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post #8551 of 48171
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Originally Posted by sevenfoldtieguy View Post


But if the care needed to keep my non-AE shells looking "like new" is compared to the care needed to keep my calf shoes looking "like new" (calf from Alden, AE, C&J, EG, Lobb, Sargent, etc.), it is not even close. The former requires far less care than the latter. This is demonstrably true. All that is needed is a quick wipe-down with a damp cloth, occasional horsehair brushing, and very infrequent polishing (a minimum of 15 wears). While I don't go as far as some - that shell needs no care - there is no question it needs far less care. The nature of shell cordovan leather simply allows for less care in a way calfskin does not. This is fact, not opinion. Don't get me wrong, some shell lovers do care for their shoes an awful lot - such as horsehair brushing after every wear, etc. - but this isn't necessary (as per Nick Horween of Horween Leather, the foremost supplier of shell to the world).
And the notion that calf is more comfortable than shell is truly mindboggling, and makes me wonder what shell models are being compared, and how, or even if, the said shell models are properly broken-in. Shell on a double leather sole takes time to break in. There is no doubt about that. But once shell is properly broken-in, the notion that calf is more comfortable than shell, based on my experience, would require a significant departure from good sense.
I have 37 shell models, shoes and boots, from Alden, AE, C&J, Florsheim Imperial (vintage) and Hanover (vintage), and 25 calf models from Alden, AE, Hanover (vintage), Alfred Sargent, Crockett & Jones, Edward Green, and John Lobb. I used to have far more calf models than 25, but have gotten rid of many over time.

 

 My only experence with shell was with two pair of Alden (Color 8 + Ravello). As far as comfort, I didn't find shell any more comfortable than calf. Second, the first day that I owned my Alden PTB in color 8 I was walking out of the shop to my car, there was a light rain - I didn't think much of it but later that night I noticed "bumps" all over the top of the toe (both shoes) - no matter what I did those bumps remained for as long as I owned the shoes. The same with scratches - I could never get rid of them or even minimize them (and I used all the best stuff, with the Mac Method). Then there were the creases - I have never had a leather that creased so much! I have had boots and chukkas that I wore in all kinds of weather that had almost had zero creasing. And I could always, with a little boot oil, Obenauf's, or Saphir make calf skin look new. Once there was a real blemish with shell you had to live with it. I was told that this all was "character" - sorry I didn't care for this "character."   

 

But it really comes down to personal preference, and at 60 I guess I'm just more at home with calfskin. It is what I used and cared for most of my life. I know calf, I like calf.

post #8552 of 48171
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Originally Posted by seer View Post

 

 My only experence with shell was with two pair of Alden (Color 8 + Ravello). As far as comfort, I didn't find shell any more comfortable than calf. Second, the first day that I owned my Alden PTB in color 8 I was walking out of the shop to my car, there was a light rain - I didn't think much of it but later that night I noticed "bumps" all over the top of the toe (both shoes) - no matter what I did those bumps remained for as long as I owned the shoes. The same with scratches - I could never get rid of them or even minimize them (and I used all the best stuff, with the Mac Method). Then there were the creases - I have never had a leather that creased so much! I have had boots and chukkas that I wore in all kinds of weather that had almost had zero creasing. And I could always, with a little boot oil, Obenauf's, or Saphir make calf skin look new. Once there was a real blemish with shell you had to live with it. I was told that this all was "character" - sorry I didn't care for this "character."   

 

But it really comes down to personal preference, and at 60 I guess I'm just more at home with calfskin. It is what I used and cared for most of my life. I know calf, I like calf.

Would you mind post some photos of the bumps and scratches?

post #8553 of 48171
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Would you mind post some photos of the bumps and scratches?


Sorry, I sold those on E-Bay about a year ago.

post #8554 of 48171
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Originally Posted by PK35216 View Post

 i like my tan McTavishes the way they are, but I gotta say those look sweet. Wouldn't mind seeing more pics when you get a chance. And where do you buy Neatfoots oil?

Any tack shop or fleet and farm should carry neatsfoot oil. I picked mine up at ACE hardware. At one time every hardware store in the country used to carry it. I also have the Elgin, which are more finished looking and darker than the McTavish were. If I didn't have the Elgin too not so sure I would have tried it. I took some comparison pictures using them but when I took the after picture the flash kept going off so it isn't the best representation of true color. But it is pretty close. You should be able to click on the pictures to get a high res view which better shows the color.

 

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post #8555 of 48171
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Originally Posted by OmniscientCause View Post

Call me crazy but based off pics and in person visits to AE...I can really say I like calf>shell unless it is a merlot/burgundy color. I really dont like how the strands are different colors in different areas.
The creases might show more in calf but idk, if your going to spend 500 on shoes id feel like it should be the same color.

 

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Originally Posted by BackInTheJox View Post

I actually agree completely.  The black shell it's sort of a wash, although I may still prefer calf there.  I greatly prefer the Walnut calf color to the shell counterpart.

 

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Originally Posted by bucksfan View Post

Some good comments -always a good discussion topic. I personally love the color variation that can be found in the non-black shell colors. In my opinion a burgundy or brown shell cordovan shoe is much better looking than a similar shoe done in calf. ..... For me, that is worth the extra cost, but I certainly understand how others can feel differently.

I absolutely love the the color variation in my shell Strands and even the Cambridge. As has been said before personal preference is the difference. I love the uniqueness of the color variations knowing no one else owns a pair exactly like you do. As to shoe care I do not mind either one, I've been doing it so long it is second nature. Every Saturday night starting as a young kid it was my job and privilege to polish my father's and mine shoes. Then the military for 20 years where I tried my best to ensure none of my men had a better shine than I did. Agree with everything both bucksfan and sevenfoldtieguy said, among others so not much to add to it. Very well done and good discussion indeed.

post #8556 of 48171
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Originally Posted by seer View Post

 My only experence with shell was with two pair of Alden (Color 8 + Ravello). As far as comfort, I didn't find shell any more comfortable than calf. Second, the first day that I owned my Alden PTB in color 8 I was walking out of the shop to my car, there was a light rain - I didn't think much of it but later that night I noticed "bumps" all over the top of the toe (both shoes) - no matter what I did those bumps remained for as long as I owned the shoes. The same with scratches - I could never get rid of them or even minimize them (and I used all the best stuff, with the Mac Method). Then there were the creases - I have never had a leather that creased so much! I have had boots and chukkas that I wore in all kinds of weather that had almost had zero creasing. And I could always, with a little boot oil, Obenauf's, or Saphir make calf skin look new. Once there was a real blemish with shell you had to live with it. I was told that this all was "character" - sorry I didn't care for this "character."   

But it really comes down to personal preference, and at 60 I guess I'm just more at home with calfskin. It is what I used and cared for most of my life. I know calf, I like calf.

No objection here - it ultimately comes down to personal preference.
post #8557 of 48171
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post


I absolutely love the the color variation in my shell Strands and even the Cambridge. As has been said before personal preference is the difference. I love the uniqueness of the color variations knowing no one else owns a pair exactly like you do. As to shoe care I do not mind either one, I've been doing it so long it is second nature. Every Saturday night starting as a young kid it was my job and privilege to polish my father's and mine shoes. Then the military for 20 years where I tried my best to ensure none of my men had a better shine than I did. Agree with everything both bucksfan and sevenfoldtieguy said, among others so not much to add to it. Very well done and good discussion indeed.

Nice story.

And it was a good discussion. Thanks for adding to it.
post #8558 of 48171
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Originally Posted by PK35216 View Post

 

Love it!  I want to try a 00 last shoe. How do they compare to the 5 last?

 

They are most similar to the new 333 last, but I feel a tad bit wider in the forefoot - which I like!  I really wish they bring back the 00 last!

post #8559 of 48171
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They are most similar to the new 333 last, but I feel a tad bit wider in the forefoot - which I like!  I really wish they bring back the 00 last!

 

Agreed.  I have the Soho on the 00 and they fit me very well.

post #8560 of 48171

All this shell cordovan talk has gotten me curious about shell. Is the shoebank shell sale still going on?

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I am looking for a pair of New Orleans black and Mcallister in walnut. What would be a good place to buy them for anything less than retail?? I have been scouring the internet and the past threads for several days but it seems only few selected models go on sale.

 

Is AE definitely worth spending $335/pair? I have never bought AE's (or shoes that expensive).... so on the edge about paying so much for a single pair.

post #8562 of 48171
Picked up strands from Fedex this morning (had them held) for some reason the associate at AE didnt have them shipped to the store like I had the PAs done just 2 weeks before...still not a big deal.

Color is darker than I have seen here/in store. I don't know anything about polish but would love to get them looking similar to this finish 622201073203111.jpg

Any suggestions? I remember there being a discussion about a few different colors like 5 or so pages back walnut v chili. Associates at the store recomended walnut.

I have to figure out how to go about polishing etc, but want to put rubber soles on both these and PAs first.


It's been a long journey but after about 2 years I finally own a pair of strands.
post #8563 of 48171
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Originally Posted by OmniscientCause View Post

Picked up strands from Fedex this morning (had them held) for some reason the associate at AE didnt have them shipped to the store like I had the PAs done just 2 weeks before...still not a big deal.
Color is darker than I have seen here/in store. I don't know anything about polish but would love to get them looking similar to this finish
Any suggestions? I remember there being a discussion about a few different colors like 5 or so pages back walnut v chili. Associates at the store recomended walnut.
I have to figure out how to go about polishing etc, but want to put rubber soles on both these and PAs first.
It's been a long journey but after about 2 years I finally own a pair of strands.

 

To lighten them, use the Cognac polish, not Chili. Chili is what you want for edge dressing

post #8564 of 48171
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Originally Posted by carsnoceans View Post

I am looking for a pair of New Orleans black and Mcallister in walnut. What would be a good place to buy them for anything less than retail?? I have been scouring the internet and the past threads for several days but it seems only few selected models go on sale.

Is AE definitely worth spending $335/pair? I have never bought AE's (or shoes that expensive).... so on the edge about paying so much for a single pair.

If you had purchased Allen Edmonds shoes before, I'd suggest checking with shoebank@allenedmonds.com to see what they have in your size.

Because you haven't: you might do best to find a reputable brick-and-mortar establishment nearby and trying on a couple pairs of shoes. The last 570 pages of thread have made it apparent that fit is the one thing you really oughtn't compromise. Once you know you're a 9.5E (or whatever) then order all the shoes you can afford! ...but a $335 shoe is worthless if it doesn't fit properly. It's totally worth the extra few dozen bucks you might save by going eBay or Shoebank.

Being a really wacky size myself, I happily pay full price if the shoe I want isn't available as a second or NOS on eBay. Good shoes are worth it.
post #8565 of 48171

Black McTavish today:

 

 

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