i ordered ten pairs in winter weight, and they arrived just as i was losing my cool (about 3.5 weeks from the order). well, i've spent about a week wearing the new socks and have to say these are gonna be my go-to socks for work from now. certainly on par with my other over-the-calfs but great value at the price. they are a bit long for me, and i tend to cuff them at the knee. this hasn't been a problem, and i'm certain that any smaller a size would've been too small. also, i have tried wearing a pair after a single wash, and the length of the foot seems to have shrunk to my requirements. i'm really happy with them, and would recommend to anyone considering giving them a shot. much better value than anything i can find in a store here.