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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

I think the tongue's on my daltons aren't on straight. I was wondering why they were dashing off to the side when I got them.

This happened with one of the boots on my mto daltons. The whole boot was skewed pull tabs, toungue, upper(resulted in misalligned eyelets) etc. I contacted Allison and she refunded me $400. The defects do not bother me to the point that I wanted a refund. Did I exepect more care from a mto, absolutely. At the end of the day I received walnut cordovan boots for $300, I am good with that.
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Originally Posted by chinngiskhaan View Post


you are correct in this assertion... Nobody had a problem with this particular assertion. People jumped down your throat when you chose to compare AE with higher and lower priced shoes when doing so just doesn't make sense.

 

If you can get a better shoe for $250-$275 along with AE's well documented excellent customer service let me know.

 

It should be noted that if you do get a shoe that is bowing as a result of "improper lasting" that you can always return it and get a different pair that doesn't have that issue. So yeah... If you feel you should be getting more for $250-$275 then you can have fun wearing shoes that as far as I know don't exist... If you do find such a shoe at a price point equal to AE's congratulations to you!

 



I feel I should be getting more for $350 shoes, whether they are perpetually discounted to a lower price or not. If you think the manufacturer retail price is an unfair basis for comparison - that's fine. But I don't agree with that, either.

And as I said - I have not drawn comparison between AE and cheaper manufacturers in any generalized sense. I have said that the fact that this defect isn't prevalent in cheaper shoes makes it that much more galling coming from the more expensive AE. Which means - try to follow me here - that I expect MORE and BETTER from AE than I do from cheaper brands.

You are entirely free to expect less. I am expressing my expectations - I am not trying to impose them upon you.

Got it now?
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This thread is impressing me today, reasonable minds disagreeing and engaging in gentlemanly dialogue. Good stuff.
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post
 
 

I wasn't directly comparing them.


I was saying that a manufacturing process that does not allow sufficient time for lasting, resulting in shoes that lose their shape in a gentle breeze is unacceptable at the $350 price point. Unacceptable to me, that is - you are more than welcome to your own view on the subject. But kindly allow me to state my own.

The fact that many cheaper shoes do not exhibit this defect just makes it that much more galling coming from AE, in my view. I was not advancing the proposition that said cheaper shoes are equivalent to or better than AE in all aspects of their materials and construction or in any general sense whatsoever.

assuming that atmospheric pressure is the only force acting upon a pair of shoes at any given time is quite narrow minded, there is gravity to consider as well. :D

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Originally Posted by chris45 View Post

I have a matching belt for my walnut Strand.. now need suggestions on a matching belt for my bourbon Kenilworth's... =]

I know there are tons of threads on shoe care, etc.. but I'm just reading and already overwhelmed.  Where is a good place to purchase shoe care brushes from? Looking to grab a few.. one for cleaning/dirty .. and then two for the different colors (walnut + bourbon polish).  I have some extra shoe bags so will be cutting them up for shoe care use...

What kind of cleaner/conditioner do the AE fans use? The AE products or something else?  I picked up the AE walnut/bourbon polish when I ordered my shoes.


So the very simple, basics.. apply leather cleaner (reno/whatever), let dry, brush, apply polish? Am I at least on the right path before digging into a 515 page shoe care thread? heh

I think it's fine to use AE shoe care products on AE shoes. I have shoe care products from AE, Alden, & Saphir, and to be perfectly honest, I think they all work pretty well and I can't really say that one works better than another. (don't get me wrong, I love the Saphir products and will continue to buy them, but I can't provide any hard evidence on why they are better)

Regarding brushes, I get horsehair brushes either from AE during one of their sales, or the Kiwi brushes sold at Target. I use them on all my shoes, from AE to G&G, and I've been happy with them. I did get a Saphir horsehair brush that retails more than double the AE brush as a gift last year, and I can't really tell much difference between them.
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post
 
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Originally Posted by chinngiskhaan View Post
 


you are correct in this assertion... Nobody had a problem with this particular assertion. People jumped down your throat when you chose to compare AE with higher and lower priced shoes when doing so just doesn't make sense.

 

If you can get a better shoe for $250-$275 along with AE's well documented excellent customer service let me know.

 

It should be noted that if you do get a shoe that is bowing as a result of "improper lasting" that you can always return it and get a different pair that doesn't have that issue. So yeah... If you feel you should be getting more for $250-$275 then you can have fun wearing shoes that as far as I know don't exist... If you do find such a shoe at a price point equal to AE's congratulations to you!

 



I feel I should be getting more for $350 shoes, whether they are perpetually discounted to a lower price or not. If you think the manufacturer retail price is an unfair basis for comparison - that's fine. But I don't agree with that, either.

And as I said - I have not drawn comparison between AE and cheaper manufacturers in any generalized sense. I have said that the fact that this defect isn't prevalent in cheaper shoes makes it that much more galling coming from the more expensive AE. Which means - try to follow me here - that I expect MORE and BETTER from AE than I do from cheaper brands.

You are entirely free to expect less. I am expressing my expectations - I am not trying to impose them upon you.

Got it now?


I understand that you expect more and better from AE, I'm here to tell you that if you expect more and better, unless you know of a shoe brand that produces better quality shoes than AE at their $250-$275 price point, you'd better start developing those callouses on your feet because you'll need them from all the barefoot walking around you'll be doing.

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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post

 

Your post lambasting the manufacturing process that does not allow sufficient time on the lasts makes no sense if the bowing is a relatively minor and infrequent occurrence.  If you are not makig this assumption, then why the over-the-top rhetoric about the shoes losing their shape in a "gentle breeze" and how "galling" and "unacceptable" this is?

 

Bowing occurs, no question, which is why I acknowledge you have a valid concern.  I just don't think it's cause for gathering outside the doors with pitchforks and torches.  I also responded because, as noted previously, I do not think AE should be compared to shoes at the $350-400 price point.

 



I have not said how frequent the problem occurs no matter how strained your attempts to suggest that I have. It simply did not happen. I stand by what I said, but I can't answer for what you want to read into my posts.

In contrast, you HAVE said that the problem is "relatively minor and infrequent". May I inquire as to your basis for this assertion - or are you just making it up?

And again - if shoes exhibit bowing fresh out of the box and placed on a store shelf - how is describing the loss of shape in a gentle breeze an exaggeration? Is it somehow less of a problem that they lose their shape in no breeze at all - gentle or otherwise? All on their own? Just sitting there in a climate-controlled store in a climate-controlled mall?

Once more - I never mentioned $400. That is yet another fabrication on your part. I said $350 - which is pretty much an average retail price for AE shoes in my neighborhood, not counting the significantly more expensive shell.
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Originally Posted by chinngiskhaan View Post


I understand that you expect more and better from AE,.

 



Good. That's a start, at least.
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post
 
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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post
 

 

Your post lambasting the manufacturing process that does not allow sufficient time on the lasts makes no sense if the bowing is a relatively minor and infrequent occurrence.  If you are not makig this assumption, then why the over-the-top rhetoric about the shoes losing their shape in a "gentle breeze" and how "galling" and "unacceptable" this is?

 

Bowing occurs, no question, which is why I acknowledge you have a valid concern.  I just don't think it's cause for gathering outside the doors with pitchforks and torches.  I also responded because, as noted previously, I do not think AE should be compared to shoes at the $350-400 price point.

 



I have not said how frequent the problem occurs no matter how strained your attempts to suggest that I have. It simply did not happen. I stand by what I said, but I can't answer for what you want to read into my posts.

In contrast, you HAVE said that the problem is "relatively minor and infrequent". May I inquire as to your basis for this assertion - or are you just making it up?

And again - if shoes exhibit bowing fresh out of the box and placed on a store shelf - how is describing the loss of shape in a gentle breeze an exaggeration? Is it somehow less of a problem that they lose their shape in no breeze at all - gentle or otherwise? All on their own? Just sitting there in a climate-controlled store in a climate-controlled mall?

Once more - I never mentioned $400. That is yet another fabrication on your part. I said $350 - which is pretty much an average retail price for AE shoes in my neighborhood, not counting the significantly more expensive shell.

you said $350+

 

I think it's fair to assume that $350+ would include $400. 350+ would include any number greater than 350. Maybe you didn't intend to imply that with your post, but thats what you said, so any backlash you receive as a result is entirely your fault. Go back to the pages from the last couple of days to read our discussion about being thorough in your posts in an effort to avoid this sort of misunderstanding.

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It's ironic that this is all happening just a day or two after our conversation about misunderstandings in posts on the forum.

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Originally Posted by chinngiskhaan View Post

you said $350+

 

I think it's fair to assume that $350+ would include $400. 350+ would include any number greater than 350. Maybe you didn't intend to imply that with your post, but thats what you said, so any backlash you receive as a result is entirely your fault. Go back to the pages from the last couple of days to read our discussion about being thorough in your posts in an effort to avoid this sort of misunderstanding.

 



No. I didn't. I said $350. Go back and read posts 36351, 356 and 382 again. Those are the only posts that I can see where I mentioned price. On each occasion, I said $350. Not $350+. Not $400.

Or you could just keep up with your buddy New Shoes and make stuff up instead.

Not that it really matters. Whatever price point you wish to assign to AE or their competitors is just a red herring. I don't think the bowing is acceptable from AE. You are free to think what you like. It doesn't matter to me that you hold a different view - I don't expect everyone to see things the way that I do.

I do find it curious, however, that it seems to matter very much to others that I hold a different view.
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post
 
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Originally Posted by chinngiskhaan View Post
 

you said $350+

 

I think it's fair to assume that $350+ would include $400. 350+ would include any number greater than 350. Maybe you didn't intend to imply that with your post, but thats what you said, so any backlash you receive as a result is entirely your fault. Go back to the pages from the last couple of days to read our discussion about being thorough in your posts in an effort to avoid this sort of misunderstanding.

 



No. I didn't. I said $350. Go back and read posts 36351, 356 and 382 again. Those are the only posts that I can see where I mentioned price. On each occasion, I said $350. Not $350+. Not $400.

Or you could just keep up with your buddy New Shoes and make stuff up instead.

Not that it really matters. Whatever price point you wish to assign to AE or their competitors is just a red herring. I don't think the bowing is acceptable from AE. You are free to think what you like. It doesn't matter to me that you hold a different view - I don't expect everyone to see things the way that I do.

I do find it curious, however, that it seems to matter very much to others that I hold a different view.


my apologies, it wasn't you... it was the person whose assertion you were defending. I wrongly stated that you said that, and I apologize. Maybe New Shoes made the same mistake.

 

Someone else said $350+, we disagreed with his post, you defended it... and thus started the confusion which I most assuredly contributed to.

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Originally Posted by chris45 View Post
 

@coolarrow -- yes paid second prices (and also with the 50/100 discount)

@Sprint76 -- those you just received have the same issue?


Thank you everyone for the opinions/thoughts on the Kenilworth seconds.. since others are reporting the same similar 'issue' on their Kenilworth's and also reporting it on a pair of Kenilworth factory seconds also recently received.. I think it's probably in my best interest to just go ahead and keep them... 

 

I would just hate to send them back and get a different issue I disliked even more, or to get another one with the same thing =] 

 

I'm really liking the Neumok's ... now just to decide what I'm going to grab on the next Factory Seconds sale in Feb... PA and Neumok's or PA and some loafers.. who knows :)

Yep, exact same issue (see pic). I paid well under $200 for these, so it doesn't bother me. Had I paid more, I'd be a little more anxious.

 

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Originally Posted by chinngiskhaan View Post


my apologies, it wasn't you... it was the person whose assertion you were defending. I wrongly stated that you said that, and I apologize. Maybe New Shoes made the same mistake.

Someone else said $350+, we disagreed with his post, you defended it... and thus started the confusion which I most assuredly contributed to.

can we move along? Roger expects more from AE for his money, you expect better photos on the AE website, everyone has their own opinion and lets just leave it at that
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So.. when is the next sale gents? Want to pick up some seconds.
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