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Originally Posted by Karembeu View Post

Gents,

I need your opinion on this. I'm pretty sure I already made up my mind but just wanted to see what you all thought.

I snagged a pair of factory second Shell Cordovan Burgundy Dalton's during the tent sale and was super excited. I've been pretty busy at work so I didn't get a chance to really look at the shoes that much yet until today. Unfortunately, I noticed some things that I think are too big a deal to not return/exchange but I'm curious if you guys agree.

In the first pic, you can see the hole/dent (what do you call it?) that is my biggest concern. It looks like over time, it could get bigger and pose other problems such as water getting through and such.

In the second and third pics, you can see the problems with the brogue. The holes don't seem to have been punched all the way through on a lot of them and it kind of doesn't look even either. This is the biggest cosmetic flaw that I can see.

In the fourth pic, you can see some discoloration (black spots) on the shoe as well as line scratch that can be felt with the fingers.

All in all, I think there are just too many defects with this pair, especially with the hole so I'm thinking I should just send these back. I do have a question regarding this though: do you all ask the store to send out another pair to see if the new pair doesn't have as many/as big of a defect? How does this work in terms of price since the tent sale is obviously over? Would you guys recommend going this course and seeing if the other pair will be better? Lastly, what's the best price for the shell Daltons on sale for first quality?

Thanks!

Where are the pics?
post #46307 of 53213
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Originally Posted by YRR92 View Post


Haven't owned either, but the Patriot is dressier than the Kenwood. I don't like the beefroll on the Kenwood, but I do prefer a true moccasin (Kenwood) to a welted penny (Patriot).

 

Are the burg Kenwoods in corrected leather? I'm not certain. I don't have an objection to burgundy corrected grain penny loafers, really. It's a fairly traditional material for the style. CG handles rain well, but doesn't always age as gracefully as calf, so that's a pretty important factor.

They are one of the few shoes still made by AE with corrected grain leather that I am aware of. AE used to call their corrected grain leather polished cobbler leather. I have an older pair of Shelton's that are cobbler leather, they switched to calf for the Shelton a number of years ago. I have always worn them as a "fun" shoe such as dates, etc. Agree that it handles foul weather well but it also doesn't age as gracefully as calf. But still works for a fun type shoe.

 

 

I have the Patriot in both brown and burgundy shell and wear them often as a casual shoe. They fit my narrow heels and low arch, low volume foot very well. I wear the Manchester loafer when I feel the need to dress it up some but still want to wear a loafer.

post #46308 of 53213
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Originally Posted by Karembeu View Post
 

Gents,

 

I need your opinion on this. I'm pretty sure I already made up my mind but just wanted to see what you all thought.

 

I snagged a pair of factory second Shell Cordovan Burgundy Dalton's during the tent sale and was super excited. I've been pretty busy at work so I didn't get a chance to really look at the shoes that much yet until today. Unfortunately, I noticed some things that I think are too big a deal to not return/exchange but I'm curious if you guys agree.

 

In the first pic, you can see the hole/dent (what do you call it?) that is my biggest concern. It looks like over time, it could get bigger and pose other problems such as water getting through and such.

 

In the second and third pics, you can see the problems with the brogue. The holes don't seem to have been punched all the way through on a lot of them and it kind of doesn't look even either. This is the biggest cosmetic flaw that I can see.

 

In the fourth pic, you can see some discoloration (black spots) on the shoe as well as line scratch that can be felt with the fingers.

 

All in all, I think there are just too many defects with this pair, especially with the hole so I'm thinking I should just send these back. I do have a question regarding this though: do you all ask the store to send out another pair to see if the new pair doesn't have as many/as big of a defect? How does this work in terms of price since the tent sale is obviously over? Would you guys recommend going this course and seeing if the other pair will be better? Lastly, what's the best price for the shell Daltons on sale for first quality?

 

Thanks!

 

I don't see any attached pictures, but if you don't like the shoes, then the best thing to do is to return them. There are times when you think there's value at the seconds' price and there are times when it's probably better to buy first-quality shoes. This has happened to me before and I would say go with your intuition. 

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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post


Where are the pics?


I'd like to see the pics too.  How much did you get them for? 

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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post
 

They are one of the few shoes still made by AE with corrected grain leather that I am aware of. AE used to call their corrected grain leather polished cobbler leather. I have an older pair of Shelton's that are cobbler leather, they switched to calf for the Shelton a number of years ago. I have always worn them as a "fun" shoe such as dates, etc. Agree that it handles foul weather well but it also doesn't age as gracefully as calf. But still works for a fun type shoe.

 

 

 

I have the Patriot in both brown and burgundy shell and wear them often as a casual shoe. They fit my narrow heels and low arch, low volume foot very well. I wear the Manchester loafer when I feel the need to dress it up some but still want to wear a loafer.

Thanks for the information. I've seen an older pair of AE saddles in that color scheme in a consignment place -- though these may have been the Polo. They had held up better than many of the older CG shoes I've seen, but they had seen relatively little wear. I'm afraid I don't like most of the brown or tan CG I've seen, with the exception of some Church's (who also call it "polished cobbler"), but black and burgundy work pretty well.

 

I guess, in my experience, well-maintained CG shoes can still look just fine with a fair bit of wear on them, as yours show. In my book, well-maintained calf shoes can look great with a dollop of age/wear/patina.

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I would return them and just save up for firsts. I could see myself constantly worrying about the indentation whenever it rained - not worth the stress.

 

The black lines aren't as big of a deal - you could probably just burnish the heel with black polish to blend it in.

 

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Originally Posted by Karembeu View Post
 

Gents,

 

I need your opinion on this. I'm pretty sure I already made up my mind but just wanted to see what you all thought.

 

I snagged a pair of factory second Shell Cordovan Burgundy Dalton's during the tent sale and was super excited. I've been pretty busy at work so I didn't get a chance to really look at the shoes that much yet until today. Unfortunately, I noticed some things that I think are too big a deal to not return/exchange but I'm curious if you guys agree.

 

In the first pic, you can see the hole/dent (what do you call it?) that is my biggest concern. It looks like over time, it could get bigger and pose other problems such as water getting through and such.

 

In the second and third pics, you can see the problems with the brogue. The holes don't seem to have been punched all the way through on a lot of them and it kind of doesn't look even either. This is the biggest cosmetic flaw that I can see.

 

In the fourth pic, you can see some discoloration (black spots) on the shoe as well as line scratch that can be felt with the fingers.

 

All in all, I think there are just too many defects with this pair, especially with the hole so I'm thinking I should just send these back. I do have a question regarding this though: do you all ask the store to send out another pair to see if the new pair doesn't have as many/as big of a defect? How does this work in terms of price since the tent sale is obviously over? Would you guys recommend going this course and seeing if the other pair will be better? Lastly, what's the best price for the shell Daltons on sale for first quality?

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Karembeu View Post
 

Gents,

 

I need your opinion on this. I'm pretty sure I already made up my mind but just wanted to see what you all thought.

 

I snagged a pair of factory second Shell Cordovan Burgundy Dalton's during the tent sale and was super excited. I've been pretty busy at work so I didn't get a chance to really look at the shoes that much yet until today. Unfortunately, I noticed some things that I think are too big a deal to not return/exchange but I'm curious if you guys agree.

 

In the first pic, you can see the hole/dent (what do you call it?) that is my biggest concern. It looks like over time, it could get bigger and pose other problems such as water getting through and such.

 

In the second and third pics, you can see the problems with the brogue. The holes don't seem to have been punched all the way through on a lot of them and it kind of doesn't look even either. This is the biggest cosmetic flaw that I can see.

 

In the fourth pic, you can see some discoloration (black spots) on the shoe as well as line scratch that can be felt with the fingers.

 

All in all, I think there are just too many defects with this pair, especially with the hole so I'm thinking I should just send these back. I do have a question regarding this though: do you all ask the store to send out another pair to see if the new pair doesn't have as many/as big of a defect? How does this work in terms of price since the tent sale is obviously over? Would you guys recommend going this course and seeing if the other pair will be better? Lastly, what's the best price for the shell Daltons on sale for first quality?

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

In my opinion, the "dent" is not that big of a deal and might work itself out as you wear them in....I doubt it will get worse over time.  The discoloration is also not a big deal IMO, but only you can decide whether or not you can live with it.  The brogue patterns are a bit off, but nobody would likely notice.  If you paid less than $400 for them, I would personally keep them.

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Originally Posted by Karembeu View Post
 

Gents,

 

I need your opinion on this. I'm pretty sure I already made up my mind but just wanted to see what you all thought.

 

I snagged a pair of factory second Shell Cordovan Burgundy Dalton's during the tent sale and was super excited. I've been pretty busy at work so I didn't get a chance to really look at the shoes that much yet until today. Unfortunately, I noticed some things that I think are too big a deal to not return/exchange but I'm curious if you guys agree.

 

In the first pic, you can see the hole/dent (what do you call it?) that is my biggest concern. It looks like over time, it could get bigger and pose other problems such as water getting through and such.

 

In the second and third pics, you can see the problems with the brogue. The holes don't seem to have been punched all the way through on a lot of them and it kind of doesn't look even either. This is the biggest cosmetic flaw that I can see.

 

In the fourth pic, you can see some discoloration (black spots) on the shoe as well as line scratch that can be felt with the fingers.

 

All in all, I think there are just too many defects with this pair, especially with the hole so I'm thinking I should just send these back. I do have a question regarding this though: do you all ask the store to send out another pair to see if the new pair doesn't have as many/as big of a defect? How does this work in terms of price since the tent sale is obviously over? Would you guys recommend going this course and seeing if the other pair will be better? Lastly, what's the best price for the shell Daltons on sale for first quality?

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

 

These boots look great, all the flaws you are trying to point out are tiny… not even that noticeable. If you are comfortable with the price you paid and the quality you received, stick with them! if not, then return… I know many of us would love a pair like those.

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Originally Posted by ScottyBoy920 View Post

These boots look great, all the flaws you are trying to point out are tiny… not even that noticeable. If you are comfortable with the price you paid and the quality you received, stick with them! if not, then return… I know many of us would love a pair like those.

+1 If you want to put the shoes up in a museum style case and closely observe every inch of surface area in great detail, send them back. However, in all likelihood you will want to go out and wear these shoes, which will inevitably lead to more dings scuffs scratches and general addition to the character of the shoes that will make them your own unique pair.

With regards to the mark on the vamp, if it is not an actual hole or tear that goes all the way through the leather you should be okay, but in the worst case scenario where it does develop into something more AE will never question your return of worn shoes with a structural defect.
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Originally Posted by Karembeu View Post

Gents,

I need your opinion on this. I'm pretty sure I already made up my mind but just wanted to see what you all thought.

I snagged a pair of factory second Shell Cordovan Burgundy Dalton's during the tent sale and was super excited. I've been pretty busy at work so I didn't get a chance to really look at the shoes that much yet until today. Unfortunately, I noticed some things that I think are too big a deal to not return/exchange but I'm curious if you guys agree.

In the first pic, you can see the hole/dent (what do you call it?) that is my biggest concern. It looks like over time, it could get bigger and pose other problems such as water getting through and such.

In the second and third pics, you can see the problems with the brogue. The holes don't seem to have been punched all the way through on a lot of them and it kind of doesn't look even either. This is the biggest cosmetic flaw that I can see.

In the fourth pic, you can see some discoloration (black spots) on the shoe as well as line scratch that can be felt with the fingers.

All in all, I think there are just too many defects with this pair, especially with the hole so I'm thinking I should just send these back. I do have a question regarding this though: do you all ask the store to send out another pair to see if the new pair doesn't have as many/as big of a defect? How does this work in terms of price since the tent sale is obviously over? Would you guys recommend going this course and seeing if the other pair will be better? Lastly, what's the best price for the shell Daltons on sale for first quality?

Thanks!












For seconds that's a keep for me. The "dent" is the only thing I'd say is out of the ordinary for seconds. Black discoloration, small scratches and incomplete brogue holes are pretty common. Remember, they are seconds for a reason. If you got them for $399 at the sale recently, I'd keep them since that's a good price ($299 doesn't seem likely to come back).

Firsts will be MSRP less 15% in October during the rediscover America sale which is usually the lowest shell Daltons usually go for.

EDIT: still haven't figured out how to spoiler images on mobile yet. Sorry guys.
post #46316 of 53213

Thanks for all the responses, gents. I'm honestly surprised that so many of you have recommended me to keep as I was almost certain this pair was not up to snuff for second standards. I will admit that aside from the dent, I was going to overlook everything. The dent just has me worried because as far as I know, I can't just fix it or patch it up somehow. And I'm worried about rain as well as it getting bigger over time.

 

I got them for $399 during the sale so it's definitely a good price. I was contemplating waiting for another sale to get them again if I really was uncomfortable keeping these. Do any of you have experience with having them send a second pair? I've read that for some, if the seconds they received had some defects that they didn't like, they had another pair sent out. Do you have to pay restocking fees for this?

 

Thanks again!

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What's the general 5-65 to 333 last conversion?

Ie if I am at 10.5C in the 5-65, what am I likely to be in the 333?

Thanks
post #46318 of 53213
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Originally Posted by Karembeu View Post
 

Thanks for all the responses, gents. I'm honestly surprised that so many of you have recommended me to keep as I was almost certain this pair was not up to snuff for second standards. I will admit that aside from the dent, I was going to overlook everything. The dent just has me worried because as far as I know, I can't just fix it or patch it up somehow. And I'm worried about rain as well as it getting bigger over time.

 

I got them for $399 during the sale so it's definitely a good price. I was contemplating waiting for another sale to get them again if I really was uncomfortable keeping these. Do any of you have experience with having them send a second pair? I've read that for some, if the seconds they received had some defects that they didn't like, they had another pair sent out. Do you have to pay restocking fees for this?

 

Thanks again!

 

They can send you a replacement only if they have them in stock. If they do have stock, there's no assurance you will get a pair as nice or better than the one you already have. 

post #46319 of 53213

I would NOT keep those Daltons. That is a crack in the shell and over time, and depending on how your foot creases the shoe, it can get bigger - ultimately destroying the shoe.

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^This.
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