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I wonder what purpose allen edmonds thought a black captoe blucher would have in any shoemakers catalogue?...surely allen edmonds isnt the only shoemaker who has made this gaffe.

its odd though...ive seen people wear LWB's like the macneil with suits, however there was never any consensus that they look out of place. Presumably because they are always burgundy in color, and are typically paired with navy. But one would think the broguing, the perfing, the double sole and the open lacing design would render t them an odd pairing with a suit...however it is usually about a 60:40 ratio of people who say it looks passable/appropriate vs. those who say it looks odd, respectively. So im sure the Lexington will work out just fine.
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Where is the best place to pick up woodlore ultras? Do you guys prefer ultras in comparison to regular woodlore? 

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Originally Posted by harlequin782 View Post

ive seen people wear LWB's like the macneil with suits, however they are never said to look out of place. Presumably because they are always burgundy in color, and are typically paired with navy. But one would think the broguing, the perfing, the double sole and the open lacing design would render t them an odd pairing with a suit...however it is usually about a 60:40 ratio pf people who say it looks passable/appropriate vs. those who say it looks odd, respectively.
When I wear my MacNeils, it's with a sport jacket or tweed or flannel. Don't think I've worn them with worsted. It is a classic American style of shoe, though, so -- like tassel loafers -- there seems to be some wiggle room.

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I think that even the lexington would look out of place with a pair of jeans and out of place with a suit.


The ptb leeds is probably the best compromise. It would look okay with a suit but much better with jeans.
With suits, I think the Leeds' chunkiness and reverse welt are greater sins than the Lexington's open lacing. I'm right there with you on their respective application with denim.

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Now, about these Hanover wholecuts that I plan to rock sockless with my cut off stonewashed denim jean-shorts...
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How is someone going to recommend a Lexington (cap toe blucher) versus something like the Kenilworth? The Lexingtons seriously look like Rockports. Stay away.

 

Harlequin, go with what you like but I wear black Kenilworths with suits all the time. For a long time they were the only black formal shoe I had. I was constantly complimented because they were (relatively) sleek, smooth, and clean compared to the blobby cap toes everyone else wears. 

 

And they look KILLER with dark denim, BTW.

 

The Blucher vs Balmoral thing is not at the top of the list when it comes to formality, IMO. If you want the most formal black balmoral you can get, skip the BS and get the Hanover and call it a day.

 

Maybe one day Ill pick up PAs for cheap as my black office wear shoe, but until then I will keep wearing the Kenilworth without issue. Considering how much stupid stuff I see, like kilted tassel loafers (or loafers period) being worn with suits, Im not losing any sleep about wearing classy black bluchers with a suit.

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Originally Posted by random-adam View Post

When I wear my MacNeils, it's with a sport jacket or tweed or flannel. Don't think I've worn them with worsted. It is a classic American style of shoe, though, so -- like tassel loafers -- there seems to be some wiggle room.
When I wear my MacNeils, it's with a sport jacket or tweed or flannel. Don't think I've worn them with worsted. It is a classic American style of shoe, though, so -- like tassel loafers -- there seems to be some wiggle room.


Understood.

and how do you feel specifically about say a black Kenilworth with a worsted suit?

Like I said I dont know where I come down on it, since it is a ptb, and i dont wear suits very often. But I do seem to be immeasurably more attracted to it than the leeds for that purpose.
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Originally Posted by harlequin782 View Post

I wonder what purpose allen edmonds thought a black captoe blucher would have in any shoemakers catalogue?...surely allen edmonds isnt the only shoemaker who has made this gaffe.

its odd though...ive seen people wear LWB's like the macneil with suits, however they are never said to look out of place. Presumably because they are always burgundy in color, and are typically paired with navy. But one would think the broguing, the perfing, the double sole and the open lacing design would render t them an odd pairing with a suit...however it is usually about a 60:40 ratio pf people who say it looks passable/appropriate vs. those who say it looks odd, respectively. So im sure the Lexington will work out just fine.

I'm sure many want a plain captoe shoe, and find that open lacing fits their instep more comfortably. Most of the general public have no awareness of/don't care about whether it's inappropriate to wear a blucher with a suit. To many, the Lexington looks formal enough.
Edited by peppercorn78 - 6/15/14 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by DerangedGoose View Post

How is someone going to recommend a Lexington (cap toe blucher) versus something like the Kenilworth? The Lexingtons seriously look like Rockports. Stay away.

Harlequin, go with what you like but I wear black Kenilworths with suits all the time. For a long time they were the only black formal shoe I had. I was constantly complimented because they were (relatively) sleek, smooth, and clean compared to the blobby cap toes everyone else wears. 

And they look KILLER with dark denim, BTW.

The Blucher vs Balmoral thing is not at the top of the list when it comes to formality, IMO. If you want the most formal black balmoral you can get, skip the BS and get the Hanover and call it a day.

Maybe one day Ill pick up PAs for cheap as my black office wear shoe, but until then I will keep wearing the Kenilworth without issue. Considering how much stupid stuff I see, like kilted tassel loafers (or loafers period) being worn with suits, Im not losing any sleep about wearing classy black bluchers with a suit.

Yeah, and this was really how ive seen it all along..it blows me away that those kilted and tasseled loafers never raise objections...but the bal vs. Blucher thing just instantly sets off sirens. Im sure theres some sort of historical justification for the present day embracing of, or at least the indifference to, kilted/tasseled loafers as opposed to the reaction to improperly paired bals/bluchers. Its just a strange exception that is made to me.
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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

I'm sure many want a plain captoe shoe, and find that open lacing fits their instep more comfortably. Most of the general public have no awareness of/don't care about whether it's inappropriate to wear a blucher with a suit. To many, the Lexington looks formal enough.



And this, my friend, is what im banking on...lol
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Originally Posted by harlequin782 View Post


Yeah, and this was really how ive seen it all along..it blows me away that those kilted and tasseled loafers never raise objections...but the bal vs. Blucher thing just instantly sets off sirens. Im sure theres some sort of historical justification for the present day embracing of, or at least the indifference to, kilted/tasseled loafers as opposed to the reaction to improperly paired bals/bluchers. Its just a strange exception that is made to me.

 

Get the Kenilworths in black and then eventually the Hanover. The Hanover is basically the grown up, more formal brother of the Kenilworth (to me), albeit on a (slightly) wider last. They seem to channel the same design ethos: clean, slim, straightforward and purposeful. Thats my style and I dont need to find roundabout sartorial justifications for it. I havent tried Leeds in person, but I find them rather clunky. For going out I wear dark jeans and Kenilworths, if I wanted to wear AE and keep it more casual than that I would probably wear something more fun like Daltons or something slightly decorated.

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Originally Posted by DerangedGoose View Post

Get the Kenilworths in black and then eventually the Hanover. The Hanover is basically the grown up, more formal brother of the Kenilworth (to me), albeit on a (slightly) wider last. They seem to channel the same design ethos: clean, slim, straightforward and purposeful. Thats my style and I dont need to find roundabout sartorial justifications for it. I havent tried Leeds in person, but I find them rather clunky. For going out I wear dark jeans and Kenilworths, if I wanted to wear AE and keep it more casual than that I would probably wear something more fun like Daltons or something slightly decorated.

That has also started creeping in my mind: to exchange the Lexingtons for The Kenilworth. I got these Lexington firsts for around 230 USD during the Anniversary Sale. I now see that the Kenilworth firsts are currently priced at around 290 USD and I kind of wonder why the Kenilworth is priced so low if it is such a nice shoe as it certainly seems to be and whether it would be worth it to risk getting a cheaper shoe of inferior quality (?) if im on a budget and already got a $365 shoe for $230.

Mind you, im fully aware that the entire logic is just a total breakdown on my behalf, at properly managing my consumer psycology and the accompanying value proposition.
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I would get Kenilworth seconds (199). Ive always gotten seconds and never had an issue.

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Originally Posted by harlequin782 View Post

That has also started creeping in my mind: to exchange the Lexingtons for The Kenilworth. I got these Lexington firsts for around 230 USD during the Anniversary Sale. I now see that the Kenilworth firsts are currently priced at around 290 USD and I kind of wonder why the Kenilworth is priced so low if it is such a nice shoe as it certainly seems to be and whether it would be worth it to risk getting a cheaper shoe of inferior quality (?) if im on a budget and already got a $365 shoe for $230.

Mind you, im fully aware that the entire logic is just a total breakdown on my behalf, at properly managing my consumer psycology and the accompanying value proposition.

I read an old thread on AAAC about someone who went to an AE trunk show when the kennies were first introduced. The shoe is simply much less complicated to produce than most of the others, considering minimal stitching, and the relatively simple shape of the pieces of leather used. It takes fewer billable man-hours.

Btw I have Kenilworth in burgundy shell, and used to have them in walnut before I sold them (needed to thin the herd, and it occupied a very redundant spot in my rotation). Both looked great with denim. The brown version is quite handsome, too. But I wouldn't personally buy the black one.
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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

I read an old thread on AAAC about someone who went to an AE trunk show when the kennies were first introduced. The shoe is simply much less complicated to produce than most of the others, considering minimal stitching, and the relatively simple shape of the pieces of leather used. It takes fewer billable man-hours.

Btw I have Kenilworth in burgundy shell, and used to have them in walnut before I sold them (needed to thin the herd, and it occupied a very redundant spot in my rotation). Both looked great with denim. The brown version is quite handsome, too. But I wouldn't personally buy the black one.

yeah, ive seen the shell kenilworths and they look spectacular in the most understated way, and I think theyd go with my style better than the leeds. I noticed these lexingtons, from certain angles can look a bit stodgy and geometric compared to the smooth, seamless contours of the kenilworth.
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Woo, looks like New York was able to find black Hanovers for me, so I snagged em. Still no luck on the dark chocolate daltons, I think I may be waiting a while for those. He did offer firsts to me for 20% off at $316, but I think Ill wait to see if I can get seconds at $254...

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Originally Posted by harlequin782 View Post

yeah, ive seen the shell kenilworths and they look spectacular in the most understated way, and I think theyd go with my style better than the leeds. I noticed these lexingtons, from certain angles can look a bit stodgy and geometric compared to the smooth, seamless contours of the kenilworth.

Here are mine (including denim shot). smile.gif



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