Can anyone mention their respective sizes in the Patriot Loafers (or any other loafers) relative to their size in a few other lasts, including a common 5-last shoe like the PA or Strand? I have a couple dozen AE's in all (in addition to some Carminas and Aldens, incluing an LHS) and have been fitted numerous times for various lasts, but I have not yet found a loafer that will fit me from AE. In fairness, I have not yet been fitted for this new last.
I fear that my wide toes and normal / narrow (relative to toebox) heels make me an impossible fit for most AE loafers, but I wanted to see if any others have overcome a situation like this. In addition, I frequently have to go with shoes on the higher end of my size range (since a 12.5E is an uncommonly stocked size), so the instep becomes an additional problem, as my foot is frequenly sitting further back in the shoe, away from the tounge. This is fine for oxfords, but becomes a huge concern for loafers. I'd prefer to avoid tounge pads for a shoe that will frequently be worn on hot days. I have a 12E Dornoch that doesn't fit all that well, as my foot sits too far back from the tounge. I commonly wear a 13D on the 5 and 1 lasts. Others have varied, based on the shoe.
Any ideas? So far, the Alden LHS on the Van last in a 12E has been my best option. Thoe toebox is great, the heel slips slighly (but I have yet to break it in so this may not be a real problem).
I just got some Patriots this week and I got them in the same size as my Strands/Fifths and they fit just fine. I would say the sizing in my case is very similar.