Whether or not these are seconds is irrelevant to me or to the question I asked. Are they not worthy because you don't like them or because they're seconds?
I'll go back to my normal corners of STyleforum now, because frankly, this level of snobbishness does not make me want to dive into this thread.
you mean like the Alden thread?
Call me crazy, but this is pretty much the most "normal" thread on this forum.