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post #151 of 240
I'd like to renew my concern - what happens to the other 5 billion (and change) citizens of the world who *aren't* American, but might like to get their hands on these shoes? If online sellers are to be shut down to prevent them from shipping stateside, does this not interfere also with locations where there's no retailer at all?

We're hurting down in Australia, as far as I know, there's one C&J retailer, one Santoni retailer (albeit one given to great discounts), and that's *it*.
post #152 of 240
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Originally Posted by The False Prophet
I'd like to renew my concern - what happens to the other 5 billion (and change) citizens of the world who *aren't* American, but might like to get their hands on these shoes? If online sellers are to be shut down to prevent them from shipping stateside, does this not interfere also with locations where there's no retailer at all?

We're hurting down in Australia, as far as I know, there's one C&J retailer, one Santoni retailer (albeit one given to great discounts), and that's *it*.
Have you tried getting in touch with the Germany guy? Since there's no retail presence in Australia, you should still be good to order.

Has anyone ever tried to watch a football game, but it was blacked out? Yeah, that sucks.
post #153 of 240
Okay guys, I am going to merge the two Vass threads. I am happy if you guys keep the topic derailed and talk about globalization, brand marketing, or whatever, but if there are any personal attacks directed towards anyone, I am locking it down. Let me make this absolutely clear - no one is to impugn on the personal integrity of anyone else. That would constitute an ad hominem attack. And "No ad hominem attacks" is one of the few rules on the forum. I may also change the title of the thread somewhat to reflect the various subjects being discussed on it. Fok.
post #154 of 240
Two thoughts:

1. As a Democrat, I'm thrilled there are so many rich people who appear to have both a visceral dislike of business and a latent streak of populism; maybe we'll win the presidency yet!

2. Gabor and Harris are great guys who have a great, unique product. They have added value to that product and have an absolute right to protect that value. If you don't understand that, I can't help you. Without them, Vass would be like St. Crispin's; a great shoe for the 10 people who have ever heard of them, and available once a year from a guy in Austria, size 9.

I have a pair of sample Vass from Harris: they have whetted my appetite for more. To that end, I went to Gabor's trunk show at Bergdorf last month. He and the BG shoe staff are wonderful - they add value - and they deserve and will get my business through BG.

If things go the way of the nay-sayers, someday BG will only carry Allen Edmonds, and everyone will complain about how things were so much better in the old days, when BG carried Vass.
post #155 of 240
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post #156 of 240
This thread is a ridiculous combination of greedy crybabies that should be locked. I'm rather ashamed of most of the behavior here, as well as the lack of understanding how the luxury-goods distribution market works.
post #157 of 240
A Harris & Gabor work hard to introduce Vass into the US market and they need and deserve to be compensated for their hard work. If it's not for AH & Gabor's effort, how many of you would have heard of Vass? Calling them greedy is totally unfair.

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Originally Posted by Art Vandelay
This forum hits a new low when a moderator incited other members to launch an attack, in two different forums, at another member who has done a great service and is a great contributor to this forum.

Steve B, can you explain to us why we should excoriate this "blabbermouth"? Can you provide us guidelines on what and when is NOT ok to inform fellow forum members of a store with great deals?

However, my biggest objection of this whole ordeal is for a moderator beating down a valuable member who did precisely what this forum is all about, by sharing valuable information. That moderator's action made the whole situation worse. And edited members' posts who objected to his behavior made it even worse.
post #158 of 240
Many would have heard about Vass from Roetzel's book. I like the shoes, and live in Europe so I can get them from the source, baby
post #159 of 240
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Originally Posted by mussel
However, my biggest objection of this whole ordeal is for a moderator beating down a valuable member who did precisely what this forum is all about, by sharing valuable information. That moderator's action made the whole situation worse. And edited members' posts who objected to his behavior made it even worse.
You must've never seen Steve in action in the Current Events Forum
post #160 of 240
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Originally Posted by Teacher
This thread is a ridiculous combination of greedy crybabies that should be locked. I'm rather ashamed of most of the behavior here, as well as the lack of understanding how the luxury-goods distribution market works.


Agreed... this is by far the ugliest thread I've ever seen on the forum since we started. AHariss and Gabor are great guys that only have good intentions, and for them to be badmouthed here like I've been reading is just shameful. If anything, they've been extremely generous in letting us get first crack at discounted samples, and very responsive to all of our questions.
post #161 of 240
Obviously the StyleForum is largely a population of deal seekers. How many of us regularily pay full retail for high-end labels such as Kiton?

We aren't Bergdorf's target market at all. For the most part, we are the sorts that shop the end of season clearance sales at BG and similar stores (note that I am making a generalization, as I'm sure several members here can afford to shop at full retail).

In an opposite vein, BG's target customer - the man who can walk in and purchase a few pairs of shoes at $1400 and not really think much about it - isn't going to spend their time scouring internet forums looking for deals, then spend several hours contacting various sources to track down the specific shoes he wants.

Two unrelated markets, as I see it.

I have no personal interest in this discussion at all, I'm not taking anyone's side, and I highly doubt I would ever consider purchasing a pair of Vass shoes. I just wanted to bring up a point for consideration.
post #162 of 240
Somebody should change the title of the thread to "frustrated yuppies foaming at the mouth". I might look like I'm trying to insult you but I just wanted to mention that with the quite high level of respect I see on discussions concerning important subjects, like the war in Irak, I'm appalled to see how ad hominem attacks fly once we're discussing deals on shoes. Just look at how Tiger02 is actually involved in a very complex and surely highly emotional situation over there and manages to answer in measured, respectful tones when challenged on his beliefs and what he dedicates his life to. Maybe we could all learn a little from that...
post #163 of 240
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Originally Posted by VersaceMan
Obviously the StyleForum is largely a population of deal seekers. How many of us regularily pay full retail for high-end labels such as Kiton?

We aren't Bergdorf's target market at all. For the most part, we are the sorts that shop the end of season clearance sales at BG and similar stores (note that I am making a generalization, as I'm sure several members here can afford to shop at full retail).

In an opposite vein, BG's target customer - the man who can walk in and purchase a few pairs of shoes at $1400 and not really think much about it - isn't going to spend their time scouring internet forums looking for deals, then spend several hours contacting various sources to track down the specific shoes he wants.

Two unrelated markets, as I see it.

I have no personal interest in this discussion at all, I'm not taking anyone's side, and I highly doubt I would ever consider purchasing a pair of Vass shoes. I just wanted to bring up a point for consideration.

I have no personal interest in this discussion at all either (because I would never dish out $550 or $1500 for Vass shoes), but what you are saying is not entirely accurate. By allowing an influx of the same shoe at cheaper prices it lowers the market value of the Vass shoe bought from BG once it is in the hands of the buyer. In other words, once it is discovered that the shoe is not as exclusive as the buyer thought it would be at $1500 because others are wearing the same shoe at $550, he loses the value he and other in the marketplace placed on that exclusivity. People buy $1500 shoes because they value the fact that not many other people out there will be wearing the same shoes, but when he shows up at the office and some guy is wearing the same shoes because he was able to afford them at $550, the value to the BG buyer is lessened.
post #164 of 240
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Originally Posted by odoreater
I have no personal interest in this discussion at all either (because I would never dish out $550 or $1500 for Vass shoes), but what you are saying is not entirely accurate. By allowing an influx of the same shoe at cheaper prices it lowers the market value of the Vass shoe bought from BG once it is in the hands of the buyer. In other words, once it is discovered that the shoe is not as exclusive as the buyer thought it would be at $1500 because others are wearing the same shoe at $550, he loses the value he and other in the marketplace placed on that exclusivity. People buy $1500 shoes because they value the fact that not many other people out there will be wearing the same shoes, but when he shows up at the office and some guy is wearing the same shoes because he was able to afford them at $550, the value to the BG buyer is lessened.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that the majority of consumers didn't know about the deal w/ the German seller. It was only the SF types that did, and the majority of us aren't going to be purchasing $1400 shoes at full retail, thus there isn't too much direct overlap in the market.

We are the types that will always find some way to purchase an item of clothing for a fairly considerable discount. I'm not sure exactly the point I was trying to make (or if I'm making sense - rough night last night), but there's dozens of debatable points within this single topic. Truth be told, if we all have time to argue about $1400 shoes on the internet, perhaps we need to take a step back and look at what is important.

I do hear what you are saying about the lower prices potentially damaging the brand image - always an important consideration when planning a marketing strategy.
post #165 of 240
All arguments aside here, given the quality of the product Vass produces, do any of you really think they are worth as little as $550? Name me one other maker that charges this price for a comprable product.

Vass at $550 was an anomoly, sort of like Jantzen at $40.
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