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Originally Posted by jungleroller View Post


Why not just use we cordovan care cream?

http://youtu.be/uQiZ7_Pq2ug

Reviews on that cream are not that good esp. in the SF community. 

 

However, my purpose for the Leather Defender is to waterproof the shell as much as possible. I avoid wearing shell when we are having rain in the forecast.  However, you can get water sprinkles during surprise showers and in public toilets etc.

 

I'm confident that the Macmethod is all you need to get the best shine on your shell shoes.

post #32417 of 46519
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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

My McTavish soles look just like that after 3 days in London last weekend. Was wondering what to do about it (if anything)...

 

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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post
 

So I just took a look at my ("Dark Brown") Cognac McTavishes after my trip to Europe and realized the double butyl soles took a real beating. It seems that broken glass shards in the streets and/or pubs of Basel, Switzerland found their way into the outsole and really did a number on them. It looks like they've been through a cheese grater.

 

I've since taken as much of the glass out as I could, but I wonder if there's anything I can to do the damaged sole. Perhaps Conditioner/Cleaner or Leather Lotion to replenish the dry fibers?

 

 

 

Let us know if you will be able to apply a Vibram outsole to the butyl sole. I am interested in the outcome, since I was told a few times it won't adhere to the butyl sole, which is soaked in oil.  

post #32418 of 46519

If you're worried about the soles that much pick one of the following:

 

1) Don't look at them.

2) Budget for a resole job.

3) Topy.


I like a combo of 1 and 3 personally.

 

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Originally Posted by coolarrow View Post
 

Reviews on that cream are not that good esp. in the SF community. 

 

However, my purpose for the Leather Defender is to waterproof the shell as much as possible. I avoid wearing shell when we are having rain in the forecast.  However, you can get water sprinkles during surprise showers and in public toilets etc.

 

I'm confident that the Macmethod is all you need to get the best shine on your shell shoes.

 

The spots come off with a cloth after a sprinkle right?

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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
 

If you're worried about the soles that much pick one of the following:

 

1) Don't look at them.

2) Budget for a resole job.

3) Topy.


I like a combo of 1 and 3 personally.

 

 

The spots come off with a cloth after a sprinkle right?

Sometimes. I will wipe the shoes down with the back of my pants to wipe the surface of the shoes dry.  However, that's not exact. When I miss them, I will push them down with a metal spoon, then mac method (at the end of the day).  The raised bumps aren't visible to 99.99% of the population, but I KNOW they're there.  

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Originally Posted by cincikid View Post


Let us know if you will be able to apply a Vibram outsole to the butyl sole. I am interested in the outcome, since I was told a few times it won't adhere to the butyl sole, which is soaked in oil.  

I guess people have different reasons for applying a topy (sole guard) but I like them because they protect the soles from water specifically. I like butyl soles, however, because the the oil is supposed to provide that protection thereby negating the need for a topy.

That said, never had to worry about broken glass before.
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Originally Posted by Subutai View Post


I guess people have different reasons for applying a topy (sole guard) but I like them because they protect the soles from water specifically. I like butyl soles, however, because the the oil is supposed to provide that protection thereby negating the need for a topy.

That said, never had to worry about broken glass before.

I never tried it personally, but I've heard that you can't apply topy to the butyl sole. It will stick for a bit bit but will come off eventually, due to the sole being saturated in oils. I am curious to see if this is indeed the case. 

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Originally Posted by coolarrow View Post

Wanted to post my experience with some Alden Leather Defender I just purchased.  I was Mac methoding my shell Alden captoes (which I bought new) and the shell Townleys (also bought new).  I bought the Defender to prevent the dots that form when you get some water spots, etc. 

You're supposed to apply the Defender with a cloth and then remove it  AFTER you mac method or shine your shell shoes.  For the Alden's it was no problem. I added the Defender and the same luster and shine remained. For the AEs. the white cloth I used had brown stains that were removed by the Defender.  Even more, the shoes were murky and lost the luster.  The shine definitely was reduced. It was like applying butter to some previously shiny shoes. The Alden cloth had no stains after I used it.

So, I reMac'd the Townleys and re-attained the shine. Did not re-apply the Defender.  I probably removed the Defender, but not sure.  It may be that the polish that AE adds on came off a bit, but I don't know. 

I've probably Mac'd the Aldens 2-3 times and the Townleys 5 or 6.  I've never applied any Saphir products or Venetian creme to either of these. Just Mac'd and some flannel cloths to bring out the shine. 

Alden's leather defender works just fine on AE Cordovan. You applied it on top of a thick layer of polish/creme that the AE factory applied to protect the shoes. Remove the polish using a damp cloth or Saphir Reno (may have to do this several times to get it all off) and then reapply the defender. This has always worked for me.
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Originally Posted by cincikid View Post
 

Could transportation be an issue? Mongolia is landlocked, if memory serves. 


yes... it is landlocked... that hasn't stopped them from exporting other goods though.  I suppose it would be more expensive to ship, but they could also acquire the horse hides for much cheaper though.

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Anyone know what last the Saratoga tassel loafer is in? Can't find anything online. Anyone have a pair and know? Details on the fit/last welcome. Thanks

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Originally Posted by chinngiskhaan View Post


yes... it is landlocked... that hasn't stopped them from exporting other goods though.  I suppose it would be more expensive to ship, but they could also acquire the horse hides for much cheaper though.

Serious question, don't Mongolians use steppe ponies rather than the horses with which most westerners are familiar? If so, I wonder if their hides would work as well. I have no depth of knowledge in tanning leathers...
post #32426 of 46519
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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post
 

 


what is this from? This is why there is a cordovan shortage... because westerners can't stand the idea of eating horse meat. Somehow it's ok to eat cows, sheep, and pigs but not horses.

 

I wonder if I slaughter and skin my own horse if I could send the hide to horween...:fonz:

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Originally Posted by Subutai View Post


Serious question, don't Mongolians use steppe ponies rather than the horses with which most westerners are familiar? If so, I wonder if their hides would work as well. I have no depth of knowledge in tanning leathers...


the horses are smaller, but horses still.  I think the shells would still be plenty big... But I'm no expert on horses, or Tanning so I could be completely wrong.  It's possible that They've already checked into the Mongolia thing and it didn't work out.

 

The horses are smaller, but not small enough that they wouldn't produce shells big enough for shoe making.  As far as thickness goes, if anything I would imagine their hides are thicker than western horse hides... again, I could be TOTALLY off base here.

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Originally Posted by chinngiskhaan View Post
 


yes... it is landlocked... that hasn't stopped them from exporting other goods though.  I suppose it would be more expensive to ship, but they could also acquire the horse hides for much cheaper though.

True. I guess Central Asia would be my bet were I in the need of obtaining shells in large quantities. I guess there might be other factors though, maybe a different breed of horses with smaller shells? :dozingoff: 

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Originally Posted by chinngiskhaan View Post
 


what is this from? This is why there is a cordovan shortage... because westerners can't stand the idea of eating horse meat. Somehow it's ok to eat cows, sheep, and pigs but not horses.

 

I wonder if I slaughter and skin my own horse if I could send the hide to horween...:fonz:

In the western culture, horses are considered what one could call a very utilitarian animal. They have been used for a wide variety of purposes, such as hunting, ploughing, moving people and cargo, you name it, whereas cows, sheep and pigs were bred solely to be consumed. I think we have inherited a completely different attitude to the horses than to the other domesticated animals. 

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Originally Posted by peppercorn78 View Post

My McTavish soles look just like that after 3 days in London last weekend. Was wondering what to do about it (if anything)...

 

At first I thought it was just Basel's cobblestone roads. Perhaps a combination of both.

 
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Originally Posted by cincikid View Post
 

Let us know if you will be able to apply a Vibram outsole to the butyl sole. I am interested in the outcome, since I was told a few times it won't adhere to the butyl sole, which is soaked in oil.  

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Originally Posted by Subutai View Post

I guess people have different reasons for applying a topy (sole guard) but I like them because they protect the soles from water specifically. I like butyl soles, however, because the the oil is supposed to provide that protection thereby negating the need for a topy.

That said, never had to worry about broken glass before.
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Originally Posted by cincikid View Post
 

I never tried it personally, but I've heard that you can't apply topy to the butyl sole. It will stick for a bit bit but will come off eventually, due to the sole being saturated in oils. I am curious to see if this is indeed the case. 

 

I've read the same thing about putting a topy on butyl. Then again, it might be different when the sole has been cheese grated...

 
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
 

If you're worried about the soles that much pick one of the following:

 

1) Don't look at them.

2) Budget for a resole job.

3) Topy.


I like a combo of 1 and 3 personally.

 

I'm not "worried" per se, but like to take care of my stuff so that it lasts as long as possible. #2) Of course I can resole them, but would rather not do that prematurely. #3) Topy might work, but as others mentioned it can be tricky on butyl soles. #1) Not really a helpful response, as I'm not concerned about the look but rather how long they'll last and how well they'll keep water out of the rest of my shoes.

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