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Last pair from the order showed up today.

Bourbon Kenilworths

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The whole collection

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^Those Kenilworths are nice....great color

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Originally Posted by chris45 View Post
 

So here is a shot with them laced (not sure the best way to lace the 3 eyelets) and on my feet.. 

 

It does appear since lacing and putting them on, the creases are not as bad and not as noticeable; however, I'm curious on the ability to blend the colors a bit there (I'm new to quality shoe care/maintenance).  

 

And they do fit great...... 

 

 

 

Thanks for everyone's thoughts!


Mine have the exact same issue. Seems to be better when laced and tightened, so I'm not too worried about it. Obviously if they were firsts, I would ship back, but for seconds it doesn't bother me. It helps that these are the most comfortable of the 3 AE pairs I have (Strand and Park Ave).

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Picked up these Delrays at Century 21 in NJ over the holidays for basically 66% off. I feel like these aren't posted here at all so I figured I'd share.

 

I didn't have a split-toe in the rotation I figured I needed at least a second black shoe to wear in the evenings other than my PAs. These are my first pair on the 8-last and the last is easily one of the more attractive ones AE has. Unfortunately I get pretty good bowing around the ankles so I haven't decided if I want to keep these. Is there a consensus on what causes bowing? Is it just a foot vs last issue? The shoe is pretty comfortable otherwise.

 

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Originally Posted by OptoDoc View Post
 

 

This confirms it. These are my next purchase.


Do it! The lack of a toe cap, wingtip, or other heavy broguing makes the Vernon look much sleeker than most other AE shoes, IMO.

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Originally Posted by NWTeal View Post
 

Picked up these Delrays at Century 21 in NJ over the holidays for basically 66% off. I feel like these aren't posted here at all so I figured I'd share.

 

I didn't have a split-toe in the rotation I figured I needed at least a second black shoe to wear in the evenings other than my PAs. These are my first pair on the 8-last and the last is easily one of the more attractive ones AE has. Unfortunately I get pretty good bowing around the ankles so I haven't decided if I want to keep these. Is there a consensus on what causes bowing? Is it just a foot vs last issue? The shoe is pretty comfortable otherwise.

 

I purchased several pairs on sale for approximately $125 per pair and after they were delivered and I tried them on I thought they were horrible compared to Park Ave and other styles.  Perhaps, it was just the fit of the last but I did not like these at all and when compared to other options I decided not to keep them.  I personally liked the Park Ave, Strand, Elgin, Bruce, McAllister more than the Delray.

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Originally Posted by jonesle7 View Post
 

I purchased several pairs on sale for approximately $125 per pair and after they were delivered and I tried them on I thought they were horrible compared to Park Ave and other styles.  Perhaps, it was just the fit of the last but I did not like these at all and when compared to other options I decided not to keep them.  I personally liked the Park Ave, Strand, Elgin, Bruce, McAllister more than the Delray.

Yeah, like I said, they don't get too much love on here. Even I personally only sort of like the split-toe style. At $115 for firsts I couldn't pass it up since I was lacking on a second pair of black shoes, which I may or may not need.

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Almost bought bourbon Kenilworths this week but I still prefer cap toe shoes so I went with bourbon Park Aves. I'd been wearing a medium brown Alden for years and I think they're on the final stretch.

I also own merlot Park Aves and walnut Strands so I'm probably all set for a while now.
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Originally Posted by NWTeal View Post
 

Yeah, like I said, they don't get too much love on here. Even I personally only sort of like the split-toe style. At $115 for firsts I couldn't pass it up since I was lacking on a second pair of black shoes, which I may or may not need.

 

Sounds like me trying to convince myself I need the McTavish in black when I have never even actually worn the black Park Ave's that I already own.

 

I actually really like the look of the Delray and that is why I purchased it.  That shoe reminded me a lot of some Johnson & Murphy shoes that I have....but then like I said that last just didn't fit that well and I also realized that many of the other options were better than the Delray.

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Originally Posted by jonesle7 View Post
 

Sounds like me trying to convince myself I need the McTavish in black when I have never even actually worn the black Park Ave's that I already own.

 

Well, if you need any external convincing:

 

They're very different shoes, and honestly have pretty disjoint uses. If you can get away with wearing one, you likely would have a hard time pulling off the other. So, yeah, get the McTavish, too. ;)

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Chris45,

I would keep those (if you paid 2nds prices).

 

Also, I don't have any split toes, but I think that you should get them to fit tight initially since they apparently widen more since there is a middle seam in there.  That is, compared to a captoe that doesn't as much.

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Originally Posted by NWTeal View Post
 

Picked up these Delrays at Century 21 in NJ over the holidays for basically 66% off. I feel like these aren't posted here at all so I figured I'd share.

 

I didn't have a split-toe in the rotation I figured I needed at least a second black shoe to wear in the evenings other than my PAs. These are my first pair on the 8-last and the last is easily one of the more attractive ones AE has. Unfortunately I get pretty good bowing around the ankles so I haven't decided if I want to keep these. Is there a consensus on what causes bowing? Is it just a foot vs last issue? The shoe is pretty comfortable otherwise.

 

 

 

While it certainly can be a defect that causes bowing, I think the majority of cases result from the last not being ideal for some nuance of your particular foot (instep, ankle girth, etc.).

 

AE has taken some back and said that they discovered some issues with the leather itself that resulted in the issue.  It can also happen if the shoes aren't on the last long enough (AE only leaves shoes on the last for around 24 hours, while some of the more expensive brands leave them on the last for several weeks).  Long term storage of the shoes on their sides, with no shoe trees can potentially cause problems, but not always.

 

All that said, I think that people who try multiple pairs with the same results simply aren't facing the fact that the last isn't an ideal fit for their foot, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by MoneyWellSpent View Post

 

While it certainly can be a defect that causes bowing, I think the majority of cases result from the last not being ideal for some nuance of your particular foot (instep, ankle girth, etc.).

 

AE has taken some back and said that they discovered some issues with the leather itself that resulted in the issue.  It can also happen if the shoes aren't on the last long enough (AE only leaves shoes on the last for around 24 hours, while some of the more expensive brands leave them on the last for several weeks).  Long term storage of the shoes on their sides, with no shoe trees can potentially cause problems, but not always.

 

All that said, I think that people who try multiple pairs with the same results simply aren't facing the fact that the last isn't an ideal fit for their foot, in my opinion.

 



I don't pretend to know the cause in the majority of the cases but I do know that on MANY occasions, I have seen brand new on the shelf AE shoes at various retailers that were bowing just sitting there. Now, there may well be explanations unrelated to defects in manufacturing to explain each of these instances - and also the many instances of bowing reported here by thread participants over the years. But I can't help but think that with this much smoke, there's likely a fire.
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Originally Posted by MoneyWellSpent View Post
 

 

While it certainly can be a defect that causes bowing, I think the majority of cases result from the last not being ideal for some nuance of your particular foot (instep, ankle girth, etc.).

 

AE has taken some back and said that they discovered some issues with the leather itself that resulted in the issue.  It can also happen if the shoes aren't on the last long enough (AE only leaves shoes on the last for around 24 hours, while some of the more expensive brands leave them on the last for several weeks).  Long term storage of the shoes on their sides, with no shoe trees can potentially cause problems, but not always.

 

All that said, I think that people who try multiple pairs with the same results simply aren't facing the fact that the last isn't an ideal fit for their foot, in my opinion.

 

There has been extensive commentary on this and, if I recall correctly, even a comment from Paul G. on the subject.  MWS is correct that it is generally regarded as a combination of factors involving:  (i) not enough time on the last and too much time on the shelf; (ii) fit issues for that last; and (iii) a manufacturing defect.  One and two are the most common culprits, but people have received new shoes directly from the factory that have had bowing.  I believe Cold Iron received such a pair, measured the opening, compared that measurement to another shoe on the same last, and concluded the shoe's measurements were off (defective) where the bowing occurred.

 

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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post
 

I don't pretend to know the cause in the majority of the cases but I do know that on MANY occasions, I have seen brand new on the shelf AE shoes at various retailers that were bowing just sitting there. Now, there may well be explanations unrelated to defects in manufacturing to explain each of these instances - and also the many instances of bowing reported here by thread participants over the years. But I can't help but think that with this much smoke, there's likely a fire.

 

No doubt sitting on retail shelves exacerbates the issue.  I wonder how much additional time on the last would be necessary to reduce the number of shoes with this defect.

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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post
 

I don't pretend to know the cause in the majority of the cases but I do know that on MANY occasions, I have seen brand new on the shelf AE shoes at various retailers that were bowing just sitting there. Now, there may well be explanations unrelated to defects in manufacturing to explain each of these instances - and also the many instances of bowing reported here by thread participants over the years. But I can't help but think that with this much smoke, there's likely a fire.

 

They may well be cases of not being left on the last long enough in those instances.  I think they take a relatively minimum approach to how long they leave the shoes on the last.  The longer the better, but their production output doesn't really allow for what would be more ideal.  Not necessarily making excuses for that, but it I do think it falls into the realm of expedient manufacturing to save costs, and getting what you pay for, yada yada yada...

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