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post #43276 of 48236

I've always liked just plain, boring black shoes. My first pair of AEs were black Park Avenues.

 

But then I got some bourbon Strands... and then today arrived my sale order of merlot McAllisters... wow, they are beautiful.

 

I suppose something in walnut will have to be next...

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"~~Hi Guys. Long time lurker, first time poster. I recently tried a couple pairs of Allen Edmonds McAllister wingtips, one purchased online, and one from the San Francisco AE store. Overall I was disappointed enough to return both pairs. My foot measures right between 11 and 11.5, and also right between medium and wide, so finding the proper size on that long narrow last was tricky. The SA and I decided that the 11D was sized the best, although it was tight, and I proceeded to take the shoes home. The two problems I immediately had was that the shoes were horrendously uncomfortable (not just tight but stiff), and the leather on the sides of the shoes "winged" out just while I was standing there. Going to a wide size gave me TOO much width, and the leather did the same thing. In addition, on one of the pairs the upper wasn't even stitched to the sole symmetrically on each shoe! Now, I'm certainly not as knowledgeable as many of you, but am also not a total shoe noob, having several pairs of Ferragamo, Gucci, Magli...ect, and this is the only time I have run into this "winging" problem, and certainly the most uncomfortable a new show of any type has been. In fact, when returning the shoes, I purposely wore a pair of Ferragamo Tramezza shoes to illustrate how that pair kept it's shape, which was possibly not a fair comparison given the price point difference, but it IS Allen Edmonds who touts their fine construction after all, so fair enough. To AE's credit, their sales staff was a pleasure to work with, and agreed that the shoe should not be performing like it did. I received a full refund. Now to my question. I REALLY want to like AE, but all the styles I enjoy are built on the 65 last, which just may not fit my foot well. However, regardless of which last, I came away from my first experience with AE disappointed in the quality of the shoes in general. Your "Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread" though has thousands of posts, seemingly from dozens of fans, but is their quality on par with what it once was, or has it gone markedly south?"



 



I had a similar issue with the AE sizing on the 65 last. I had originally purchased the Park Avenues in 7.5E from the Michigan store after being measured by the sales rep. They were very tight width wise, but the rep said they would break in after a dozen or so wears. They loosened up a little, but never felt comfortable or "right". I called AE customer service, and was set on exchanging them for a pair of 7.5EE, but the AE phone rep talked me out of it, and recommended 8E instead. Here is the way she explained the sizing to me:



 



~~the size increases in length 1/6th of an inch and ¼ quarter of an inch in width each half size. If you just change the width and stay in the same length, the width changes 3/16th of an inch in both the toe box and the heel.



 



I found that by moving up to the 8E, I was able to get adequate side and toe box relief, while still having a good, snug fit in the heel. Might be worth a shot to try on a pair of 11.5D in your case to see if that helps the fit. The pair you purchased was clearly way too tight, which probably contributed to the winging issues you were having.


 



From my understanding increasing the length will gain a slight width increase. the 1/6th and 3/16th is just standard for moving around different sizes. So the 8E prob gave a tiny bit more room. However I'd be worried about the foot falling in the correct locations in the shoe. I know I size down to an 11.5 in the 65 last in order to get proper placement from a 12D in most shoes. Found an 11.5 in the 108 was better as well. Its just the quirkiness of the lasts used.

Hmmm. So, even though my foot measures slightly longer than 11, is it your opinion that the 65 last May be so long that trying a 10.5 E may work better than the tight and long 11 D? Is the 65 last really that long?

I recently did a similar thing with a pair of ferragamo loafers (Tazio) which were WAY too long as an 11d. I found a great deal on Ebay for the shoe in 10.5E, but after wearing them a few times I think they may be a bit too wide, even though the length is good.
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Just received my 2nds BB MacNeil. Ordered this before BB went on sale. For usd60 I would have gone for 1st though. Having said that this pair looks great. Only thing I see is some minor creasing on the toe which any be seen on the 1st photo but is visible on the 2nd photo. Being in Asia, definitely not enough reason for me to ship back to US. 20140422-220117.jpg
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Very nice colors...compliments
post #43279 of 48236
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Have a little more respect for yourself.


If you're retired and over the age of 65-70, then ignore the above and do whatever you damn well please. You've earned it.

 

:D that is an excellent point...I feel 65...does that count.

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Hmmm. So, even though my foot measures slightly longer than 11, is it your opinion that the 65 last May be so long that trying a 10.5 E may work better than the tight and long 11 D? Is the 65 last really that long?

I recently did a similar thing with a pair of ferragamo loafers (Tazio) which were WAY too long as an 11d. I found a great deal on Ebay for the shoe in 10.5E, but after wearing them a few times I think they may be a bit too wide, even though the length is good.

I am a 13D generally and have no problems going to 12.5E on the 65 last

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Very nice colors...compliments

Thank you. I like the colors myself :-)
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I slathered the AE leather lotion all over my new Bourbon Mora 2.0 and the symphony of squeaks from the first wear have been reduced to virtually zero from the right shoe and more from the left I hit everything with the leather lotion from the liner that touches leather to the straps and buckles. Will hit them again with another round tonight then in a few days they will need a good buffing and maybe a wax to bring the shine back

post #43283 of 48236

My brown cordovan Dundees arrived. The look and feel of them put me in a rustic mood, so I took some pics with my Saddleback briefcase.

 

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The shine naturally draws my gaze to the shell ... very nice.
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The shine naturally draws my gaze to the shell ... very nice.

 

Thank you, Sir!

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Hmmm. So, even though my foot measures slightly longer than 11, is it your opinion that the 65 last May be so long that trying a 10.5 E may work better than the tight and long 11 D? Is the 65 last really that long?



I recently did a similar thing with a pair of ferragamo loafers (Tazio) which were WAY too long as an 11d. I found a great deal on Ebay for the shoe in 10.5E, but after wearing them a few times I think they may be a bit too wide, even though the length is good.

 



Thats the standard consensus on the 65 last. From your normal size. Down a half size, and up a width. YMMV and is best to try different sizes on. I know the 11.5 works best for me. However I'm on the smaller side of a D width so go back and forth which fits better. However def. do a D width in unlined shoes.
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Appealing to owners of both AE and Meermin

I wear a 8.5E in the Allen Edmonds 5-65 last and 9D in the AE 1-511 last and 9E in the AE 2-222 last.

Do you think a UK8 in the new Rey last would fit me well?
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My brown cordovan Dundees arrived. The look and feel of them put me in a rustic mood, so I took some pics with my Saddleback briefcase.
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congrats! those are gorgeous!
post #43289 of 48236

Brandie new Bourbon Mora 2.0 with Alden #8 LWB for color comparison

 

Strapping on the monks tomorrow for their first run, hoping they're as comfortable as they seemed in the AE store!

 

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You know, I wasn't trying to be explicitly rude or mean, but I can see how it would be interpreted this way. That is certainly why I added the clause that said explicitly I wasn't trying to be harsh.

 

That said, I did read the initial comment as sort of a jab considering I have been sounding this horn a lot recently in this thread.

 

Finally, I have a bit of a peeve concerning the idea of people just wearing what they want in spite of advice or urging to do otherwise a la "I'm gonna rock this anyways." The "rules" if you want to call them that are there for a reason and generally following them is a good idea. I am actually FOR the breaking of the rules in a tasteful and knowledgeable manner, but it seems that people just want to say "forget the rules, they're old and archaic, I'll dress how I want." If you do that before you bother to learn what rules you are breaking, the chances of your entire outfit failing increase exponentially. It may not have been intended that way, but I read OP's comment in this sense. Frankly, he did not break the rule well otherwise I would have given my kudos.

 

Finally, I would just like to say that I have learned an immense amount of knowledge about dressing well and combinations etc. since joining this forum. That said, I see a distinct lack of that sort of knowledge that I have come to enjoy and appreciate in THIS thread. This thread is like it's own little bubble, completely ignorant it seems to the standards that are so defended elsewhere on this forum. People may see that as a good or a bad thing, I personally feel that it's bad, as we have a ton of people in here buying excellent quality shoes without a clue about what to wear with them (this isn't true of everyone in here ofc, but I feel that a good percentage are in this category). Now, when I noticed this, I did explicitly ask about providing feedback, and everyone gave me the green light.

 

Ultimately, I like AE, I like dressing well, and I feel that I can offer some of the information and advice that I have accumulated. However, this thread is a little different animal than the majority of SF and I recognize that. I almost unsubscribed this morning and if people would rather not have me around I will leave, no problem. Just know however, I am not trying to be mean for the sake of being mean, but I actually just want to offer help and see people improve.

 

Luv2bereformed:  I think context will help explain the bubble that this thread can be.  For whatever reason, it seems the majority of SF newbies start out by deciding they need new shoes and end up on this thread where they are directed to purchase a few core AE's that always get recommended (Strands, Daltons, Park Avenues, McAllisters, etc.).  The newbs likes to share pictures of their new kicks and start planning their next purchases when there are sales on seconds.  A community forms.  Some share pictures of their new AE's on other SF threads (Recent Purchases or Rock Your Socks) and cannot understand why others outside this thread are not as supportive and thrilled with the purchase, which causes them to retreat to the bubble that is this thread.

 

This thread and its emphasis on seconds sales is the gateway drug to SF.  Some are casual users and never venture beyond this thread.  Some start feeling the itch to try something new and then move on to other threads on SF, such as C&J, Meermin or Carmina, and ask what size they shoud wear if they are a 10E in the AE 5 last.  Some realize that other parts of their look could use some work and venture out into the cold reality that is found on other threads on this forum and begin the journey that you and others have gone on.

 

This is a thread where virtually no one posts pictures on WAYWRN, the Good Taste Thread or other threads that focus on the rules and what works and does not work.  So, you inevitably get posts such as:  one poster recommending that walnut daltons go great with black slacks; another poster sharing a picture of himself in a black suit with a black shirt and red tie; numerous posters sporting their new balmoral kicks with jeans or casual slacks; and other things that would make regular posters cringe in other SF threads.  The aggravating factor for you is that, unlike other threads, many on this thread are not looking for advice on their looks and not interested in learning the rules.  They just want to be told how nice their new AE's look, share tips on how to care for their new shoes and get the inside information on current sales and promotions. Granted, this is not true for everyone on this thread, but responses like Indyoshi's are pretty par for the course in this thread.

 

It is what it is.  One tradeoff is that there is a real community on this thread with a camraderie amongst posters that puts most other threads to shame.  There is also a refreshing lack of snark and skirmishes.  There are also some individuals in this thread who I suspect are very sharp dressers, but simply choose not to post pictures.  For what it's worth, I hope you stick around and post pictures of shoes, socks and slacks that present your viewpoint on how things should be done.  Some will ignore it, but others will appreciate it.

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