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post #35821 of 50928
Toronto members - FYI, Robert Jones in Royal Bank Plaza is liquidating their AE stock. Everything they have is 50% off. Their regular price is $365 on most styles. They have a lot of styles but not much in the way of sizes. I picked up some 5th Street in brown.

I also found out that they now sell Saphir products.
post #35822 of 50928
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Originally Posted by kpag View Post

Sorry if it's been discussed ad nauseum, but I don't have the time to do all the searching/reading that I'd like. How good are AE seconds? I'm seriously considering buying a couple pair right now to take advantage of the $50/$100 off sale, but not sure if I want to take a gamble on getting one or possibly even two pairs of shoes that just need to be sent back. 

Right now I have the following:
Park Ave. black 
Lexington merlot/burgandy
McAllister bourbon

I'm thinking of picking up a pair of walnut Strands and either brown or bourbon Kenilworth as each are available in my size in seconds. I might, however, simply buy a pair of BB Strands in walnut and add the Kenilworth (or another shoe) later on down the road. At this point just wondering if I should play it safe and get one pay of first quality shoes for ~$275 or two pairs of seconds for around $360.

In my experience (Dalton walnut calf and BB 5th Ave walnut calf) I haven't been able to notice any flaws that anyone on the street would see. Unless I get a really good deal on firsts I will always look to seconds. If you're totally anal, go with firsts.
post #35823 of 50928
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Originally Posted by NWTeal View Post
 

 

That's funny, I was just thinking the other day how weird captoe bluchers looked to me.  Everyone has different tastes and luckily AE has enough models to satisfy almost all of our preferences. Although, I'm sure sooner or later I'll warm up to captoe bluchers.

 

 

Brown Clifton.  If that doesn't change your mind, nothing will. :)

post #35824 of 50928
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Originally Posted by Churchill W View Post


I feel like there are more QC issues with Aldens then there are with AE. Most of the time when we see QC issues with AE shoes, they are seconds, which a lot of us buy and usually if you go back to AE they will try to remedy the issue. From what I have seen with the issues in the Alden threads those are usually firsts. C&J has its issues too. In the C&J for Ralph Lauren thread there was a recent pair of shoes where the finishing on the shell was was off. I don't see too much discussion on C&J for Peal, but I feel that is because most people don't know they are C&J.

 

 

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Originally Posted by wdahab View Post


I think the real issue is that with Aldens, what you get is all you can get. If you don't think you received a first quality shoe, or the fit isn't quite right, your options are to take that shoe anyway, at first quality, or return it and have no chance of getting that shoe. Especially when it comes to their shell cordovan, the backlog on orders is ridiculously long and many makeups are only ordered in one pair per size for the store. This isn't just for rare colors either, it applies just as much for #8 (and they don't even offer brown, for some reason!)

With AE, if you don't like your shoes, even if it's shell cordovan, they'll probably be able to get you another pair within a month or two. Except in the current situation, where people are straddling times when some colors were available and times when they aren't, you can always get whatever pair of shoes you wanted remade.

I also think this needs to be viewed as a percentage of pairs produced. AE producing many more pairs per day and year then Alden does so of course you are going to see a higher numbers of rejections; it is all relative to the number of defects versus number of produced though.

post #35825 of 50928
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Originally Posted by kpag View Post
 

Sorry if it's been discussed ad nauseum, but I don't have the time to do all the searching/reading that I'd like. How good are AE seconds? I'm seriously considering buying a couple pair right now to take advantage of the $50/$100 off sale, but not sure if I want to take a gamble on getting one or possibly even two pairs of shoes that just need to be sent back. 

 

Right now I have the following:

Park Ave. black 

Lexington merlot/burgandy

McAllister bourbon

 

I'm thinking of picking up a pair of walnut Strands and either brown or bourbon Kenilworth as each are available in my size in seconds. I might, however, simply buy a pair of BB Strands in walnut and add the Kenilworth (or another shoe) later on down the road. At this point just wondering if I should play it safe and get one pay of first quality shoes for ~$275 or two pairs of seconds for around $360.

 

all but one pair of my AE's are seconds and i really don't have many complaints.  i inspect them when i receive them and return them if they don't fit well or have terrible defects. even when i notice some defects i feel they are easily tolerable.  

 

someone above made a comment comparing AE to CJ - people that can easily afford CJ's don't go for AE's routinely. you simply can't go wrong with AE's.  AE buyers like AE because of its cost-effectiveness and that they represent the best value per dollar.  to me, the seconds are of the best value. 

post #35826 of 50928
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Originally Posted by kpag View Post
...not sure if I want to take a gamble on getting one or possibly even two pairs of shoes that just need to be sent back.

 

If you're not willing to take the $10 risk that you might have to send the shoes back if they aren't to your liking either in looks or fit, than I'd advise you not to take the gamble.

 

Although,  if $20 means that much to you, I'd expect you would probably overlook a flaw or two to save $150.

post #35827 of 50928
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Originally Posted by nathanl View Post
 

 

Brown Clifton.  If that doesn't change your mind, nothing will. :)

Haha, unfotunately I find the Clifton to be a little pointy looking for me. Also the brouging on the Clifton doesn't to it for me. The shell Townleys MTO that I saw someone get (I forget who, my apologies) were actually quite nice. It's jut not high on my shoe priority list, too many other styles I want first.

 

Also, hello from NY! I moved from Seattle just 8 months ago. You must be one of the few AE wearing fellows in Seattle. All I remember seing were sneakers and square toe shoes glue jobs.

post #35828 of 50928
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Originally Posted by chinngiskhaan View Post
 

dude, I get that you are excited and that is great, nothing wrong with that, but lets try to keep the language clean yeah? It's a free country, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't use that language. Thanks in advance and congrats on your MTO!

It will not change his character, education, or his reputation.

 

Here is a quote:


"What foul language says about a person and why you should not use profanity:

 

"Profanity just means you do not know enough words to be able to say what you want without using curse words - an educated person can cut you down to nothing without saying one "dirty" word at all.

 

"When guys cuss, they are probably just trying to be macho. Really, they look stupid. When girls use profanity, it makes them look extremely trashy and tacky. This is a question that has always confused people. Obviously, talking is not harmful by itself, so just saying a "bad" word cannot be harmful.

 

"However, many people are offended by cursing or swearing, so using "bad" language in front of someone else might offend them or make them angry.

 

"It is a fact that many people use "bad" language because they do not know enough different words to be able to express their emotions by using other words instead of the "bad" words.

 

"Usually, if you hear someone who swears or curses almost all the time, then that person is not well-educated, and they do not know how to use other words to express emotion. You will have to make up your own mind about whether swearing or cursing is right or wrong.

 

"Most people feel that it is OK to let out a few curse words if you are by yourself and stressed out (like when you hit your finger with a hammer or drop something expensive and break it), but that you should not curse or swear in public. But it would also be smart to try and actually learn words to express yourself better and try not to say bad words when you do something like stabbing your toe. Try making it funny.  It might make the day seem better. Say something like "MOMMY!" or "Ouchy!" in a weird high voice.

 

"Personally you don't really need to use bad words to say whatever.  A lot of times it's uncalled for and basically not good to joke about different words like Hell and Damn. It shouldn't be funny to joke about such a thing as Damnation nor should it be funny to joke about the Hell, which to some people is the eternal place for all who have not followed God in there physical life time.

 

"Why do people use profanity?

 

"Over time and through use some words have had emotional connotations attached to them. When people want to evoke an emotional response in conversation they often resort to using these charged words.

 

"When words are commonly used in negative emotionally charged settings the emotional attachment to them grows.

 

"So the short of it is: Profanity is profane because it's used that way and it's used that way because it's profane. The same sort of emotional pairing with words works for good words too, like love, smile, chocolate and so on    because they express their feelings in an angry way.

 

"I guess there are bad words because sometimes we want to communicate bad things. We want to yell at someone, or offend them, or tell them that we hate them.

 

"Most bad words are about emphasis, but they aren't used in polite society because we are emphasizing something negative. We make up rude words for other races or groups of people because we don't relate to them, and we don't like them because they are different.

 

"We call people we know rude things because we're angry or we are trying to build our own egos by stepping on others. Maybe if we were all really good all the time, we wouldn't have a use for bad words anymore. But for now, people still want to emphasize negative things, mock, scorn, and offend... and so there are words that accommodate those desires.

 

"Usually because they think it:
a. makes them cool
b. makes them funny
c. makes them mature
d. is not morally harmful and there is pretty much no good reason why they SHOULDN'T be saying those words
e. all of the above or a combination of all of the above"

post #35829 of 50928
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Originally Posted by TurboTropic View Post

Toronto members - FYI, Robert Jones in Royal Bank Plaza is liquidating their AE stock. Everything they have is 50% off. Their regular price is $365 on most styles. They have a lot of styles but not much in the way of sizes. I picked up some 5th Street in brown.

I also found out that they now sell Saphir products.

Thank you so much for this! I headed over as soon as I saw your post and was able to grab a walnut pair of Strands for CAD $205 all in.

My walnut McAllisters got water damage so I need to replace them in a few months so I've been keeping an eye out, and this fit the bill perfectly.

Sizes and shoes are just what's on the table on your left as you go in.
post #35830 of 50928
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Originally Posted by NWTeal View Post
 

Haha, unfotunately I find the Clifton to be a little pointy looking for me. Also the brouging on the Clifton doesn't to it for me. The shell Townleys MTO that I saw someone get (I forget who, my apologies) were actually quite nice. It's jut not high on my shoe priority list, too many other styles I want first.

 

Also, hello from NY! I moved from Seattle just 8 months ago. You must be one of the few AE wearing fellows in Seattle. All I remember seing were sneakers and square toe shoes glue jobs.

 

Man, isn't that the truth - Seattle has horrible footwear.   Congrats on the move - Seattle and NY are both awesome places in their own way, but if I could, I'd probably take NY.

 

I felt the same about the Clifton at first too, but after a few wears, it's my favorite shape since it has the longer captoe - other ones like the Townley just seem more "bulby".  Walnut definitely feels more pointy than the brown too.

post #35831 of 50928
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Originally Posted by 7_rocket View Post


Ah. I live in Canada. I think Nordstrom is finally coming in 2014. I'll hold off then. They aren't seconds

Call the Nordstrom Spokane store and ask for the department manager in Shoes.  He will order in AE styles, and then ship them free from his store to Canada (which includes free return shipping)

 

All my best,


David

post #35832 of 50928
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Originally Posted by OptoDoc View Post
 

 

If you're not willing to take the $10 risk that you might have to send the shoes back if they aren't to your liking either in looks or fit, than I'd advise you not to take the gamble.

 

Although,  if $20 means that much to you, I'd expect you would probably overlook a flaw or two to save $150.

 

I'm not as concerned about the $10/$20 than the time and hassle of having to send them back. That and its also disappointing when you're excited and waiting for a new package to arrive only to realize you have to send it right back. I mainly ask because in the Wolverine 1K Mile boot thread there are lots and lots of complaints about awful seconds. So much so that its just not worth the headache (to me, at least) to give seconds a shot. I was just wondering if AE seconds were OK or if there is lots of junk. 

post #35833 of 50928
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Originally Posted by kpag View Post

I'm not as concerned about the $10/$20 than the time and hassle of having to send them back. That and its also disappointing when you're excited and waiting for a new package to arrive only to realize you have to send it right back. I mainly ask because in the Wolverine 1K Mile boot thread there are lots and lots of complaints about awful seconds. So much so that its just not worth the headache (to me, at least) to give seconds a shot. I was just wondering if AE seconds were OK or if there is lots of junk. 

Certain people in the Wolverine thread have a vested interest in creating a particular opinion about crappy Wolverine seconds. In my opinion the seconds people got from stp weren't bad at all. This is from my own experience with one pair I got for my brother from there and from reading about other people's experience.
post #35834 of 50928
Well I just bought them in color chili.

Love how they look and their slim profile.

Thanks David for the tip. Anyone know when nordstorm is coming to Toronto?
post #35835 of 50928
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Originally Posted by nathanl View Post

Man, isn't that the truth - Seattle has horrible footwear.
I think Portland might be worse. I work in an office where shorts and Tevas are year round. It's all software engineers... very sloppy looking geeks
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