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post #76 of 240
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Originally Posted by von Rothbart
Are you serious??!! WTF??!! Why do we want to excoriate someone who shared information with us on where to get good deals? Isn't this forum all about? While you are at it, why don't you shut down all "sales alert" posts.
It's not the same - this could've potentially ruined all the hard work Andrew and Gabor put into convincing BG to stock Vass shoes. We don't know what kind of deal's been struck with BG, but I imagine they wouldn't be too impressed if they found out about this, and it might've had implications for the presence of Vass in the US in the future too.

And perhaps I'm being naive here, but is it not possible that the German retailer is being compensated for not being able to sell to the US?
post #77 of 240
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the only voices we are those of re-distributors

We are agents, nobody asked you to give us a new title.

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They don't own Vass and shouldn't represent themselves as spokespeople for the Brand when their interest clearly lies on this being decided in a cerain way.

We’ve never represented ourselves as owning Vass. But we do speak for the brand here in the US. And I might point out that your interest lies in it being decided in another way, thus this argument.

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The question is the large price discrepancy between the two markets and the decision to clamp down on the seller that was shipping to the US. It is hard to not take that as a diss if you are an American customer, knowing that the same shoes are sold for a lot less in Europe.

First of all, the prices of the German retailer and of Bergdorf are oft-misquoted in these threads. The difference is not quite as large as it is being depicted. Second, it is not a “diss”, it is just a matter of geographic location, as pointed out in JBZ’s example of the Alden shoes.

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There is a dirty component to this story and it is seriously pathetic and hypocritical to deny that.

There is nothing dirty about Vass making a decision as to how their shoes are to be distributed. As has been pointed in detail already.

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The one thing i don't get is why they would care where we buy the shoe from? We are buying the shoe and unless their wholesale prices changes and the are gouging retailers here and making more on the wholesale end it shouldn't matter. Its still one pair of shoes when it comes down to it and its the retailers choice to sell it for what it is. Sorry if i'm being unarticulate but a week of writting papers with another to go with very little sleep has seriously deprived me of thinking clearly. I think an example would suffice

If a vass whole sale cost for BG was 538 at a 2.6 markup would be around $1400 retail

But my question is BG getting the same wholesale price say as the german retailers selling for $550 retail at a wholesale cost of $220 most likely.

My idea is that if BG is getting them at the same price as the german retailers why would vass care who makes the sale? They are both buying a pair of shoes and then they have sold them. What difference does it make because BG is making more money the money goes to them not Vass.

You’re speculating, and you’re WAY off. But I forgive you Read the AAAC thread for more detail

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Ah, you've hit on the rub of it. The German store places order and buys directly from Vass with no middleman or wholesaler mark-up. Bergdorf buys from Gabor/Andrew, Vass wholesalers/middlemen, and therefore their cost includes Vass's fee plus the wholesalers additional charge. Bergdorf's standard markup amount may also be more than the German store's which could also contribute to the higher pricing.

You seem to understand this pretty well. Why then can you not see that your arguments carry the implication that the work Gabor and Bergdorf do to sell Vass in the US is of no value??



Anyways, I feel like a bit of an attention-whore after that outburst last night. Thanks for the support guys. I took a deep breath, counted to three and all that jive, and feel better now. Tiger02 is right, I was mostly reacting to comments on AAAC, though there have been a few zingers here too.
post #78 of 240
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Originally Posted by A Harris
We are agents, nobody asked you to give us a new title.



We've never represented ourselves as owning Vass. But we do speak for the brand here in the US. And I might point out that your interest lies in it being decided in another way, thus this argument.



First of all, the prices of the German retailer and of Bergdorf are oft-misquoted in these threads. The difference is not quite as large as it is being depicted. Second, it is not a "diss", it is just a matter of geographic location, as pointed out in JBZ's example of the Alden shoes.



There is nothing dirty about Vass making a decision as to how their shoes are to be distributed. As has been pointed in detail already.



You're speculating, and you're WAY off. But I forgive you Read the AAAC thread for more detail



You seem to understand this pretty well. Why then can you not see that your arguments carry the implication that the work Gabor and Bergdorf do to sell Vass in the US is of no value??



Anyways, I feel like a bit of an attention-whore after that outburst last night. Thanks for the support guys. I took a deep breath, counted to three and all that jive, and feel better now. Tiger02 is right, I was mostly reacting to comments on AAAC, though there have been a few zingers here too.


Mr. Harris I just want to thank you for taking your time to answer the many questions and accusations that we have thrown your way. You obviously did not have to. I still hold my position and feel that Vass is wronging it's US customers, or at least those that read these message boards and I have not read anything that has made me change my mind nor anything that would make me reconsider purchasing Vass shoes here in the US. That being said, we are all adults and I find your posts on the subject of shoes very informative and hope to see you posting still and I do wish your endeavor with BG good luck and I also hope that we can simply agree to disagree.
post #79 of 240
okay. i think a lot things thrown the way of the 2 gentlemen that are connected with vass was unfair. i understand the seeming frustration of the situation if one wishes to buy a pair, but words like "greedy" and such that were said were most unfortunate. we are supposed to be gentlemen in here right?

bottomline: that is the retail price they want. fine. let us respect their decision. i'm sure if its possible to price a vass in the price range of say, cole haan, they would do it and earn a hefty profit. but they cant, or they don't want to. they'll respect me anyway if i opt to pass on and buy myself another brand.
post #80 of 240
I think you are right that greedy is definitely a mischaracterization. I also think that implying that Gabor and Andrew have done something unethical is also incorrect and unfair.

I do, however, think that there is a valid criticism in all of this and it is not that forum members do not value what the the Vass reps have done but rather that the Vass reps do not reps do not value what the forum has done for the brand they promote.

If you google 'vass shoes' of the first 10 links that come up, most are to fashion forums (or the sites of forum participants), the other being the company's official website and an Amazon listing for Vass's book. To the extent that their is much buzz about the brand in the US, I think that a significant proportion of that is attributable to these forums. It is also important to note that there is a palpable sense in these communities that a product is worth a look or a second look if it produced by one of our own.

Right now, knowledge of and interest in the German store that sells Vass is limited to the forums that have, in part through their collective goodwill, promoted the brand here in the States.

Given that there are some simple arrangements that could be struck to allow Andrew and Gabor to be paid for the work which they have done (at a rate that they themselves could set), taking action to not allow people to purchase the shoes at the european price or something similar thereto may well constitute an underappreciation of the free publicity they have achieved on these forums.
post #81 of 240
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Originally Posted by A Harris



Anyways, I feel like a bit of an attention-whore after that outburst last night.

I was a bit shocked that you and your partner chose to respond to the AAAC thread. Gabor's unsolicited response served no good purpose but to ignite a senseless firestorm. Any decent PR/lawyer would have advised you to keep it zipped. Now it's a matter of damage control.
post #82 of 240
Don't let's forget, what we now think of as the "Vass website" is entirely the work of Gabor and Andrew:
www.vass-shoes.com

Vass used to have a Hungarian site, dull as dishwater and deeply rooted in communist design aesthetic. They've stopped that one after the attractive American site was up and the German distributor's site is no great shakes either.

Thanks, Gabor and Andrew, for a lovely bit of shoe-porn.
post #83 of 240
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Originally Posted by Steve B.
Why hasn't anyone excoriated the blabbermouth who mentioned the German store in the first place?

You got to be kidding. Pardon my French, but this is one fucked up statement. You are losing it.

Why on earth would we excoriate someone who informed us of a good deal?
post #84 of 240
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Originally Posted by bengal-stripe
Don’t let’s forget, what we now think of as the “Vass website” is entirely the work of Gabor and Andrew:
www.vass-shoes.com

Vass used to have a Hungarian site, dull as dishwater and deeply rooted in communist design aesthetic. They’ve stopped that one after the attractive American site was up and the German distributor's site is no great shakes either.

Thanks, Gabor and Andrew, for a lovely bit of shoe-porn.


the Hungarian website still exists but there's really no useful info there http://www.vass-cipo.hu/
post #85 of 240
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Originally Posted by Tomasso
I was a bit shocked that you and your partner chose to respond to the AAAC thread. Gabor's unsolicited response served no good purpose but to ignite a senseless firestorm. Any decent PR/lawyer would have advised you to keep it zipped. Now it's a matter of damage control.

That's one thing I don't understand why Gabor needed to make that announcement at AAAC.

If the German "problem" has been dealt with behind the scene and that the German shop stopped further shipments to the US, end of story, why was it necessary for Gabor to post and create a maelstrom?
post #86 of 240
Some people were calling them out and demanding a response. Might not have been the wisest decision but understandable.
post #87 of 240
I have another german retailer who is willing to ship to the US for around $550 a shoe with trees. I'll put up the link later and the email he sent me.
post #88 of 240
Thanks, blabbermouth
post #89 of 240
Dudes, anyone who is accusing Halmos Gabor and Andrew about "monopolies" and "greed" apparently don't realize how distributorships work. I mean, I bitch and complain about Stateside Nudie prices, (and can't afford them) so I get my brother to bring me the occasional pair when he is visiting from the UK, but the distributor is just trying to make a living too. I'm not even going to get into different marketing strategies in different markets.
post #90 of 240
The only people lighting a fire on this are those who don't seem to believe that a great number of companies do this to protect their distributors and sellers.
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