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post #16 of 53
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Originally Posted by jeff13007 View Post
Yeah but i think he said this was for investment banking so their dress code would be a bit more formal

No, it's not. I'm no longer an investment banker - I moved to the principal side a while back - but I know those guys at UBS. Wall Street is nearly universally business casual now -- Lehman and Bear were the only exceptions (and look what happened to them...)

Whereof one does not know, thereof one must remain silent. (apologies to Wittgenstein)

To the OP, again: unless you know exactly what you're doing (and why), conformity should *always* be your default clothing option in a Wall Street work setting. If the dress code says "smart casual", dress smart casual.
post #17 of 53
i never said he should wear a suit and tie i just said i banking would have a more formal dress code than other branches, like you said wall street is universally business casual which in my opinion is a step up from smart casual i.e dress pants rather than khakis and a casual button down as opposed to a dress shirt. But you are right in saying he should just stick with the dress code so as to not stand out too much wouldnt want everybody in a button down and khakis and him in a 3 piece
post #18 of 53
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Originally Posted by Sanddog View Post
Nothing will attract more negative attention than being overdressed.

Oh? I suspect he may be able to get away with it for years before anyone notices.
post #19 of 53
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Originally Posted by Sanddog View Post
No, it's not. I'm no longer an investment banker - I moved to the principal side a while back - but I know those guys at UBS. Wall Street is nearly universally business casual now -- Lehman and Bear were the only exceptions (and look what happened to them...)

Whereof one does not know, thereof one must remain silent. (apologies to Wittgenstein)

To the OP, again: unless you know exactly what you're doing (and why), conformity should *always* be your default clothing option in a Wall Street work setting. If the dress code says "smart casual", dress smart casual.

I stand corrected. Previous advice retracted.
post #20 of 53
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Originally Posted by Sanddog View Post
No, it's not. I'm no longer an investment banker - I moved to the principal side a while back - but I know those guys at UBS. Wall Street is nearly universally business casual now -- Lehman and Bear were the only exceptions (and look what happened to them...)

Whereof one does not know, thereof one must remain silent. (apologies to Wittgenstein)

To the OP, again: unless you know exactly what you're doing (and why), conformity should *always* be your default clothing option in a Wall Street work setting. If the dress code says "smart casual", dress smart casual.

The OP sounds like he is from London (ie. first year) and from not NYC. The dress code across the pond is always more formal. For this meeting, I would go with business formal (suit and tie).

Also, your faculty should be responsible for issuing a dress code for this event.

Good luck and don't forget to shine your shoes.
post #21 of 53
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Originally Posted by MHH89 View Post
The OP sounds like he is from London (ie. first year) and from not NYC. The dress code across the pond is always more formal. For this meeting, I would go with business formal (suit and tie).

Also, your faculty should be responsible for issuing a dress code for this event.

Good luck and don't forget to shine your shoes.

They did issue him a dress code. It was Smart Casual
post #22 of 53
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Originally Posted by MHH89 View Post
The OP sounds like he is from London (ie. first year) and from not NYC. The dress code across the pond is always more formal. For this meeting, I would go with business formal (suit and tie).

Also, your faculty should be responsible for issuing a dress code for this event.

Good luck and don't forget to shine your shoes.

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Originally Posted by fender06 View Post
i'm a year 1 student and will our faculty has organized a visit to UBS(the investment bank) on coming monday, this dress code is "smart casual", so are jeans+shirt+sneaker ok??

Reading is FUNdamental.

Don't make me badly paraphrase Wittgenstein again. To be blunt, if you don't have some firsthand knowledge of the finance industry culture, you should probably stay out of this thread. Work dress codes are different than the traditional rules, and whether one likes it or not, it's more valuable to a career to fit in with the work environment than it is to adhere to the rules of traditional dress. (At least *before* you're hired. ) Anything else is self-indulgent and counterproductive.
post #23 of 53
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Originally Posted by jeff13007 View Post
They did issue him a dress code. It was Smart Casual


Smart causal is a loose bs term.

When I was in college, we always wore suits to meetings and or information sessions with a prospective employer. We sure as hell would never dress in business smart and look like we were headed to a poetry jam.

Wear the suit and tie; you can always take off the tie. Remember you only have one chance to make a first impression.
post #24 of 53
Dockers + Crocs + pocketprotector in poly non iron shirt....
post #25 of 53
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Originally Posted by Sanddog View Post
Wrong. The corporate dress code at UBS is business casual. As someone who works in finance, it's important to understand that superficial conformity is key. Nothing will attract more negative attention than being overdressed. It looks like you're trying too hard, or that you think you're better than everybody else.

+1

I would strongly advise against wearing a suit and tie - it looks like you haven't read the dress code, you will attract attention to yourself (not in a good way) and will likely end up feeling uncomfortable as a result.

As a number of posters have indicated, for a visit of the nature you describe, khakis/smart trousers, a smart shirt (button down or otherwise ) and leather shoes will be fine. A sports coat would also be okay, but not the end of the world if you don't have one.
post #26 of 53
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Originally Posted by Sanddog View Post
Reading is FUNdamental.

Don't make me badly paraphrase Wittgenstein again. To be blunt, if you don't have some firsthand knowledge of the finance industry culture, you should probably stay out of this thread. Work dress codes are different than the traditional rules, and whether one likes it or not, it's more valuable to a career to fit in with the work environment than it is to adhere to the rules of traditional dress. (At least *before* you're hired. ) Anything else is self-indulgent and counterproductive.


Trust me, I have first hand knowledge of the specific dress codes in the finance industry.

I am sure his class will be meeting with an MD and a few analysts who will all be in suits. His class is not going on a tour of the back office.
post #27 of 53
Thread Starter 
how about dressing like this guy?
post #28 of 53
I would honestly just ask the faculty member in charge of this meeting what to wear.
post #29 of 53
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Originally Posted by MHH89 View Post
Smart causal is a loose bs term.

When I was in college, we always wore suits to meetings and or information sessions with a prospective employer. We sure as hell would never dress in business smart and look like we were headed to a poetry jam.

Wear the suit and tie; you can always take off the tie. Remember you only have one chance to make a first impression.

How long ago were you in college? Business dress has changed a lot in the last 10 years. I invest in companies all over the US and Europe and I find that the only people who always wear suits are the lawyers. Had a face to face meeting with the CEO of a 6BN French company (also: former Finance Minister for France) last week and he wasn't wearing a tie. I was, and he teased me about it.

If the dress code says smart casual, I presume it means smart casual. Why would anyone suggest that the OP should wear something other than what the event description specifically indicates? The question here is simply what that term means. And to that point, it's not that loose a term: creased wool pants, button up shirt, sports coat, thin-leather soled lace-up shoes will be right down the middle of the fairway.
post #30 of 53
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post
I find this absolutely amazing. Maybe because I had to wear blazers throughout high school but if you are going into a professional environment as a guest and are told smart casual, how do you arrive at jeans+shirt+sneaker? What is dress down for you?

He doesn't know which is why he asked the forum. If you want to crucify him for even having the thought . . . I guess you're entitled.

What is dress-down for a 1st year uni. student? We can probably imagine
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