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post #31 of 41
10/6/09 at 9:20am
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No, actually not. You see, I am christian too, And your tone isn't. But, I forgive you, which seems to be so lacking in our society at large.

My "tone" isn't Christian? Somehow I am sinning against you because I point out to the world something that is preposterous and funny? I.E. Q. "Will heaven be scary?" A. "No, everything is fun an it never even gets dark." I feel no desire to defend that which I don't agree with.

I admit I am attacking certain values which some Christians believe. But give me some credit. I'm also calling myself Christian. I'm trying to show the world that in believing in the Christian God, I am at least a little different from the psychos that everyone sees on Jon Stewart and hears on Rush Limbaugh. Many non-Christians lump all self-proclaimed Christians together. By making posts like this, I hope to at least create some dissonance.

I think you need to realize that all "Christians" are not in it together. I do not respect nor associate with a great many self-proclaimed "Christians." I bet you do the same, just not on a message board.
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post #32 of 41
10/6/09 at 9:27am
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Also, fwiw, Luther wanted to create a government based solely on the Bible. This meant that he burned/drowned witches and heretics. There is an anecdote that I hope you can condemn, especially if you are a Christian.
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post #33 of 41
10/6/09 at 10:50am
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Also, fwiw, Luther wanted to create a government based solely on the Bible. This meant that he burned/drowned witches and heretics. There is an anecdote that I hope you can condemn, especially if you are a Christian.

Oh, if one wishes to find aspects of Luther's writings that should be condemned, there is much better than this.

A fairly good summary of his controversial legacy is here: http://www.luthersem.edu/word&world/...-4_Hendrix.pdf
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post #34 of 41
10/6/09 at 3:08pm
The history of the church is just that, a history of mankind falling short as it must if we accept Jesus as the only perfect man as expressed in the Trinity. And I am not free of the sin of pride when I turn on the TEEVEE and see what deep down I sense is near heresy, nor have I not been victimised by people beating on my door with tracts or blocking a sidewalk with pro life signs because they THINK the medical center offering family is secretely performing late term abortions.
But, an old teaching in Orthodoxy is 'attend to your own fasting and not of your nieghbor's.' We are so busy putting down other people it pulls us down too.
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post #35 of 41
10/6/09 at 3:44pm
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But, an old teaching in Orthodoxy is 'attend to your own fasting and not of your nieghbor's.' We are so busy putting down other people it pulls us down too.

This bit I agree with wholeheartedly.
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post #36 of 41
10/6/09 at 6:59pm
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But, an old teaching in Orthodoxy is 'attend to your own fasting and not of your nieghbor's.' We are so busy putting down other people it pulls us down too.

It is a good saying that can be taken too far. I prefer to think that there is a time for everything. I don't erupt in anger or become defensive on every single point of contention that I find. That would be exhausting. But I do choose my battles. My battle here was to show my fellows SFers that, as a Christian, I can laugh with them at some of the ridiculous things Christians believe/do/say.

You may very well feel that your faith is constantly attacked. But I have only attacked it(apparently, as you told me you are offended and forgive me) once. And I hope that maybe, just maybe, you could see your beliefs in a new perspective.
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post #37 of 41
10/6/09 at 8:06pm
O.K.- PAX already. My intent was not to attack you personally, nor did I take offense or feel the whole of Chrisendom was about to implode by your post. My point, and this media is wretched sometimes for clear communication was and is how Christianity can be hammered but woe to anyone who is so impolitic to comment on others. If western culture has, or is moving beyond christianity to secular humanism ( whatever the hell that is) I feel a rather large and vulnerable void has taken it's place.
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post #38 of 41
10/7/09 at 11:37am
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It was the reformation of Luther and Wesley that in fact opened up critical thinking that led to so much advance in the west, including ideas of freedom that have led to so many advances in all arts and disciplines.

Attributing the scientific revolution to Luther and Wesley is more than just a bit of a stretch, it's practically offensive.
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post #39 of 41
10/7/09 at 1:09pm
Ah well, I said critical thinking, which you failed to exercise in reading my sentence. Remember the old series CONNECTIONS? We invent things that lead to totally unexpected changes. I doubt Ol Luther was thinking " Now the Galileo's can advance science' while he nailed his manifesto to the door. But the reformation created an atmosphere that in fact led to inquiries not possible before.
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post #40 of 41
10/7/09 at 9:13pm
I think it's easy to look back at historical actors and criticize them for not having contemporary progressive views. That said, it is a stretch to attribute the open atmosphere to Luther, even though he may have contributed to it. There were a lot of other factors at work.
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post #41 of 41
10/8/09 at 11:37am
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I think it's easy to look back at historical actors and criticize them for not having contemporary progressive views. That said, it is a stretch to attribute the open atmosphere to Luther, even though he may have contributed to it. There were a lot of other factors at work.

You're right, I'm being too harsh on the historical actors like Luther. I am asking too much when I insist that our Christian predecessors should not have murdered, tortured and deprived people of intellectual, religious and physical freedom. These, afterall, are "contemporary progressive views."
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