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post #46 of 57
6/11/11 at 11:07am
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post
Yup. We're on a downward spiral. Ordered an $80 bottle of wine at dinner a few weeks ago and the fucking waiter twisted the top off. I didn't want to be a prick and send it back but I felt like funneling it into the managers ass for listing it. I used to work as a wine steward in college and would have never added something like that to the list. Point being cork / made in China, people wonder difference it makes... it does. You're now paying for the name, not the cost of production. You're basically getting ripped off.
I did find this article in the China Daily interesting. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_11377814.htm 'Made in Italy' has prestige in China. Which basically boils down to affluent Chinese people paying high prices for western designer luxury brands, they expect to see things like 'Made in Italy' and 'Made in England' on the labels.
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post #47 of 57
6/11/11 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by Sanguis Mortuum View Post
This. It's what's in the bottle that matters, not how it was sealed. It's like buying a bespoke suit then saying it must be crap because it came on a plastic hanger, rather than judging the merits of the actual suit itself.

Ok then, so why does where something is made matter????
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post #48 of 57
6/11/11 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
ummmm, i think your point means the exact opposite of what you're trying to say. using corks costs more. using screw tops is more cost effective. brands which use corks are more worried about the marketing associated with them, therefore you're more likely to be paying for the name with a bottle using a cork. Not that it matters. Wine is equal parts science, art and marketing. Debating whether you're enjoying the marketing or the production is irrelevant as long as you're enjoying the wine.
Actually, screw tops are not useful for wines that require long term aging so only get used for wines that need to be consumed young. I'm not trying to sound pompous, but in reality screw tops are associated with wine-o's and Muskatelle. When you are entertaining a group on business it really looks like shit to have a waiter unscrew a bottle top. You may pretend it doesn't matter but if you were the host, like I was, the way you are perceived does matter. Many may understand this stupid shit is a trend, but others may not know and may perceive you as a cheap ass serving the table swill. Stuff like this can be the difference between a deal and no deal. Lastly, if you had 2 bottles in front of you, hidden labels, and one was a real cork and the other a screw top, which would you think is better? Of course, the cork. Same as if you saw a label that said made in England and made in China. Dont hang me for telling the truth, perception is reality, especially in business.
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post #49 of 57
6/11/11 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by Sanguis Mortuum View Post
This. It's what's in the bottle that matters, not how it was sealed. It's like buying a bespoke suit then saying it must be crap because it came on a plastic hanger, rather than judging the merits of the actual suit itself.
TBH I would be rather disappointed. It's not just the suit, it's about the service and how it's presented, that's partly what you're paying for. If I paid money for an nice expensive bespoke suit, it should come a cedar hangar.
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post #50 of 57
6/11/11 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post
Ok then, so why does where something is made matter????

It doesn't. It only matters in so much as it can be an indicator of quality. A lot of stuff made in China may be low quality, but that doesn't mean everything made in China is crap.

If you're buying online and you can't properly inspect the item, then it being 'made in China' may suggest that you're better off avoiding it, but if you're buying in person you should be able to perform an objective appraisal of the quality yourself instead of just dismissing it based on where it's made. In the case of wine you should be able to judge the wine based on it's taste rather than on anything else; if you're not capable of that then you certainly aren't capable of telling the difference in taste between a screw-top and a cork-sealed bottle. And if you can't tell the difference in the taste, why the hell does it matter which was used?
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post #51 of 57
6/11/11 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by spertia View Post
I was just wondering about that. I've seen some nice-looking, classic Margiela jackets on the bay and wondered about the quality. Any idea if their tailored jackets are typically fused?

I have 2 Margiela jackets. Very nice fit and fabric, but definately fused. One bubbled after the drycleaner ruined it
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post #52 of 57
6/11/11 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by Sanguis Mortuum View Post
It doesn't. It only matters in so much as it can be an indicator of quality. A lot of stuff made in China may be low quality, but that doesn't mean everything made in China is crap.
Nah.. just most things. In fact some products made in China are just so awful, they're not even fit or safe for export. I wonder how many less suits Brioni or Kiton would sell if they all had 'Made in China' on the labels instead of 'Made in Italy', and how much it could hurt their image and perception of quality? Even Chinese people can be quite choosy about where their expensive luxury products come from.
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Originally Posted by Sanguis Mortuum View Post
If you're buying online and you can't properly inspect the item, then it being 'made in China' may suggest that you're better off avoiding it, but if you're buying in person you should be able to perform an objective appraisal of the quality yourself instead of just dismissing it based on where it's made. In the case of wine you should be able to judge the wine based on it's taste rather than on anything else; if you're not capable of that then you certainly aren't capable of telling the difference in taste between a screw-top and a cork-sealed bottle. And if you can't tell the difference in the taste, why the hell does it matter which was used?
Maybe some people would have no problem if their expensive wine came in an aluminium can?
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post #53 of 57
6/11/11 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by Artking3 View Post
I have 2 Margiela jackets. Very nice fit and fabric, but definately fused. One bubbled after the drycleaner ruined it

Margiela's quality has declined rapidly after Diesel group bought it and became a mainstream brand.
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post #54 of 57
12/17/11 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

Simon Spurr and diffusion line Spurr are both well made in Italy (fully canvased, nice shoulders, cupro lining etc). I guess Simon Spurr would be the equivalent of RLPL, with Spurr being somewhere RLBL. Margiela quality is variable. Some really nice. Most of the line 10 tailoring is quite classic cut.

Just got a Spurr suit the inside label says made in the USA not Italy (not that it matters was trying to get confirmation if it was canvassed or not).
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post #55 of 57
12/17/11 at 4:31pm
Not sure on Spurr label but Simon Spurr label is fully canvassed and high quality. Though the price point is steep also.
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post #56 of 57
12/17/11 at 10:17pm
My Etro ties seem well made and compare favorably to my H&Ks
and Sulkas, as far as I can tell.

I have an Etro shirt in a wool/cotton blend that's held up well
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post #57 of 57
12/17/11 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by JTA View Post

Not sure on Spurr label but Simon Spurr label is fully canvassed and high quality. Though the price point is steep also.

I've read that Martin Greenfield makes the Spurr suits. That's somewhat reassuring.
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