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Originally Posted by jimanchower View Post

It's maybe a slight improvement, but the gap at the top is right at 1", which I feel is too much. Probably just wishful thinking on the sizing up thing. I may just have to do like tifosi and go with bluchers. A shame, since I really like this shoe.

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Originally Posted by ryansto View Post
 

It looks like that length accomodates the ball of your fooy correctly. I wouldn't go any longer- Maybe try a width up. A 1" spread is at the edge of acceptable spacing, but it will close some over time. The spread doesn't look so wide that it's pushing the topline back and out, so I don't know that I would bee too concerned.

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Originally Posted by BootSpell View Post
 

 

I don't think that looks too wide of a gap at all.  If the shoe feels comfortable, then you should be good to go. 

 

I agree with these guys. I really think you should judge the fit with your eyes closed. That said, even with eyes open this is not unacceptable. Continue to wear them and they'll close a tad more.

 

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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post

 

I think that's too much.  An oxford shouldn't close fully when brand new, but splayed open an inch is not ideal, IMO.

 

Maybe not ideal, but better then going up in width and having a heel that slips. Up a width may work better for him, but without knowing for sure, I think this is fine.

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Almost all of my Balmoral looked like that at first and closed up a bit, still not fully. It depends on the last and your foot. I have a high instep and the narrowness of the 5 last makes it hard for the gap to close. Everything else fits fine in the shoe.
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As above ^^

 

The printable sizing guide was very accurate for me, but I also find that the top of the instep is a little lower on the 1 and 5 lasts in particular, than my English shoes.  It doesn't matter too much that the lacing doesn't close: the fit around the forefoot, and the bottom of the instep, is a lot more important.

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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

 

Maybe not ideal, but better then going up in width and having a heel that slips. Up a width may work better for him, but without knowing for sure, I think this is fine.

 



I can't say what would or would not be better than the present case. It could be that this last simply does not work for his foot shape. This is the reason there are so many different lasts in the first place - they are designed to fit very different feet. Some will work better than others, and some not at all for any particular customer.

But to my eye, those shoes simply do not fit. Fit is only functionally accomodated here by the w-i-d-e spread of the laces. That is simply not how an oxford fits, any more than a monk strap closed only by strained buckling at the very last hole in the strap could be said to fit. They may indeed feel like they fit with your eyes closed, but opening your eyes will tell you in an instant that something is substantially off.

I am not an expert in fit - not by any stretch. But I have been fitted by experts - Dean Girling of G&G and Philip Carr of St. Crispin's. If I tried on one of their oxfords and had the laces splayed as far open as that, there is simply no way they would pronounce it to be good enough. In fact, at a recent fitting of a pair St. Crispin's, less of an opening than that was deeemed a poor fit requiring a combination of increased width / higher instep allowance / lower internal arch support.

To my mind, proper fit is not the sole province of high end RTW, much less bespoke. It should be the most important purchase criterion at any price point. Others, of course, are free to take a different view.
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I think part of the reason for so much debate on whether the poster's lacing gap is acceptable is that he is right on that borderline between acceptable and unacceptable and the fact the gap will diminish somewhat with wear.  I've posted pictures above of my Strands at about 4 months' old and at 2 years old.  You can see the gap diminished somewhat with wear and the right shoe is almost closed now.  I need to take a more recent picture (don't have them on today) because I remember thinking during the last wearing that I may need to eventually put a tongue pad in the right shoe due to how much they've stretched in this regard.

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Originally Posted by LeviMay View Post

F-ing lace on my Bayfield broke. Anger. Replaced them with a generic round (black!) hiking boot lace until proper replacements can be secured.

#AEproblems

The same thing happened to my Alden #8 boots on the 3rd wearing, it is frustrating I hear you! I ended up ordering flat boot laces from TZ Laces in several different colors. They also sell round boot laces. Not cheap, but they have held up well so far.

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Originally Posted by hoit1981 View Post

Think I've worked out my size in the Dundee. Now have questions on AE shell which I've heard dubious things about. In particular I'm looking at the dark brown and wanted to get an idea of how people rated AE shell compared to Alden and C&J? Cheers in advance.

 

 

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Originally Posted by tampatravel View Post

I have a pair of AE Townleys in Brown shell. I also have cigar LHS from Alden. I can't peak for C&J.

I will say the AE shell tends to have more of a matte finish while the Alden is quite shinny. I like both, so I have both. You can see also the pair I just had recrafted is quite shiny.

The fact that you can get almost anything you want via a MTO with AE is something else!

There is nothing dubious about AE shell, at least to me. I have shell from AE, Alden, and RL Marlow which are made by C&J. As tampatravel said AE can be more of a matte finish out of the box but with time and work they can and will look like the others. Some differences in colors between them but overall I consider them to be the same quality shell.

 

Great choice on the Dundee's. I prefer them over the Alden 2 eye chukka on the Barrie last by far.

 

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Originally Posted by cincikid View Post
 

AE doesn't currently make a PTB in suede, which, as far as I am concerned, is a serious gap in their product range. Your option is likely an MTO, but keep in mind that the design of the eyestays on AE differs from that of Alden, so you won't be able to perfectly replicate the look. If you are set for Aldens, keep an eye on the Shoemart's seconds: I've routinely seen suede PTB on the lists Ive been getting.

 

On a related note, I do have AE navy suede PTB (Stewart for Lands End Canvas) and I think they are great. I also had a similar looking Paul Stuart suede PTB on a crepe sole and I didn't like it nearly as much as navy suede PTB. I think color does add a nice touch to the otherwise fairly plain shoe and elevates it on to a next level.

 

This is a great idea to look for seconds but I checked it out and the Shoemart does not ship Alden outside of the US and I am in Canada. I might have to look into a MTO or maybe just bite the bullet and grab the Alden PTB next time I see them on sale.

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Seconds sale just announced
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Black CXL Leeds on the Dainite sole have arrived this morning--just in time for the wintry weather here in NJ (can't rotate the damn picture). 

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Wow, they look great! They actually look navy in those pics!
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Originally Posted by tifosi View Post

Wow, they look great! They actually look navy in those pics!

Thanks, Tifosi. They actually turned out pretty great; in a sense, better than I had expected. There's a bit of a navy shade, but it probably depends on the angle that you look at them. 

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Originally Posted by Subutai View Post

Seconds sale just announced

Do tell? Daddy needs some Moras (Morae?).....

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Originally Posted by cincikid View Post
 

Black CXL Leeds on the Dainite sole have arrived this morning--just in time for the wintry weather here in NJ (can't rotate the damn picture).

Those are AWESOME. Like tifosi said, I thought they were Navy at first glance. I'd love a pair in NAVY come to think of it.... I have to stop looking on here - ssssseriously.

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