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post #36196 of 43090
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Originally Posted by tampatravel View Post
 

I don't know if anyone else has had this issue, but my BB Park Ave's fit tight like glove...my Elgin's fit perfect same with the Neumok...and the Strands I got for Christmas fit super super tight. So, I've decided to go up to a 12E. I hope this works out, but I was wondering if anyone else had gone though similar issues.

 

I'm not 100% sure but I believe all of these shoes are on the same last too!

 

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Originally Posted by MoneyWellSpent View Post
 

 

 

 

Also, the Poron insole in the Brooks Brothers models takes up some additional space in the shoe, making those models fit more tightly.

 

BB Park Ave, Neumok and (I'm assuming AE, not BB) Strand are all 5 last shoes, but the Neumok can't be compared, it seems - it's just made differently (unlined, too). If the BB PA has a poron insole and that reduces the volume of the shoe, it should fit tighter, not looser. I've noticed in wearing the PA, 5th Ave, Mcallister and Strand (all 5 last) is that the PA and the 5th Ave ALWAYS have more volume (almost closed "V" versus .5 - .75 inch "V" on the Strand & Mcallister, which rubbed my right pinky toe a bit until stretch) - and all are an 11E. 

 

I've even noticed a difference in fit between shoes in the same style (two strands or two Mcallisters) of the same size, and I am positive I am not the only one with this experience.  People are apt to say 'but they're handmade shoes...they will never all be the same'. Yes - but they should all FIT the same, or not so dissimilar that you're swimming in one shoe and another is snug fitting... That's QC, and - whether or not it's seen as sacrilege in the thread - the quality of AE shoes seems to be suffering recently, whether it's leather quality (two different pairs of Daltons with VASTLY different leather thickness, fit and construction). what shoes are coming out of the factory as "firsts" (I've gotten two new shoes from Chicago flagship store in the last 2 months that were EASILY seconds), and everyone of AE's staff is NOT an Allison Meyer... Some reps are downright discourteous when responding to these issues.  

 

Part of the "appreciation" of the brand (and it's shoes) should be the honest assessment of different aspects of the product, where the brand stands now vs years ago (tradition, reputation, continued commitment to quality), and it's comparison to other similar makers in terms of value.

 

Some of these things are 'hits' for AE, some are a 'foul tip'. I will add missing styles I like (not many left), and move on to other brands for more variety (different lasts, more stylish offerings). I will repurchase my favorites (if I ever wear them out), as some are worthy of such loyalty.

 

Lambaste me at your leisure... But I'm sure ALL of the senior members of the forum's shoes range outside of Allen Edmonds' offerings.  It's the spice of life...

post #36197 of 43090
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Originally Posted by MoneyWellSpent View Post



Also, the Poron insole in the Brooks Brothers models takes up some additional space in the shoe, making those models fit more tightly.

Ah I forgot the BB models have that insole. A 7E non-BB model would probably fit me perfectly on the strand without a snug fit. 7.5E BB strand is already a no go for me
post #36198 of 43090
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Originally Posted by Indyoshi68 View Post
 

 

BB Park Ave, Neumok and (I'm assuming AE, not BB) Strand are all 5 last shoes, but the Neumok can't be compared, it seems - it's just made differently (unlined, too). If the BB PA has a poron insole and that reduces the volume of the shoe, it should fit tighter, not looser. I've noticed in wearing the PA, 5th Ave, Mcallister and Strand (all 5 last) is that the PA and the 5th Ave ALWAYS have more volume (almost closed "V" versus .5 - .75 inch "V" on the Strand & Mcallister, which rubbed my right pinky toe a bit until stretch) - and all are an 11E.

 

 

Just making sure you realized that we did say that the Poron insole makes it fit tighter (see previous posts).  I may have mistaken your post to be a correction of previous comments, if I have, please excuse me.  You bolded the word "tighter."

post #36199 of 43090

Curse not being able to try on much locally in various widths lol, I have a small collection of AE shoes and here is my experience with the different last so far with them. For reference I measure between an 8 and 8.5 on the Brannock (when I did the home one from AE I measured around a 9, so thought I sized down on the McAllister). These are in order of my purchases and trying to learn from my mistakes haha. All shoes are wearable but hopefully I can upgrade to better fits in the future on some of these.

 


McAllister 8.5D Walnut - This fit great at first and I figured I was bang on but once the cork bed settled I think I should have went with an 8D, I can fully lace them with close to no gap now and get a slight heel slippage.

 

Kenwood 8D - Brown Grain - Got these on clearance when they were like $80 and have no regrets so far, fit is good sockless but have only had a chance to wear a few times. I guess we will see if they possibly stretch out too much come spring time.

 

Dalton 8D Bourbon (Seconds) - Kind of figured this would be good as I actually tried on both the 8D and 8.5D in store and found the 8.5D to slip a bit in the heel and the 8D was just slightly snug in the width so I ordered the 8D from the Shoe Bank. After a few days of wearing and some pinky toe rubbing I opted to throw on some extra socks to try and give myself a bit more room hoping they would stretch and they have but only a bit. If I am sitting everything feels great but when I walk I get a bit of that rubbing from the leather folding on the pinky toe still. I am at about 10-15 light wearings and the cork bed has settled a bit. I am still hoping these may break in some more otherwise I am not sure what size to go with next, maybe 8.5D and lace them tight to avoid heel slippage but will give me more room in the toe box. I am not sure on this one where to go size wise if I get another pair.

 

Eagle County 8D Tan (Seconds) - The elongated toe on this one gave me better fit in the width and toes despite the poron insole making it more snug, the heel has a folded piece of leather that bugs me after a full 8 hour+ wearing but I think that should soften up with wear. Have only worn these around 5 times and so far so good.

 

Bayfield 8D Brown CXL - I got worried about these ones as they were on the same last as the Dalton which didn't seem to be working out great and after finding out it had the poron insole I was thinking it would fit much too tight but out of the box it felt pretty good. Snug but not painful in any way and the CXL leather gave room pretty quick and after about 5 wearings they are more comfortable than the Dalton. These should be perfect once I hit the 30 wear mark.

 

BB Park Ave 8.5D Brown (Seconds) - Got a good price on these used from a member her and figured the poron insole would give me a bit more tightness in the vamp, It does do that but the slight heel slippage is still there that I have in the McAllister. Maybe even a bit more because you are constantly sinking in/out of that insole with each step. Just got these and have only worn them once

 

 

 

 

 

Here is the stuff I would like next..

 

Strand 8D - Brown Cordovan

Dalton 8.5D? (maybe) - Dark Chocolate or possibly replace the Bourbon

I also want a few Aldens but will have to take to those guys to help with sizing before I do anything on those lol

post #36200 of 43090
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Originally Posted by MoneyWellSpent View Post
 

 

Just making sure you realized that we did say that the Poron insole makes it fit tighter (see previous posts).  I may have mistaken your post to be a correction of previous comments, if I have, please excuse me.  You bolded the word "tighter."

 

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Originally Posted by tampatravel View Post
 

I don't know if anyone else has had this issue, but my BB Park Ave's fit tight like glove...my Elgin's fit perfect same with the Neumok...and the Strands I got for Christmas fit super super tight. So, I've decided to go up to a 12E. I hope this works out, but I was wondering if anyone else had gone though similar issues.

 

I'm not 100% sure but I believe all of these shoes are on the same last too!

 

MoneyWellSpent... It was a response to the comments of the OP (see juuuust above this... "...my BB Park Ave's FIT LIKE A GLOVE...and the Strands I got for Christmas FIT SUPER SUPER TIGHT.

 

What this made me realize was that the OP's shoe WITH Poron insole, in the same size and last, DID NOT fit as tightly as the Strand WITHOUT Poron insole...which was the impetus for my subsequent commentary on the inconsistencies I've found in my recent AE purchases.  What I did forget to add was that my PA and 5th Aves. were AE branded, without poron insoles.

 

No correction in responses/comments was attempted, or intended... Hopefully tampatravel got where I was going with my response, though.  

 

I wasn't trying to be pretentious, just give my take on the post, from my experience...I take my time when I try to offer comments in the thread - the AE backlash can be quite vicious at times, though not recently. Are you with me now, MWS?  :fistbump: 

 

Oh... additionally, even if the shoes are both BB branded, both with poron insoles, the last is the same and the fit is different for OP. OK...now I think I've covered my six in all areas of my comment. 

post #36201 of 43090
Good news: finally heard back from Allison, looks like she's almost all caught up from vacation. She provided a shipping label immediately

Bad news: it sounds like I may need to wait for another pair to be made and sent out. I inquired specifically about just having the stitch fixed (the shoes were otherwise perfect), but got no response on that front. So I may get back a shoe that has more issues than the one I'm getting rid of.

So begins another 6 weeks of waiting for $600 shoes that haven't been worn yet.
post #36202 of 43090
anyone here remember what last the Austin wholecut was on? I might have the opportunity to pick up a pair
post #36203 of 43090
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Originally Posted by LeviMay View Post

Gentlemen, a quick question: Merlot vs Burgundy. Thoughts? Comparison pics?

 

My understanding is that, at least with AE's current offerings, Merlot is a color of calfskin while Burgundy is a color of shell cordovan. So you first want to decide whether you want calf or (the more expensive) shell, and after that the decision of which "wine" color has already been made for you.

post #36204 of 43090
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Originally Posted by Indyoshi68 View Post
 

 

MoneyWellSpent... It was a response to the comments of the OP (see juuuust above this... "...my BB Park Ave's FIT LIKE A GLOVE...and the Strands I got for Christmas FIT SUPER SUPER TIGHT."

 

What this made me realize was that the OP's shoe WITH Poron insole, in the same size and last, DID NOT fit as tightly as the Strand WITHOUT Poron insole...which was the impetus for my subsequent commentary on the inconsistencies I've found in my recent AE purchases.  What I did forget to add was that my PA and 5th Aves. were AE branded, without poron insoles.

 

No correction in responses/comments was attempted, or intended... Hopefully tampatravel got where I was going with my response, though.

 

I wasn't trying to be pretentious, just give my take on the post, from my experience...I take my time when I try to offer comments in the thread - the AE backlash can be quite vicious at times, though not recently. Are you with me now, MWS?  :fistbump: 

 

Oh... additionally, even if the shoes are both BB branded, both with poron insoles, the last is the same and the fit is different for OP. OK...now I think I've covered my six in all areas of my comment. 

 

There seems to be a lot of heated emotion behind your post, but that's fine.  For what it's worth, he did say that the BB Park Ave's fit tight (see his post), just not as tight as the Strand.  Also, for what it's worth, I would expect that (I assumed he was referring to the BB Strand, and may be wrong).

 

I'm not making any excuses for inconsistencies beyond what should be expected for different shoes made on the same last (i.e., different leathers, different amounts of stitching, differences in how many pieces of leather a shoe is made from, different insoles, different lacing styles, etc.).  If you have two pairs of Park Avenues with no difference between them, but each fits drastically different, there's no excuse.  It's an issue.  However, there are more variables to consider between shoes of very different styles than just the type of leather and the insole.  The Strand and McAllister are made of more pieces of leather and use significantly more stitching (which will change how they conform to the last, and how they stretch over time).

 

I didn't see anyone giving you vicious backlash, but I may have missed it.  If you read it into my post, I sure didn't mean it that way.  I maintain a practical standpoint on shoes, and don't get offended when people don't appreciate something about a particular brand, including AE.  It's not my company.


Edited by MoneyWellSpent - 1/7/14 at 11:28am
post #36205 of 43090
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Originally Posted by GooseG View Post

Good news: finally heard back from Allison, looks like she's almost all caught up from vacation. She provided a shipping label immediately

Bad news: it sounds like I may need to wait for another pair to be made and sent out. I inquired specifically about just having the stitch fixed (the shoes were otherwise perfect), but got no response on that front. So I may get back a shoe that has more issues than the one I'm getting rid of.

So begins another 6 weeks of waiting for $600 shoes that haven't been worn yet.

Good luck.

Just for the record, six weeks is an incredibly fast turnaround for a pair of MTO shoes. Not trying to come off like a jerk or anything, but I doubt you'll find any other manufacturer who can even come close to this. There are several folks on here who have waited several months for their MTO's from AE.
post #36206 of 43090
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Originally Posted by fiestaplatypus View Post

Good luck.

Just for the record, six weeks is an incredibly fast turnaround for a pair of MTO shoes. Not trying to come off like a jerk or anything, but I doubt you'll find any other manufacturer who can even come close to this. There are several folks on here who have waited several months for their MTO's from AE.

This isn't an MTO though, it's a stock model listed on the website. I understand your point though that at a certain threshold, everything is an MTO.
post #36207 of 43090
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Originally Posted by dieselman89 View Post

Anyone have suggestions for lacing the Dalton boots?

 

I just use Criss Cross Lacing, though as I always do with criss cross, I start the bottom as "straight across on the inside outside" of the bottom eyelets. Basically, like this:

 

post #36208 of 43090

First time poster and fairly new to AE shoes, but I wanted to see if others have had the same experience as me.  Recently I ordered a Bourbon Strand and Black McAllister from the seconds outlet.  The Strand fits great and the blemishes are easy to overlook for the price I paid.  The McAllisters, however, do not fit well at all.  I own two pairs of Strands, both in 8D and both fit like a glove.  The McAllisters, also in 8D, slip badly.  I had them send a second pair to see if it was a fluke, but they were even worse than the first.  Is this common for the McAllisters to fit differently than the Strands?  I know both are made on the 5 last so I assumed the fit would be consistent.  Very disappointing because I was looking forward to finally owning a pair of black shoes that I liked.

post #36209 of 43090
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Originally Posted by MoneyWellSpent View Post
 

 

There seems to be a lot of heated emotion behind your post, but that's fine.  For what it's worth, he did say that the BB Park Ave's fit tight (see his post), just not as tight as the Strand.  Also, for what it's worth, I would expect that (I assumed he was referring to the BB Strand, and may be wrong).

 

I'm not making any excuses for inconsistencies beyond what should be expected for different shoes made on the same last (i.e., different leathers, different amounts of stitching, differences in how many pieces of leather a shoe is made from, different insoles, different lacing styles, etc.).  If you have two pairs of Park Avenues with no difference between them, but each fits drastically different, there's no excuse.  It's an issue.  However, there are more variables to consider between shoes of very different styles than just the type of leather and the insole.  The Strand and McAllister are made of more pieces of leather and use significantly more stitching (which will change how they conform to the last).

 

I didn't see anyone giving you vicious backlash, but I may have missed it.  If you read it into my post, I sure didn't mean it that way.  I maintain a practical standpoint on shoes, and don't get offended when people don't appreciate something about a particular brand, including AE.  It's not my company.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Indyoshi68 View Post
 

 

MoneyWellSpent... It was a response to the comments of the OP (see juuuust above this... "...my BB Park Ave's FIT LIKE A GLOVE...and the Strands I got for Christmas FIT SUPER SUPER TIGHT.

 

What this made me realize was that the OP's shoe WITH Poron insole, in the same size and last, DID NOT fit as tightly as the Strand WITHOUT Poron insole...which was the impetus for my subsequent commentary on the inconsistencies I've found in my recent AE purchases.  What I did forget to add was that my PA and 5th Aves. were AE branded, without poron insoles.

 

No correction in responses/comments was attempted, or intended... Hopefully tampatravel got where I was going with my response, though.  

 

I wasn't trying to be pretentious, just give my take on the post, from my experience...I take my time when I try to offer comments in the thread - the AE backlash can be quite vicious at times, though not recently. Are you with me now, MWS?  :fistbump: 

 

Oh... additionally, even if the shoes are both BB branded, both with poron insoles, the last is the same and the fit is different for OP. OK...now I think I've covered my six in all areas of my comment. 


...unfortunately you've both confused me so much, I've gone back to wearing these Walnut Shell Kenneth Cole shoes....

 

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m313/elisson1/Miscellaneous/DaddyShoes.jpg

 

Just kidding guys... I appreciate all the info and discussion. I just thought I was a weirdo for needing a different size in the exact same last.

post #36210 of 43090
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Originally Posted by dieselman89 View Post

Anyone have suggestions for lacing the Dalton boots?

 

I agree with kentyman. For this boot, straight bar is really awkward to tighten, and straight European looks messy. Display shoe lacing, maybe?

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