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Winter in Denver. Would you choose McTavish or Aberdeen for casual duty?

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Originally Posted by fourspin View Post

Winter in Denver. Would you choose McTavish or Aberdeen for casual duty?

Since it's casual and Denver, Aberdeen because of the mini lug sole and split reverse welt. I might favor a boot however, the Long Branch.
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I have another wrinkle on this potential news. Would AE become the 'house brand' for Mens Warehouse? With over 1000 MW stores, if the AE brand becomes available at all those stores, what happens to production and quality? How much time would AE have for MTO's and cordovan models, if they're pumping out high volume to fill their 1000+ stores? Sorry, but I don't see it as a good thing. And if AE is owned by Mens Warehouse, would Nordstrom drop the line - being that they are competitors in the men's market? Nordstrom doesn't carry Mens Warehouse suits, do they?

 

This would be a concern if you consider the fact that AE has already set up shop in the DR due to a lack of qualified people that can fit into the assembly line at Port Washington to fill the needs. I believe Paul said in an interview that the lack of employee supply led to their decision to offshore a factory in the DR. If they need to produce even more than they have now, there will definitely be a larger percentage of cutters/clickers and sewers in the DR since they already can't fulfill their demands with workers in Port Washington. This may or may not have an effect on the quality of shoes.

 

This would either result in lower standards for shoes to pass as firsts or more favorable for us...a larger selection of seconds!

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Originally Posted by Olifter View Post


Since it's casual and Denver, Aberdeen because of the mini lug sole and split reverse welt. I might favor a boot however, the Long Branch.

^This. I have both and I find the Aberdeen far better in the foul weather. 

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I don't necessarily share your view on this. In his interview a few years ago Paul said that AE has a unique niche on the market offering relatively affordable Goodyear welted shoes made of good leathers and of great quality. They don't seem to have competitors in their price range and their shoes are selling like the hot pies. What would AE to gain if it were to follow JM for instance? I am not a market researcher, but they would probably lose more than they would gain. There's more than enough cheap poor quality shoes on the market and I see no reason for AE to compete in that niche. Of course, it's hard to predict which scenario AE is likely to follow, but my hunch is that they are going to be OK in the long run.

 

 

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AE seems to provide a product in between Alden and J&M. Either an increase or decrease in quality/cost would bring them to a place where they would have more direct competition. I don't envision a scenario where this makes much sense for them. They have established a good business model allowing them to fill in the gaps between other manufacturers.

 

I agree here as well.

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You're right, good point. However, at sub $100 a pair, I'm thinking Joseph Abboud are not hand-made or Goodyear welted, and pumped out in high volume to fill 1000+ stores. How will AE manage that volume requirement? Streamlining of production processes? I'm worried...

 

AE won't have to fill that same requirement.  I'd assume that even if MW did buy AE, they would probably be sold in a similar way that they are through JAB (meaning online) with only very select stores having them in stock.

 

At the end of the day, I think that if MW owns the company, then MW is simply the bank account the profits are going into.  Most everything else would probably be business as usual.

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Read the JS article and you'll note CEO Paul G. is interested in growing the company, to include its operations Port Washington. I think people are allowing their disdain for MW to cloud their judgment on this (which, BTW hasn't happened and may never come to pass). The firm that currently owns AE has already held it longer than its typical investments, so a sale to someone at some point seems inevitable. JAB already sells AE, so I doubt this would prompt Nordstrom to drop the brand (it would probably mean the end of AE at JAB, however, unless it succeeds in its efforts to buy MW). Nor do I foresee AE becoming a "store brand" that loses its value. Despite being purchased by Sears, Lands' End (another WI company) retains its brand identity and value. Were Sears to fold, it would have no problem selling off LE (which it has already contemplated as a means of raising cash). In either case, the principal effect of the acquisition is more retail outlets, more sales, and more revenue.

 

Agree.

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Originally Posted by cincikid View Post
 

Browsing old catalogues... Can't figure out why AE has discontinued so many great models they had, like this one for example (from the 1980 edition).

 

 

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They needed to close that out like you need to close out Chrome tabs...

 

 

Holy hell batman!  :lol: good eye!  How much ram do you have on your computer to be able to run all those tabs?  

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I just had to make a note of some irony I just read over in the Shoe Damage Report & Shoe P0rn Central thread.  AE is always getting flack for it's cap toe (Park Avenue and Fifth Avenue specifically) proportions being off.

 

I know that many have legitimate preferences for larger caps on their cap toes, and are genuinely able to see the value of AE while preferring certain models to be from other manufacturers because of their proportions being more tasteful on a case by case basis.  I think that's great, and I genuinely like many offerings by other manufacturers more as well.  People should be able to purchase shoes that they like more as long as the additional cost is reasonable to them.

 

However, I firmly believe that there are also many who bash AE simply because of their place in the men's shoe hierarchy, and rather than admitting to the fact that they don't want AE's because of their low price point, they instead seek to bring down AE using subjective tactics.  It's these people that this conversation made me chuckle about.

 

Foster and Son (a highly respected English bespoke shoe firm) posts photos of shoe shown below in the thread.

 

SF Member replies: "That smaller toe cap with a wider vamp is a nice look."

 

Foster and Son replies: "We agree.  It seems, somehow, more discreet."

 

 

I already know that some will say that the pair in this picture is a bit narrower overall (mitigating some of the offensiveness of the stubby cap), while the appearances of the AE cap toes vary widely based on width and length.  I agree.  I do think that some people would be better served by going with other brands if they have a particularly high width : length ratio.  However, many just dismiss the AE's as being hopelessly out of proportion without any further consideration. 

 

Then again, I've never figured out why AE isn't allowed to have a slightly shorter cap, and yet Barker Black is allowed to produce these without much flack:

 

 

And yes, there are die hard SF'ers who wear these proudly.

 

I know I'm playing with fire here. :nest:

 

:rolleyes:

 

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Thanks for the opinions, guys.  The boots aren't a requirement really, but a suit with dress shoes are.  I haven't been able to find any oxfords that my feet fit in without getting unsightly topline bulge, so I was thinking bal boots would fit the bill.  I also like boots more than shoes, in general.

 

I don't mind the speed hooks so much on the carmina pair and think the height is better.  The price is more than I want to pay though.

 

Maybe I'll start with a black calf AE pair, then move to Carmina when ready.  


Also, it's worth noting that though the AE's are a dress boot, they can be dressed down as well.  I wouldn't say as much for the Carminas, too fancy to be dressed down IMO.

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Holy hell batman!  :lol: good eye!  How much ram do you have on your computer to be able to run all those tabs?  

Hah, noticed that as well. I actually didn't have that many of them open. Somehow using the Print Screen button has added this interesting effect. 

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I don't follow too much of the drama around here.  People bash AE's cap toes for being too small?

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I don't follow too much of the drama around here.  People bash AE's cap toes for being too small?

 

Quite frequently.

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Originally Posted by jungleroller View Post
 

I don't follow too much of the drama around here.  People bash AE's cap toes for being too small?

 

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Quite frequently.

I think the size of the cap on the AE shoes is just about right. This said, I wear size 9.5 - 10 and can't say for certain if it might look different on larger shoes. 

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^This. I have both and I find the Aberdeen far better in the foul weather. 

Thanks, Olifter and Cincikid.  I have Redwing Iron Rangers for boot duty.  I'll try the Aberdeen's. Lug sole seems like the winner.

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