Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread - Page 257

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Originally Posted by jeust0999 

I want to get a pair of Jefferson wingtips or a Park ave (both last 5-65). But I've only tried on a Kenilworth in 8D at Nordstrom, it was way too tight and the toe box felt too long. I don't know what size to order my pair of factory seconds.

 

 

I have a pair of florsheim imperial wingtips in 8D.

My impression from owning several pairs of AE (including the Park Avenue) and 1 pair of Florsheim Veblen is that the Florsheim runs *at least* half a size larger.   So I would try a 8.5D first. 

The best thing you can do is to drive to an AE store or outlet and see which last/size combination fits you the best.    I had a problem where the number of available AE sizes in length and width is fairly limited my local Nordstrom.  So I drove 2 hours to the nearest AE store and tried on every last/size combination until I found the best one (9D, 5 last).  I don't know how far you are from an AE store, but if it is within a reasonable driving distance, make the trip.

In addition, note that sizing between the various shoe brands is a bit arbitrary.  So get measured on a Brannock Device.  Most shoe stores should have them.   Get both your left and right foot measured (foot size between your left and right feet may not be identical).   Also, get measured standing up (your foot expands if you stand up). 

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Originally Posted by dsmivtr 

I think it is important to keep in mind that correlation does not mean causation. I do not have the data of AE's production but my hypothesis is that the amount of 'Seconds' is not significantly more than what they had before (looking at odds ratio). There are a few confounding factors such as increased manufacturing (the more products made will lead to more 'Seconds'), number of newer workers (either domestic or international) which can lead to more possible defects, and the selective effect of the meticulousness of members on this Forum. In sum, I would guess that changes in labor practices is not a significant predictor of any change in quality.
I have owned many AE shoes in the past but recently shifted to other brands due to better last fit, style, or personal change in price point, not significant issues related to quality. It is a fine balance keeping their price-point to serve consumers while also making a profit (it is a business). I still find AE customer service second to none (although I have been treated rudely but some sales associated which I think is more due to the individual than the company). Where else can you wear shoes, create creases on shell cordovan, scratch up the leather bottom soles, and return or exchange them. Moreover, how many owners of major shoe manufacturers actually take the time to read and respond to fora such as SF and AAAC? For me, this is why I still maintain loyalty with AE.

I would have to agree on all points. I think the rapid expansion of AE and training of new employees is likely a larger problem. I sent my badly bowing pair of shell Bradley's back to AE and they hit their dock 3 weeks ago this coming Monday. I sent an email to them over a week ago asking for the status because I haven't heard from them. They replied that they were backed up at least 2 weeks on returns so looks like the number of returns is growing. Still have not heard from them.

Out of the 11 AE shoes I've purchased they are the first that I have returned. I really should have returned the made in DR Yuma, they were a total disaster, my fault for not sending them back. I ended up getting a pair of Bison leather boots on clearance from BB that were twice the shoe for half the money. On the other hand I am soaking my new AE boat shoes in leather conditioner this weekend, I find it an outstanding shoe and it is also made in the DR.

After I retired from the Navy I spent several years doing business process improvement consulting in the manufacturing sector. I really want to see AE be successful, and in a perfect world they would hire 100% American labor. However to be competitive I understand that it would be almost impossible, and I think the CEO of AE has a great long term vision. AE is also one of the few companies that supports the military by providing access to their product through the military exchange including custom orders. I will continue to support them based on that also. Despite the fact that I am still waiting on the status of exchanging my Bradley's for a proper pair I requested a quote for shell walnut Strands on Friday and will order them Monday. I love the color of the walnut shell Dalton boots that I have, but "need" a summer version LOL. And after seeing the picture a few posts back of the shell brown Strands, sighhhh