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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post


Carmina gets navy and cognac shell from Horween? Interesting.

Is it trye that Trickers refuses to source shell from Horween because it's of unreliable quality? I'm pretty sure I read that here on SF.

Veering dangerously off-topic here, tho. I would buy a navy shell webgem from AE in a second...

 

I did heard of that somewhere, but not due to reliability, but due to the lack of color spectrum they want.

 

Or maybe they just have an anti-American heart....

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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post


Carmina gets navy and cognac shell from Horween? Interesting.

Is it trye that Trickers refuses to source shell from Horween because it's of unreliable quality? I'm pretty sure I read that here on SF.

Veering dangerously off-topic here, tho. I would buy a navy shell webgem from AE in a second...

 

I did heard of that somewhere, but not due to reliability, but due to the lack of color spectrum they want.

 

Or maybe they just have an anti-American heart....

 

It's possible that Carmina, like Rancourt, dyes shell itself.  Rancourt gets only natural and Color 8 from Horween, and dyes the former green, navy, etc.  It may also be true that what Carmina calls "cognac" is what Rancourt calls natural.

 

I'm sure there are other shell-hounds in this thread (are your ears burning, mdubs?) who know more about this than I do . . . .

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Originally Posted by halfnhalfnhalf View Post

It's possible that Carmina, like Rancourt, dyes shell itself.  Rancourt gets only natural and Color 8 from Horween, and dyes the former green, navy, etc.  It may also be true that what Carmina calls "cognac" is what Rancourt calls natural.

I'm sure there are other shell-hounds in this thread (are your ears burning, mdubs?) who know more about this than I do . . . .

Dig.
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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

Veering dangerously off-topic here, tho. I would buy a navy shell webgem from AE in a second...

 

Me too.  AE better get its act together!

 

One more fun comparison - left is Carmina navy shell, right is Rancourt navy shell:

 

 

And now, back to AE . . . ?

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Originally Posted by halfnhalfnhalf View Post
 

 

It's possible that Carmina, like Rancourt, dyes shell itself.  Rancourt gets only natural and Color 8 from Horween, and dyes the former green, navy, etc.  It may also be true that what Carmina calls "cognac" is what Rancourt calls natural.

 

I'm sure there are other shell-hounds in this thread (are your ears burning, mdubs?) who know more about this than I do . . . .

Well guys like Carmina had deeper relationship track-down with Horween, so I guess their reputation allows more accommodation and thus allow them to customize their order. Without sufficient knowledges, I bet nobody is willing enough to dye Shell Cordovan on their own.

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Carmina is not currently accepting any new shell orders due to scarcity of shell cordovan

Get those AE MTO shell orders in while you can!!!! wink.gif
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Originally Posted by halfnhalfnhalf View Post

It's possible that Carmina, like Rancourt, dyes shell itself.  Rancourt gets only natural and Color 8 from Horween, and dyes the former green, navy, etc.  It may also be true that what Carmina calls "cognac" is what Rancourt calls natural.

I'm sure there are other shell-hounds in this thread (are your ears burning, mdubs?) who know more about this than I do . . . .

Who? What? Oh Shell Colors!

I find Ashland Leather to be a good representation of what Horween actually produces. I am pretty certain that Cognac is indeed a Horween color. I am pretty certain that Horween makes Navy and Green shell, but probably in very limited quantities.

-Mike
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In case my prior message got buried from all the Shell goodness :-). 

 

What size do you take comparing the 8 last (lasalle, delray etc...) to the 5 last (Pa, Fa, Strands, Macallister) 

 

Thanks. 

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BB walnut fifth ave seconds. Some say calf and cotton don't mix but I like these pants with them.
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Originally Posted by JezeC View Post

In case my prior message got buried from all the Shell goodness :-). 



 



What size do you take comparing the 8 last (lasalle, delray etc...) to the 5 last (Pa, Fa, Strands, Macallister) 



 



Thanks. 


 



Length was the same for me on the 8 to the 5. 11.5. Seemed to get the ball of my foot in the right place. Tried my normal 12D and was to far back.

Width felt good on the 8 with a D. For me the 5 last D is snug but not uncomfortable/painful. E is a bit more generous but not falling off.

So my conclusion on the 8 is your normal width and down a half size. As always your mileage may vary.
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So the consensus is is to go down 1/2 a size but keep the same width for the 8 last compared to the 5 last? as in 8.5D 8-last = 9D 5-last?

I'm a 9D in the 5-last for sure, but if I go down to 8.5D, that's pretty much barrie last territory for me (I'm an 8.5D in the barrie last)...., I'll check it out. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by JezeC View Post

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So the consensus is is to go down 1/2 a size but keep the same width for the 8 last compared to the 5 last? as in 8.5D 8-last = 9D 5-last?

I'm a 9D in the 5-last for sure, but if I go down to 8.5D, that's pretty much barrie last territory for me (I'm an 8.5D in the barrie last)...., I'll check it out. Thanks.

No, no. Go down a half size in length from your brannock size, which would be the same as the 5 last.

As always YMMV
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Originally Posted by JezeC View Post

In case my prior message got buried from all the Shell goodness :-). 

What size do you take comparing the 8 last (lasalle, delray etc...) to the 5 last (Pa, Fa, Strands, Macallister) 

Thanks. 

My Brannock size is 9D and I take 9D in both the 5 and 8 last. I think the heel area is slightly wider on the 5 last and the rest of the shoe feels about the same.
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BB walnut fifth ave seconds. Some say calf and cotton don't mix but I like these pants with them.

 

Looking good!

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BB walnut fifth ave seconds. Some say calf and cotton don't mix but I like these pants with them.

 

Looks good to me!  Never heard of calf and cotton pants not pairing well together...

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