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post #6031 of 53425

I've found that kennilworth runs slightly large.  My other shoes in the 5-65 last (pa and fifth ave) fit like a glove in ten D, while the kenilworth is too long.  I like the shoe, but the 9.5 is too small.  Haven't yet tried a ten narrow or any other combinations like that.  

 

You might want to try an insert or something to take up a little bit of the space tho if you plan to keep them.

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Originally Posted by StayClassic12 View Post

Hey,

 

So I just bought my first pair of Allen Edmonds, the Brown Kenilworth (Seconds) in size 8.5 D online.

 

Unfortunately, I'm not sure if it's the right size for me. When I put my foot into the shoe untied, there's about a centimeter of space between my heel and the shoe. However, when I tie the shoe as tight as I can, it seems to be an okay fit. I'm really confused on sizing should be and how it should feel.

 

Can anyone give me some tips on determining whether this is the right size for me or not? Or should I go into a retail store and ask them to help me figure it out? (Although I'm not quite sure what the response would be bringing a pair of factory seconds into a regular retail store)

 

Thanks a lot!

post #6032 of 53425
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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

Shell cordovan runs a little larger than calf in the same size and last.

I have a pair of shell Sanfords and a pair of calf Sanfords. Both fit identically (and perfectly). I also have a pair of shell Macneils that fit significantly larger overall but somehow cramp my little toe on one foot.

I am not sure comparisons can be easily made.
post #6033 of 53425
Re: returning factory seconds to AE store:

Well ... look at it this way... the salesmen work on salary plus commission. They are focused on selling as many new shoes, in store or ordered from their store, as possible. Anything that distracts them from their mission is not going to get a minute of their attention.

BTW I was in the E. 44th St. NYC store on Sunday, bought a pair of Daltons...but in the half hour I was waiting to be helped, the 2 salesmen on the floor moved at least $2.5-3k worth of shoes and accessories, and placed orders for 3 more pairs. It was pretty amazing to watch. One customer bought 4 pairs; another bought 3.

Keep in mind that this is sort of the Golden Triangle of trad menswear, being across the street from Brooks Bros and around the corner from Alden. I got the impression from chatting with the owner that AE's business is booming right now.
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I finally crossed the threshold with my first pair(s) of nice shoes. Listening to SF, I'd looked for the Park Avenue...which they didn't have at the first store I went to; instead I went with the Fifth Avenue. Unfortunately, after about 5 minutes of walking in them...I found that for some reason on my right foot the seam managed to hurt the base of my first toe...making them unwearable :(. Luckily, was able to return them.

 

At a different store in town (that's a primary AE retailer)...got some nice help and wound up getting the Kenilworth in black and brown...same last as the PA/FA but way more comfortable! Am enjoying them now and the break-in actually seems much easier than I expected!

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Originally Posted by rootskier View Post

I have a pair of shell Sanfords and a pair of calf Sanfords. Both fit identically (and perfectly). I also have a pair of shell Macneils that fit significantly larger overall but somehow cramp my little toe on one foot.
I am not sure comparisons can be easily made.

Agreed. My shell and calf MacNeils fit exactly the same.

I also think there is some variability in individual shoes, for some reason. But I've also realized that the shape of a last affects feet differently - i.e.: to me, the MacNeils fit the same, but to a different shaped foot, there may be variation due to the way the leather gives in a certain direction.
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Originally Posted by Peter1 View Post

Re: returning factory seconds to AE store:
Well ... look at it this way... the salesmen work on salary plus commission. They are focused on selling as many new shoes, in store or ordered from their store, as possible. Anything that distracts them from their mission is not going to get a minute of their attention.
BTW I was in the E. 44th St. NYC store on Sunday, bought a pair of Daltons...but in the half hour I was waiting to be helped, the 2 salesmen on the floor moved at least $2.5-3k worth of shoes and accessories, and placed orders for 3 more pairs. It was pretty amazing to watch. One customer bought 4 pairs; another bought 3.
Keep in mind that this is sort of the Golden Triangle of trad menswear, being across the street from Brooks Bros and around the corner from Alden. I got the impression from chatting with the owner that AE's business is booming right now.

I get this. But they need to get their message straight. I have an email from AE clearly stating that I could return seconds to a retail store. Why is it the customer's fault for following directions? I mean, it's not the end of the world to have to mail them back; but they told me it was OK.

My store was very nice about it, and the saleswoman almost sold me a pair of cordovan Strands out of it. So she took advantage of my being there and already being a customer. Good for her. I guess it's up to the individual salesperson as to how they want to treat their customers.
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Originally Posted by Peter1 View Post

Re: returning factory seconds to AE store:
Well ... look at it this way... the salesmen work on salary plus commission. They are focused on selling as many new shoes, in store or ordered from their store, as possible. Anything that distracts them from their mission is not going to get a minute of their attention.
BTW I was in the E. 44th St. NYC store on Sunday, bought a pair of Daltons...but in the half hour I was waiting to be helped, the 2 salesmen on the floor moved at least $2.5-3k worth of shoes and accessories, and placed orders for 3 more pairs. It was pretty amazing to watch. One customer bought 4 pairs; another bought 3.
Keep in mind that this is sort of the Golden Triangle of trad menswear, being across the street from Brooks Bros and around the corner from Alden. I got the impression from chatting with the owner that AE's business is booming right now.


I completely understand the salary/commission+ situation the SAs may be in.  I was actually hesitant to go in because I didn't want to waste their time being a "seconds" shopper.  I'm also very appreciative that they even let me try on a pair of shoes (firsts) even though they knew I wasn't going to be making a purchase.

 

I'm just taken back by the fact that I was the only customer in the store at the time and was refused seconds-return assistance.  I was not taking them away from a sales, at least not to a physical customer.  

 

It's ok, not that big of deal.  I've got what I wanted and it only wasted a few minutes of their time.  I contacted shoe bank today and they've already shipped the shoes I wanted (even before I return the ones I have on hand).  That's excellent service to me.   That's also from a face I've never seen miles and miles away.

post #6038 of 53425
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Originally Posted by kmdsimpson View Post


I get this. But they need to get their message straight. I have an email from AE clearly stating that I could return seconds to a retail store. Why is it the customer's fault for following directions? I mean, it's not the end of the world to have to mail them back; but they told me it was OK.
My store was very nice about it, and the saleswoman almost sold me a pair of cordovan Strands out of it. So she took advantage of my being there and already being a customer. Good for her. I guess it's up to the individual salesperson as to how they want to treat their customers.


My point exactly.  I'm glad others had no problem returning seconds to Sutter/San Francisco, but it's unfortunate that I (or anyone else) have the chance of being denied for X reason.

post #6039 of 53425
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Originally Posted by spitshine123 View Post

Thinking about the neumoras, cordovan leeds or cordovan cambridge as my next shoe. I'm a perfect fit for the 5 last (2,7 and 8 lasts are too narrow in the toe). I've heard that the neumoras run big and the cordovan cambridges run big vs their 5 last counterparts.

Would it be necessary to size down for all these shoes based on your past experiences?

Thanks!

 

In my experience, no. I am the same size in calf Park Avenues, calf Macneils, cordovan Macneils, cordovan Leeds, cordovan Cambridges, and cordovan strands (also on the 5 last). For some reason the Cambridges feel a little bigger than the Park Avenues and the strands,, but I never considered sizing down. I simply wear my mid-thickness socks rather than my thin dress socks.

The cordovan and calf MacNeils fit the same.
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Question:  Can anyone provide feedback on their experience with the Sanford?  Specifically fit.  It is made on the 7 last.  Does it seem narrow, wide, or true to width?  I don't have wide but I do have flat feet, which makes them "feel" wide in some shoes.  

 

Any thoughts??

post #6041 of 53425
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Originally Posted by pudman43 View Post

Hi guys, heading down to San Diego for a week this July, and thinking of making a trip to the Costa Mesa store. I've never been to an AE store but do own 7 pairs. Is it worthwhile to drive up there? We're staying in Del Mar, just north of SD

 

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I think a trip to South Coast is always cool. Besides, you can also hit up Nordstrom's Rack afterwards for more AE shoes

 

The South Coast Plaza store is excellent.  I have received excellent service there, and I don't hesitate to recommend the location.  The current manager has been reassigned starting in July I think, but you should still have a good experience.

 

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Originally Posted by rootskier View Post


I have a pair of shell Sanfords and a pair of calf Sanfords. Both fit identically (and perfectly). I also have a pair of shell Macneils that fit significantly larger overall but somehow cramp my little toe on one foot.
I am not sure comparisons can be easily made.

 

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Originally Posted by kmdsimpson View Post


Agreed. My shell and calf MacNeils fit exactly the same.
I also think there is some variability in individual shoes, for some reason. But I've also realized that the shape of a last affects feet differently - i.e.: to me, the MacNeils fit the same, but to a different shaped foot, there may be variation due to the way the leather gives in a certain direction.

 

There is an element of variability to be sure.  Some feet may fit well in the same size calf and shell.  Some will not.  Perceived fit is subjective to some extent.  Nonetheless, I maintain that the shell cordovan shoe is going to be slightly bigger than the corresponding calf shoe.  It's just that in some cases this may not make a difference relative to the shape of your feet.

post #6042 of 53425
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Originally Posted by Pastor View Post

I have the Neumoras and had to size down. I'm a 9.5 E in just about every AE I own (10+ pairs) an I went with a 9 E in the 3 last. Hope this helps.

Thanks for your input- would any of your 10 pairs be on the 5 last for comparison? Also- was there a significant decrease in width with sizing down .5?
post #6043 of 53425
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Originally Posted by charliebrown2 View Post

 

 

This is why I found it really odd that they said they couldn't help me.  I wonder if it has to do with me being young, under dressed, and holding a pair of seconds inside a retail first store (hey, I have to start somewhere).  If true, and this is what it sounds like given you guys' account with returning seconds, then that location is really irking me the wrong way... =/

 

Or, it could be that I went in looking for a size "exchange".  However, I did clearly say I was hoping to return the larger pair to your store and re-ordering a smaller size from the shoe bank....of which, they "could not help me here".  Of course I didn't expect them to have seconds on hand to exchange with me on the spot, so I wasn't implying anything like that.

 

Not good, Sutter Street location, not good.

Yeah, I tend to agree with that sentiment.  I have gone to the EC location for my past couple of purchases.  They seem to be far more patient and helpful there.

post #6044 of 53425
I will be selling a factory seconds sand suede players in 11D on B&S. if anyone want it I can PM you the pictures. I got the during the 2 for $200 sell so will let go for $100 + shipping to where you are.
post #6045 of 53425
I have several pair on the 5 last and 9.5E works well for me in that last. There was no noticeable difference in widths with sizing down. I would have never thought going down a half size would work but I trusted the SA and she order the Neumora for me in several sizes and I got to try them all on and the 1/2 size down fit the best.
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