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post #1996 of 3285
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Originally Posted by embowafa View Post
I'm not saying the Lakers should have won game 4 or 5, but I agree with you that both of those games had very questionable (or bad) calls at the end that turned the tide or prevented the Lakers from making any progress.

On the other hand, Ron Artest is a piece of shit and couldn't A) make a layup or B) make 2 free throws.

yep, lakers are the better team but they're not playing like it except kobe heating up in the 3rd but others need to step up
post #1997 of 3285
^^ ultimately, lakers have themselves to blame, but if fisher violated a rule on that jump ball, then I (along with the commentary crew) was completely unaware of such a rule.

ref calls should still be mentioned though. the shot clock thing was awful considering they had a replay, and the letter of the law is that calls can only be overturned when there is incontrovertible evidence pointing the other way. No reasonable person would say that there was incontrovertible evidence that ray's shot hit the rim. Getting an extra 24 with 1 minute or so remaining is huge because up to that point, the celtics offense was stalled, and I'm sure the pressure was building seeing as how KB24 plays for the lakers.

anyways, I'm hoping lakers get some calls in game 6. i would be utterly shocked if they didnt...where I expect them to receive some calls are contested layups and shots in the paint. Example: tony allen's crazy block on pau...he actually got hand and it coulda been called a foul. But had the officials called a foul there, there could have been rioting given the sensationalism of the play. Kobe will get touch fouls when he drives to the lane as well.
post #1998 of 3285
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Originally Posted by bsyde82 View Post
^^ ultimately, lakers have themselves to blame, but if fisher violated a rule on that jump ball, then I (along with the commentary crew) was completely unaware of such a rule.

ref calls should still be mentioned though. the shot clock thing was awful considering they had a replay, and the letter of the law is that calls can only be overturned when there is incontrovertible evidence pointing the other way. No reasonable person would say that there was incontrovertible evidence that ray's shot hit the rim. Getting an extra 24 with 1 minute or so remaining is huge because up to that point, the celtics offense was stalled, and I'm sure the pressure was building seeing as how KB24 plays for the lakers.

anyways, I'm hoping lakers get some calls in game 6. i would be utterly shocked if they didnt...where I expect them to receive some calls are contested layups and shots in the paint. Example: tony allen's crazy block on pau...he actually got hand and it coulda been called a foul. But had the officials called a foul there, there could have been rioting given the sensationalism of the play. Kobe will get touch fouls when he drives to the lane as well.

isn't this what I just said? anyway, bad calls in the end were too many to list and I'm looking forward to staples
post #1999 of 3285
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Originally Posted by bsyde82 View Post
^^ ultimately, lakers have themselves to blame, but if fisher violated a rule on that jump ball, then I (along with the commentary crew) was completely unaware of such a rule.

ref calls should still be mentioned though. the shot clock thing was awful considering they had a replay, and the letter of the law is that calls can only be overturned when there is incontrovertible evidence pointing the other way. No reasonable person would say that there was incontrovertible evidence that ray's shot hit the rim. Getting an extra 24 with 1 minute or so remaining is huge because up to that point, the celtics offense was stalled, and I'm sure the pressure was building seeing as how KB24 plays for the lakers.
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Are you sure they reviewed the replay on the shot clock question? I thought they were just conferring amongst themselves while the tv audience and commentators were seeing the replay. Regardless, as far as I could tell they got it right, because on the tv replay there seemed (to me) to be a trajectory change that could only result from hitting the rim.

As far as the jump ball, I wasn't watching closely enough to notice whether Fisher violated it. But if he did, the fact that the commentators didn't notice and you weren't aware of the rule doesn't seem especially germane. Here's the rule:
Section VII-Restrictions Governing Jump Balls
a. Each jumper must have at least one foot on or inside that half of the jumping circle which is farthest from his own basket. Each jumper must have both feet with-in the restraining circle.
b. The ball must be tapped by one or both of the players participating in the jump ball after it reaches its highest point. If the ball falls to the floor without being tapped by at least one of the jumpers, the official off the ball shall whistle the ball dead and signal another toss.
c. Neither jumper may tap the tossed ball before it reaches its highest point.
d. Neither jumper may leave his half of the jumping circle until the ball has been tapped.
e. Neither jumper may catch the tossed or tapped ball until it touches one of the eight non-jumpers, the floor, the basket or the backboard.
f. Neither jumper is permitted to tap the ball more than twice on any jump ball.
g. The eight non-jumpers will remain outside the restraining circle until the ball has been tapped. Teammates may not occupy adjacent positions around the restraining circle if an opponent desires one of the positions. No player may position himself immediately behind an opponent on the restraining circle. Penalty for c., d., e., f., g.: Ball awarded out-of-bounds to the opponent.
h. Player position on the restraining circle is determined by the direction of a player's basket. The player whose basket is nearest shall have first choice of position, with position being alternated thereafter
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post #2000 of 3285
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Originally Posted by bsyde82 View Post
^^ ultimately, lakers have themselves to blame, but if fisher violated a rule on that jump ball, then I (along with the commentary crew) was completely unaware of such a rule.

RULE NO. 6-PUTTING BALL IN PLAY-LIVE/DEAD BALL

Section VII-Restrictions Governing Jump Balls
a. Each jumper must have at least one foot on or inside that half of the jumping circle which is farthest from his own basket. Each jumper must have both feet with-in the restraining circle.
b. The ball must be tapped by one or both of the players participating in the jump ball after it reaches its highest point. If the ball falls to the floor without being tapped by at least one of the jumpers, the official off the ball shall whistle the ball dead and signal another toss.
c. Neither jumper may tap the tossed ball before it reaches its highest point.
d. Neither jumper may leave his half of the jumping circle until the ball has been tapped.

Additionally, on the shot clock call, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what made that so difficult was that due to the nature of the call, they were unable to review instant replay to confirm/deny their call? It initially appeared as if shot clock violation had been called, but after a short ref conference, it was decided that it had hit the rim.
post #2001 of 3285
I've been watching NBA finals since the Blazers-Sixers series and that was one of the more exciting finals games I've ever seen.
post #2002 of 3285
think the calls have been favoring the lakers this series. other than allowing glen davis to set moving screens every other play
post #2003 of 3285
Jet, my comment was to the poster above you

re: the shot clock thing, they replayed that at least 4 times from at least 3 different angles. the original call was definitely laker ball, shot clock violation. then they reversed it. this all happened unless I was too pissed to be thinking straight.

re: the jump ball thing...is it one of those rules that never gets called unless its an egregious violation? I feel like the player who wins jump balls (at least these days) is whoever can get up quicker. I can't recall a recent jump ball where players stood until the ball reached its apex and then jumped. I see players jumping as soon as that ball leaves the ref's hand.
post #2004 of 3285
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I did notice that Fisher got to the ball before it reached the highest point on that jumpball.

And no, the 24 shot clock violation was not reviewable, they didn't look at the replay, they just discussed it. I think if none of the 3 refs were sure if it was a 24 sec violation, they should have had a jumpball, I've seen them do that before. At least it gives an equal chance to both teams since it was a not a conclusive decision.

See, a questionable call near the end of a close game is more significant than those made in the first half because it really does kill the momentum of a team especially when they are making a comeback. If it is from the first half, teams can still make adjustments and change plays and strategies. I am not blaming the whole loss to the refs but those were definitely critical calls when a team down by 13 cut that lead to 5 with 2 minutes left and if 2 of the 3 calls were given to the Lakers then the game could change drastically.

Again, the Lakers really should have capitalized on the rebounds and free throws, it is easy to say after the game, but at least those are the teams fault. If the Lakers lost, it's a game decision, not the refs.
post #2005 of 3285
the celtics were trying to lose that game, but the lakers just couldn't capitalize. calls were a part of it, but c'mon, the way artest and gasol played, they didn't deserve to win it. that said, i sure would have accepted the win if they'd handed it to us. as is, row 14 game 6 baby! i'm there again.
post #2006 of 3285
the Pierce acting job was bullshit, and so was the non-24 sec violation. but those plays (or the officials) didn't win the game for the Celtics. the Celtics won the game for the Celtics, by playing well and playing smart (i think they had 2 TO's the whole 4th Q), and finding ways to contribute even during an off game (i'm looking at Ray Allen's ghost here) the Lakers lost because no one besides Kobe did anything, and they couldn't get a fucking defensive rebound. as i said before, i'm shocked they only lost by 6
post #2007 of 3285
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post
the celtics were trying to lose that game, but the lakers just couldn't capitalize. calls were a part of it, but c'mon, the way artest and gasol played, they didn't deserve to win it. that said, i sure would have accepted the win if they'd handed it to us. as is, row 14 game 6 baby! i'm there again.

Ahhhh, you suck! I hate you! Damn TicketMaster failed me again. Couldn't get a ticket for either Game 6 or Game 7.
post #2008 of 3285
yup. and, when i look back at it, that's really 4 games straight they've been manhandled. they got some very timely shots and a couple good stops to win game 3 in boston, but they really didn't play that well. i do still think they'll find a way to pick it up. they're a great home team. i'll certainly be pulling for them.
post #2009 of 3285
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post
Are you sure they reviewed the replay on the shot clock question? I thought they were just conferring amongst themselves while the tv audience and commentators were seeing the replay. Regardless, as far as I could tell they got it right, because on the tv replay there seemed (to me) to be a trajectory change that could only result from hitting the rim.

I find it amusing that is your view of the replay. I saw ZERO trajectory change. The ball simply hit the bottom of the backboard on the other side of the rim. I was actually cursing at the commentators who took the position that it was "very close" and difficult to tell at various angles. It was clear to me as night and day from almost any camera angle that the ball did not touch the rim at all. And I would would have come out the same way if it was the Lakers who were in that position. In my mind, the ball did not hit the rim, and on slow-mo replay, it isn't even a question. I can see how in real time, however, it would have been a tough call to make.
post #2010 of 3285
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