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I LOVE all three of those pairs.  Even if I wore each of them only once or twice a year, I would treasure them.

 

Polo, between your exotics, specimens like these, etc., you have one hell of a shoe collection.  Any chance you could post group pic(s) of all 50+?

I have older pics; nothing within the past six months or so, but enjoy:

 

AppleMark

Shell:

 

AppleMark

More shell:

AppleMark

 

This is probably 15 pairs or so ago:

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

 

This, to me, is pretty much the definition of "shoe porn."  I hope I live long enough to amass a collection like yours.  My hat is off to you, sir.  :worship:

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Is anyone familiar with the Hampton?

It is a discontinued Wingtip with combination of calf and grain leather. I want to make sure that it is not too casual looking to be wearing with a suit.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

I've got a pair of chili regent streets, which are longwings in chili calf over the wing and pebble over the vamp. I love them, and think they work quite well with more casual-fabric suits. I've got a navy linen-worsted blend suit that they look pretty sharp with..,
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So, I've worn my walnut strands 3 times now, and tonight when wiping them down after wearing, a piece seemed to chip off of the center. It's not a scuff, or nick. Seems like a dry bit of leather or something. Is this something that I should be worried about, or just deal with? They were seconds, but obviously this wasn't there when I received them. I haven't conditioned or polished at all since getting them.




Contact AE. They will take them back.
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would anybody know where i can buy AE in hong kong? i cant seem to find any leads as to any retailer carrying the brand.
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Don't think there are any retailers in Hong Kong, closest would be shanghai. Not sure if it is more expensive than buying in US though. I am in Singapore and I use a freight forwarder.
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Any idea when J.A.Bank holds their 3 for 25 shoe tree offer?
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Any idea when J.A.Bank holds their 3 for 25 shoe tree offer?

 

The answer to this is, pretty much all the time. That sale sort of comes back at least once a month and lasts for a few days so you just have to pay attention.

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Don't think there are any retailers in Hong Kong, closest would be shanghai. Not sure if it is more expensive than buying in US though. I am in Singapore and I use a freight forwarder.

 

 

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The answer to this is, pretty much all the time. That sale sort of comes back at least once a month and lasts for a few days so you just have to pay attention.

I'm not a regular JAB shopper, but it seems that the store has them on sale more often than the website.  I notice that Mark is in Singapore so going to the store is probably not the option for him.  The last time they had trees on sale on the website was early December ($8.5 a pair)

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The answer to this is, pretty much all the time. That sale sort of comes back at least once a month and lasts for a few days so you just have to pay attention.

This pretty much nails it. However, JAB likes to have "sales" for darn near every holiday. Look for something around Valentine's day.
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I'm not a regular JAB shopper, but it seems that the store has them on sale more often than the website.  I notice that Mark is in Singapore so going to the store is probably not the option for him.  The last time they had trees on sale on the website was early December ($8.5 a pair)

Ah no wonder, i resorted to subscribing to the irritating email newsletter hoping to chance upon a shoetree offer for the past month but have yet to see one! :D Shoe trees in Singapore are overpriced. They cost USD 50 a pair for one that has no brand. 

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This pretty much nails it. However, JAB likes to have "sales" for darn near every holiday. Look for something around Valentine's day.

That will be a nice Valentine's Day present~!

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If you can't wait till V-Day, you could try to call the stores to see if they have they have them on sale and if there is a quantity you can buy to qualify for free or discounted shipping.

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Just bought two pairs from AE so I can afford to wait. Don't think the number of new shoes will surpass the additional shoe trees I bought! But if you guys happen to see a sale for shoe trees going on, would very much appreciate a shoutout :fistbump:

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Why would you ask any of this when you seemed to reply so matter-of-factly while that conversation happened the first time around?

I don't remember this conversation happening before... What happened last friday (I think thats what you are referring to) was a different conversation as far as I'm concerned. I don't remember any of the questions that I asked yesterday being answered in last fridays "conversation." Maybe I just missed it, I don't know.

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IMO the seconds are an accepted trade off for the number of shoes they produce. I have been advised that EGs rejection rate is around 2%. EG uses much more handcrafting along the way. In addition their raw materials are much more expensive as such I am sure management frowns upon waste. Additionally I would bet EG discourages a seconds or subs market as it dilutes the brand. I was in CJ a couple of weeks ago and they were actually selling their subs in showroom which I found interesting. They had a few mto model rejects that were fairly unique.


Thanks for the info! I'd be interested in seeing just how fast it takes an Allen Edmonds shoemaker to put a shoe together. If I remember correctly they changed their processes so that one person puts one entire shoe together, whereas before, it was more of an assembly line type thing (one person is responsible for one part of the shoe). I wonder what effect this change in methods has on the final product of the shoes if any.

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@chinngiskhaan regards to your question about the number and frequency of seconds, I have to raise the question regarding the competency and experience of those involved in AE's manufacturing process.

 

From my understanding alot of the common flaws from seconds and even firsts is that we see uneven pinking/stitching, crooked lasting and bulging. Bulging, I think has been discussed at great length, and the culprit seems to be AE's manufacturing process. Stitching, pinking and general crookedness is more of a user error from the shoe crafts(wo)men at AE in Port Washington or the Domican Republic.

 

Now I'm not sure if in the DR they do the pinking and stitching, but I do recall that the workers there do make the uppers which I'm assuming is also to cut the patterns. From what it seems like, that doesn't seem to be the majority of the flaws we see in AE shoes. For the most part, the clickers seem to be doing a fine job following the set patterns. I'd imagine this isn't where most flaws occur since it's like cutting around a stencil (to put it in very simple terms).

 

When the shoes are stiched, lasted and finished in PW, it seems like this is where there is the most room for error. This would mean that 1)  this job might be more difficult and subject to the skill and judgment of the crafts(wo)man, or 2) there are not enough workers to keep up with demand which leads to less time allowed per shoe and less attention to detail or 3) the skill level of the employees is not as good enough to consistently produce near perfect shoes.

 

My guess is a combination of all three, but one point I'd like to make that I think gets forgotten is that the ones making shoes at Vass, G&G and John Lobb are low volume and also very few and likely skilled craftspeople who have been doing it for years and maybe even as a family trade. My guess at AE is that alot of people are trained after being hired to work on the factory floor. I say this because I don't believe there is any way Port Washington has that many shoe makers who are experienced to keep up with the demand. I haven't visited the factory, but I have to imagine that not all the shoe makers are ones who've been doing it for 25 years or those brought up through apprenticeship.

 

I think AE is unique in that their employees likely are newer at the craft, more likely to have turnover, have less time per shoe than many of these other makers and thus could produce more flawed shoes per employee. To me, this is the nature of the business and the sacrifices AE has to make to meet the demand and the price point they wish to sell their shoes at.

 

This isn't a knock against AE, as I personally only own AE shoes. Not because I think they are the best out there, but I think they put out a pretty good product for the price, even at $345 (which I've never paid for). The others at this price range are either relatively new and untested (Paul Evans) or inconvenient due to lack of domestic presence (Meermin). I would eventually like to get some Carminas, Alden shells or C&Js but currently the value isn't there for me.

 

I think overall we're pretty critical of shoes on this thread and like they say, bad news travels faster and I'd say more pervasively than good news. For every one person here that posts flaws in their first quality shoes, there are probably many more shoes AE produces with no real issues. I would say that AE could do a better job with some of our special make ups and there seems to be a disproportionate number being sent back, but I think that making one off shoes in a different material than their stock catalog might be more difficult than we think.

 

This post went on alot longer than I originally planned and I rambled, but just my two cents on the whole AE flaws "issue". Also, I guess I started the whole debate a few days back about the acceptability of bowing with the post about my Delrays. Totally did not mean for that to happen....:stirpot:


Thanks! I think you've got a lot of valid points. It seems like maybe a combination of what everyone is saying. Like you say, clearly there is no way the AE craftsman are as trained as those that work on the higher end brands, and like others have said, it's not really in AE's best interest to hire the best of the best when it comes to shoe making because A. They make far more shoes a year than any of the higher end brands B. The materials AE uses are not as expensive as the materials used by the higher end brands C. AE's seconds market is a big part of their income, so they don't worry as much as the higher end brands do about a shoe being imperfect.

 

And yes, AE shoes are in my opinion more than acceptable at their price range, and like I said in my original post I personally have never had any issues with AE shoes, nor have I ever seen these issues in another persons shoes outside of the online realm.

 

I also liked your point about bad news traveling fast. I'm sure that the vast majority of their shoes are major flaw free.

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