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post #16 of 32
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Originally Posted by jmatt
Here's a thought: If you become known as the guy who's always got a suit and tie, you'll become the guy who gets called with "Hey - I've got a hearing in civil 12, can you cover it for me?"

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Dress like you're ready for court, and you'll end up going to court.

(Yes - I too, am a litigation attorney)

More likely, someone will ask to borrow your clothes to do the hearing themselves.

At my old firm, associates who wore suits every day seemed to be perceived as fitting one of two groups: (1) people who didn't like to wear anything else out of long habit or ease of coordination (white shirt and conservative tie every day), and (2) people who were perceived as suckups wanting to dress like the management team to help curry favor. The former group had more friends in their peer group, while the latter contained a higher percentage of future partners.
post #17 of 32
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Originally Posted by andrebaron
Needless to say, that same secretary slipped me her home phone met me that weekend at Sandpiper's in Laguna and held me hostage until Monday.

That's so awesome.

Thanks for the tip on Gary's. But I really do like Bloomingdales. I'll probably be shopping there for a while until I feel financially ready to hit up Neiman or Sak's.
post #18 of 32
Might as well hit all of them up while at Fashion Island. Then go over to Newport Tobacco, ask Richard for a nice robusto, turn the corner, , go to starbuck's and marvel at the wonders on two heels that will stroll by you.
post #19 of 32
Ugh, Starbucks.
post #20 of 32
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Originally Posted by dare-
hey, lowly 1L here, I'm interning at a federal district court this summer...any suggestions as what I should wear to me first day?


100% wear a suit. I interned in a federal court and we had to wear a suit every day. You were not allowed in the court room if you did not have a jacket and tie on.
post #21 of 32
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Originally Posted by alflauren
Note, however, that each practice group may be different. I work in litigation, and we're the most casual group in the firm by far. The business group is on the floor below us, and there, a nice shirt and tie with a sportcoat is a common outfit, but it is also the minimum. Many come in suits everyday.
Strange. In my firm, the litigation department is the most formally dressed, while the corporate department people have a visible casual Friday rule that sometimes stretches to Wednesdays.
post #22 of 32
By the way, my firm is on the east coast so things might be a lot different here than in Cali. For example, nobody at my firm would wear a Tommy B. shirt or even a polo shirt. The dress code is button shirt and pressed slacks. In fact, the dress code says that associates may wear a suit if they chose, but they are not required to.
post #23 of 32
Obviously Jovan hasn't had the pleasure of visiting fashion island at Newport--otherwise he would get it. BTW, I don't think you will making any courtroom visits as a summer associate--count on lots of memos , drafting of motions and sundry letters, and happy hours at Gulfstream or the Ritz.
post #24 of 32
I am a lawyer and have a general rule about office dressing, which is dress as the client expects their lawyer to dress. In Silicon Valley, that is often (but not always) casual. As an associate, your "client" is typically other members of the firm, since they are the ones who will decide whether to give you work. If you are willing to risk being off-putting to your clients simply for your own self-interest in dressing well (and after all, clothes are merely sewn pieces of cloth arranged on our bodies, it's not like you're taking some sort of moral stand here) then that's your prerogative. If you want my advice, find people in the firm that you like and respect and dress at the same level of causalness/formality.
post #25 of 32
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Originally Posted by andrebaron
Obviously Jovan hasn't had the pleasure of visiting fashion island at Newport--otherwise he would get it. BTW, I don't think you will making any courtroom visits as a summer associate--count on lots of memos , drafting of motions and sundry letters, and happy hours at Gulfstream or the Ritz.

Maybe this was only my experience, but I had a lot of things during the summer last year that I had to wear a suit for. I shadowed senior associates and partners to court appearances and depositions, we had lunch with judges, after-work social events at fancy places with a coat and tie dress code and other things that I can't recall right now.
post #26 of 32
Conveying a Wall St. story, which I think is similar to a large law firm. A friend interned at a major bank's trading floor, wore a custom made three peice suit the first day and has been called Capone ever since.
post #27 of 32
It shouldn't be a big deal, but at some firms your dress will be noticed. My advice would be to try and blend at first. After you've been there a few months you'll get a feel for whether you're at a place where no one will notice if you come in wearing a suit once in awhile, or whether others will take notice.

My main concern with dressing above the code would be not how the partners will view you, but how your fellow associates will view you. You might hear words like ass kisser and brown noser (as unfair as that may be). If these are people you're going to work with on a daily basis, you may want to think twice about alienating them (even if this is not your intent). At the very least you'll get the standard, "are you interviewing," "what's the occasion," etc. comments.
post #28 of 32
I would think that those comments would only last a couple of weeks, and then people would figure out that you like to dress well, and leave you alone.

Irrespective of any dress code I've ever seen, the older guys love to see the young guys in suits every single day. Many of them bemoan the change to casual dress in this profession, and would see you as an heir to their views; their view is far more important than what your classmates think.
post #29 of 32
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Originally Posted by dare-
hey, lowly 1L here, I'm interning at a federal district court this summer...any suggestions as to what I should wear the first day?

You should wear a suit the first day, then ask the judge (or the law clerks if the judge doesn't deal with externs) what to do thereafter. Some chambers require suits every day. Other chambers, particularly judges on senior status, may allow you to wear anything you want when the judge isn't around.

When I clerked, we had a "coat and tie in the courtroom" rule. If you weren't in the courtroom, you didn't need to wear (or even have) a suit coat or sport coat. I kept a navy "emergency" blazer at the office at all times, and wore a suit on days I knew I would be in the courtroom (i.e. every Monday and any day we had hearings or trials). Our externs usually, um, followed suit. Unless they didn't want to be in the courtroom during proceedings.
post #30 of 32
Agreed. He is no longer there, but he took the ridicule in stride and it sure did not harm his career there.
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