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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Dear fellow members,


as I´ve learned during the last couple of days there seems to be quite a demand for Laszlo Vass shoes around here. I understand that distribution in the US is limited to NYC only, at prices many members are either not willing or simply not able to pay. A smooth way to overcome the stated obstacles for some time has been contacting a German distributor, who would deliver the shoes to the US has been obstructed in the meantime.
As I live in Germany and my place is just around the corner of a shop that carries Laszlo Vass and shoes of equally or more famous brands it would be no problem for me to get you the model you are looking for. Getting hold of a U - last shouldn´t be difficult, either.
Please note that I´m not planning to make a living out of this, but want to offer a substitute for the options that are lost. This said it might be helpful if I gave you a general idea about the prices. I can offer you Vass shoes that are kept on stock here for approx. US$ 510 incl. VAT + shipping. The U - last should be available by the means of special order, but don´t nail me down abou the prices here, because I could not find any time to find out, yet. All I can say is that they probably would not me significantly higher and in every case significantly lower than those of Bergdorf Goodman´s.
If that sounds intriguing to you, just drop me a line via pm so we can discuss the details.
I could also cater for other brands that are a more economically priced here than in other countries, e.g.

- Ludwig Reiter
- Heinrich Dinkelacker
- Alt Wien
- Santoni
- Saint Crispin´s.

Sometimes bargains can be found on John Lobb´s and Edward Greens, too, but to be very honest chances are low that I can find exactly what you require, so I leave that to the very trustable sellers on ebay which I suppose you all know of and who are able to cater for your English shoe cravings better than I ever could.

Best regards from Germany

ccffm1
post #2 of 19
Dude, do you really think you're helping the situation here?
post #3 of 19
What ever happened to Schumann in Vienna? They ship shoes to the USA and sell Vass. I can't find them on the net anymore, I am not sure why, and I forgot their web address.
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tiger02
Dude, do you really think you're helping the situation here?

As stated, my primary goal is not to help "the situation here", as an abstract virtue, but some members who are interested in buying Vass shoes at pleasant conditions and I truly believe this is perfectly decent a venture. Everybody who disagrees is free to buy from Bergdorf´s.
post #5 of 19
There are abstract virtues, and there are virtues that allow for harmonious participation on a privately held forum. This is an awfully confrontational move that could have been handled much more delicately in private.
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by tiger02
There are abstract virtues, and there are virtues that allow for harmonious participation on a privately held forum. This is an awfully confrontational move that could have been handled much more delicately in private.
And just how could ccffm1 have done this in private? Send a PM to every member of SF? What we have here is a clash between two forces--(a) those who see the situation through the eyes of those making (a part of) a living by selling Vass in North America, along with, perhaps, those on the forum who also sell other goods and are therefore sympathetic, and (b) those who wish to be able to purchase first-rate shoes as reasonably as possible, and whose orientation is towards their own wellbeing, rather than building a Vass presence in North America. Just exactly what do you see as "harmonious participation on a privately-held forum"? Not taking a strong stand? Not providing a solution when one exists--albeit one that will satisfy only one of the two groups noted above, and evidently the one with which you have no sympathy? And, tiger02, just how can one go about "helping the situation here"? There is a fundamental disagreement in play with this issue, and, it would seem, your idea of "helping the situation" is to support those who see the shutting down of the German seller as appropriate. That would certainly "help the situation" for that group, but obviously not for the other. The actions that have taken place in restricting the German seller are not illegal, but neither are ccffm1's. It's hard to see the latter as any more confrontational than the former. You know, harmony is nice (what a cliche!), but is not the fundamental value governing "privately-held" forums like SF, and sometimes an open, frank airing of differences in opinions and values accomplishes far more than somehow trying to keep everyone in agreement. And members who suggest solutions to problems identified on the forum are welcome to do so, whether you like their solution or not!
post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 
@tiger02

Hasn´t it ever occured to you that every thread going like "RLPL EG on ebay" will diminish the likelihood that a prospective buyer will get them from distributor XY, who might be a member around here?
All your remarks still remain a bit on the blurry side. I had always thought that the buying and selling kind of sub - fora have been established to make other members aware of a bargain that might be denied to them otherwise. They then can decide whether they would like to participate or not.
As I stated before and will not mention again ever after my primary goal was to cater to those who might not be able to get in touch with quality goods. The fact that I already had some inquieries gives proof that my efforts might be appreciated. As I´m not planning to make a living out of this it should have become evident by now that my purpose is not to inflict harm to any particular member.
On the other hand I don´t feel obliged to act like a pleaser. I can only try to fulfil the commendable wishes of what I regard to be the vast majority, even if I run the risk of treading someone´s toes (no pun intended here) who might feel deprived by my endeavors.
post #8 of 19
*sigh*

If you look through the archives it will quickly become clear that I do not advocate “not taking a strong stand” and ALL my remarks on the matter are hardly “blurry.” How could it have been done in private? I think it’s pretty obvious who has been most vocal about their personal loss at not being able to order from Germany.

What I do advocate is not sticking a finger in the eye of fellow forum members and not riling up already treacherous waters. Hell, I’m no lawyer so I’m not even willing to concede that this is a perfectly legal offer. One might construe ccffm1 as setting up an illegal distribution network. I’ll defer to a business lawyer on that question, but for one example Apple Computers (stay out Slim ) has sent out cease and desist letters for less.

You can see a clash of civilizations all you want, but it’s pretty clear that the German seller does not believe it would be in his best business interests to sell to North America. You know all of the factors, and the law, better than he does? Better than the man whose shoes you are going to distribute without license? Better than the distributors who own distribution rights in the region you plan to pirate? I don’t doubt that you (ccffm1) think that you are being humanistic and defending the rights of other forum members but there are pretty strong counter indicators that you might want to look in to.

I hope weather in Germany is treating you well. I wish I were back there right now.
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 
I feel there still is a difference between the official German source and me. I can see how Vass could dictate the rules to the former, but I believe for several reasons it might be more difficult for them doing the same with me.
And what is far more important, I think that in the end it wouldn´t be worth bothering for them, as most people buying the shoes from BG´s either have no clue about SF and AAAC or don´t flinch from spending whatever it takes. All the others would not be able to afford these sums anyway, so nothing´s lost here.
As long as I keep it noncommercial, there shouldn´t be any issues. But let´s just wait and see.
BTW, I don´t know where you are right now, but in the moment it is raining cats and dogs over here.
Regards from a fellow Palatinate,

ccffm1
post #10 of 19
Vass cannot stop arbitrage between the markets by private individuals, period. Well, I suppose they could, if they required their distributers to check every customer to make sure that they are buying shoes that are their size. But how ridiculous can you get?
post #11 of 19
I suspect that Vass isn't that worried about it.
post #12 of 19
Out of curiosity, how is the pricing on St. Crispin's over there?
post #13 of 19
dah he'll enquire at the store.
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by tiger02
*sigh*How could it have been done in private? I think it's pretty obvious who has been most vocal about their personal loss at not being able to order from Germany.
*Sigh* indeed (it's frustrating isn't it, tiger02, not to have everyone else see things the way you do!). Well, that's not going to cut it is it? What about all the other forumers who feel similarly disadvantaged by this action, but who haven't posted, for one reason or another, on this thread?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tiger02
What I do advocate is not sticking a finger in the eye of fellow forum members and not riling up already treacherous waters.
But it's fine to "stick a finger in the eye of a fellow forum member" who proposes a solution we don't like.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tiger02
You can see a clash of civilizations all you want, but it's pretty clear that the German seller does not believe it would be in his best business interests to sell to North America.
Well, nobody is portraying this as quite as titanic as a "clash of civilizations"--rather a clash of viewpoints each based on self-interest. At this point we don't know just what the German seller believes, nor do we know for sure exactly what actions were taken by the NA representatives. What he may believe, however, has no bearing on the topic in this thread. Ccffm1 has nowhere indicated that he thinks that he knows "all the factors, and the law, better than he [the German seller] does." He is simply suggesting the provision of an alternative solution to a problem vexing a number of forumers. And I have no doubt that he either already has or will ensure that no laws would be broken by such an arrangement.
post #15 of 19
*sigh*

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