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post #20581 of 49712

and now to top it all off I just realized that the guy was wrong and the PArk Ave and the MacNeil are not on the same last!! Damn it, now I am really am back at the same starting point having wasted a few hours out of my day.

post #20582 of 49712
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Originally Posted by David Copeland View Post

Really?

I have never purchased an AE in shell before - all of mine are in Calfskin - as well as the new Longbranch boots I ordered.  So its true (in some cases) that the calf is more comfortable?

David

Hmmm, comfort....not reallty sure. I find all my AEs (shell and calf) to be about the same in terms of comfort.
post #20583 of 49712
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

and now to top it all off I just realized that the guy was wrong and the PArk Ave and the MacNeil are not on the same last!! Damn it, now I am really am back at the same starting point having wasted a few hours out of my day.

Try this:

 

http://feetlot.com/allen-edmonds/park-avenue

 

And

 

http://feetlot.com/allen-edmonds

post #20584 of 49712
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Originally Posted by bespoken pa View Post

Saz I would love to see a picture of the shell next to the calf walnut. If you have the time. I have the same pair of strands my one and only AE until my MTO Daltons get here.

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That's a good idea. I'll try to do that tonight.
post #20585 of 49712
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Originally Posted by sazon View Post


Hmmm, comfort....not reallty sure. I find all my AEs (shell and calf) to be about the same in terms of comfort.

Yes . . . but more comfortable than the Shell version in the same style?  

 

Just wondering why you switched back - and I thought you mentioned comfort.

post #20586 of 49712
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

so a guy walks into a bar...

 

Anyway here is my experience from today trying to get sized properly in AE. I went to one of the few stores by me and it was almost comical how bad the experience was. First off, no Daltons, Leeds, Sheltons or Williams in my size. The sales guy thought I was crazy because he told me if I fit into one size of AE they will all work as the last doesnt mean anything. Furthermore, he also told me it does not matter if I buy Alden or Allen Edmonds because they are the same company!! (seriously, I am not making this stuff up).

 

Anyway, what I was able to determine is that the MacNeil fit best in an 8D; the length was good and the width just a touch tight. I then tried the PArk Ave (since it is the same last) in an 8E and it was too roomy, i also tried a 7.5E and the 8D was definitely the best fit.

 

The only shoe I could try on in the 1-511 last was, the ever so stylish, Wilbert. This was not the model I would have chosen due to the cushion insole liner, but so be it...The 8D was a bit too snug for my liking and the 8.5D a much better fit. The 8.5D did not fit me the same as the 8D on the 7-97 but it was tough to attribute what was the last and what was the orthodic like insole. So, I am looking to you guys for a bit of guidance here. Does it make sense that if the 8D on the 7-97 that I would go to an 8.5D on the 1-511? Also, how does the 2-222 run? I really like the Williams but it was not available for me to try. Thanks!!

 

eesh.  I'll echo David's comment that if it is an actual AE store, I'd definitely report that up the chain.  

 

Sounds like you figured out the Macneil sizing (7 last) and Park Ave sizing (5 last).  I imagine that your 1-last (leeds, Bradley) will be the same, unless the shoe has the insole, in which case you will need to increase (as you did).  For reference, I am a 12D in all of them, though a 11.5E almost fits me in the 5-last.

 

The 2-222 last is narrow.  I take a 12E in that, and it's still almost too tight.  

post #20587 of 49712

Just received my anniversary sale Bourbon McAllisters. They are gorgeous out of the box, but there were a few areas of concern on them that I wanted to run by you all. This is my first pair of AE so I'm not sure what to expect in terms of normal variation and quality control.

 

Here it seemed strange that the burnishing did not go all the way up to the broguing. Granted, this is the inside of the right shoe, but it is made more noticeable when I wear the shoe as the leather stretches away a bit more.

 

 

 

This picture doesn't show it very well, but one of the teeth of the scalloped edge at the point of the wingtip is slightly bent upwards.

 

 

Here my concern was a slightly raised stitch and the scratch or lack of color where the welt is stitched.

 

 

The stitching here seems off, with a bit too much of the edge protruding. It can be bent back away from the seam.

 

 

Finally, another bent tooth of the wingtip edge.

 

 

I know most of these are very minute details. The only one that really bothers me is the stitching on the upper where the wingtip edge is much wider than any other part of the shoe. It seems pretty noticeable and really looks out of place.

 

Hoping to get some of your veteran opinions on this! Thanks in advance.

post #20588 of 49712
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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

 

Thanks for all the advice and kind words. Too many replies to quote (that's a good thing!), so I'll break it down by topic:

 

Blotches:

 

I like the idea of trying something with pigment that could even things out. Does AE's "new" burgundy shell start as Color #8? It sounds like the best options are Saphir Cordovan Shoe Polish (Cordovan) or AE Cordovan Care Cream (Burgundy), but also maybe Alden Paste Wax (Color #8). Other ideas would be something specifically for coloring like Saphir Juvacuir Recoloring Cream (Burgundy) or Saphir Renovating Recolorant Repair Cream (Burgundy)?

 

My concern with removing the built-up polish is that it will make the problem more apparent. Is the idea to remove the existing polish so that the new polish can better recolor the shell?

 

Creasing:

 

I'm happy to hear they seem normal, though I am curious about this "pen method". Is the idea just to force the shell to bend in a certain way? Any more information would be appreciated.

 

Waterproofing:

 

Is Saphir Super Invulner Waterproofing Spray suitable for shell, or should I get Alden Leather Defender instead?

 

Do not mess around with the recoloring creams.  I repeat - do not mess around with the recoloring creams.  They are dyes and for situations significantly worse than yours.  Go with the Saphir cordovan cream.  Trust me on this one, it's that good.

post #20589 of 49712
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Originally Posted by bucksfan View Post

 

I'd use either Renovateur or just a damp paper towel / microfiber towel, followed by a brush.  That will remove most of the cream polish, and give you a better idea of what the variation in the shell is.  Then, use a pigmented cordovan cream, as mentioned earlier.  Either Saphir's or AE's own will work fine.  The creasing looks fine.  Enjoy!  

 

Shell Bradleys today:  

 

 

  

Nice. Are those finished with the old or new AE #8 shell finishing method?

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Originally Posted by rollinsay View Post

Just received my anniversary sale Bourbon McAllisters. They are gorgeous out of the box, but there were a few areas of concern on them that I wanted to run by you all. This is my first pair of AE so I'm not sure what to expect in terms of normal variation and quality control.

 

Here it seemed strange that the burnishing did not go all the way up to the broguing. Granted, this is the inside of the right shoe, but it is made more noticeable when I wear the shoe as the leather stretches away a bit more.

 

 

 

This picture doesn't show it very well, but one of the teeth of the scalloped edge at the point of the wingtip is slightly bent upwards.

 

 

Here my concern was a slightly raised stitch and the scratch or lack of color where the welt is stitched.

 

 

The stitching here seems off, with a bit too much of the edge protruding. It can be bent back away from the seam.

 

 

Finally, another bent tooth of the wingtip edge.

 

 

I know most of these are very minute details. The only one that really bothers me is the stitching on the upper where the wingtip edge is much wider than any other part of the shoe. It seems pretty noticeable and really looks out of place.

 

Hoping to get some of your veteran opinions on this! Thanks in advance.

 

I'm not a veteran, but I'll chime in anyway-

Can you clarify if these were first quality or seconds.  The shoes I got during the same sale are seconds. 

If these are seconds, well you have just pointed out why.  If they are firsts you can exercise your right to exchange them for another pair. 

post #20591 of 49712
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Originally Posted by rollinsay View Post

Just received my anniversary sale Bourbon McAllisters. They are gorgeous out of the box, but there were a few areas of concern on them that I wanted to run by you all. This is my first pair of AE so I'm not sure what to expect in terms of normal variation and quality control.

 

Here it seemed strange that the burnishing did not go all the way up to the broguing. Granted, this is the inside of the right shoe, but it is made more noticeable when I wear the shoe as the leather stretches away a bit more.

 

 

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This picture doesn't show it very well, but one of the teeth of the scalloped edge at the point of the wingtip is slightly bent upwards.

 

 

Here my concern was a slightly raised stitch and the scratch or lack of color where the welt is stitched.

 

 

The stitching here seems off, with a bit too much of the edge protruding. It can be bent back away from the seam.

 

 

Finally, another bent tooth of the wingtip edge.

 

 

 

 

I know most of these are very minute details. The only one that really bothers me is the stitching on the upper where the wingtip edge is much wider than any other part of the shoe. It seems pretty noticeable and really looks out of place.

 

Hoping to get some of your veteran opinions on this! Thanks in advance.

 

 

Those don't look too bad, but if they're firsts and you're not satisfied, you're justified in returning them.

 

I agree the inconsistently long pinking is the biggest problem there. I don't think one or two "teeth" sticking up is rare. I should point out, though, that the pinking on my Bourbon Strands pretty much all sticks up! This is likely from the opposite problem as yours, where the stitching is too close to the end. See below:

 

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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

I just got my Bourbon Strands in the mail and thought I'd share for those wanting to see how they look in this shade. Also, for my first post, I thought I'd could rub in the fact that I have them before they are even available online. mwink[1].gif

 

Outside, with flash (Click to show)

 

 

Outside, no flash (Click to show)

 

 

Inside, no flash (Click to show)

 

I ordered them back on September 22nd at their Dallas brick and mortar. I was just going to size them for future ordering, but the saleswoman was nice enough to put in the bourbon order early and honor the 15% off Rediscover America price.

 

I'm very happy with them. Walnut Strands are classic, but it's nice having something a touch different than everyone else... and having the same color on my feet as drink in my glass.

 

This was my first pair of AEs, so I didn't have much to compare to, but I've learned to love these shoes so much that I'm not letting it bother me. Though I am curious in hindsight if y'all would've exchanged my Strands for this issue. To put it another way, what do you expect from the pinking of a first quality brogue? Should they all be down and perfect, or is a little mayhem normal?

post #20592 of 49712
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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post

 

Do not mess around with the recoloring creams.  I repeat - do not mess around with the recoloring creams.  They are dyes and for situations significantly worse than yours.  Go with the Saphir cordovan cream.  Trust me on this one, it's that good.

 

Will do. Thanks again for everything.

post #20593 of 49712
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Originally Posted by AmericanGent View Post

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I'm not a veteran, but I'll chime in anyway-

Can you clarify if these were first quality or seconds.  The shoes I got during the same sale are seconds. 

If these are seconds, well you have just pointed out why.  If they are firsts you can exercise your right to exchange them for another pair. 

 

They are firsts.

post #20594 of 49712
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Originally Posted by msulinski View Post

Nice. Are those finished with the old or new AE #8 shell finishing method?

 

Old - this particular pair is about 2.5 yrs old.  After quite a few "Mac" treatments, the polish and cream finish are gone and the bare shell is gradually turning more brownish with time.  

post #20595 of 49712
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Originally Posted by zchen View Post

 

 

That's exactly what I'm afraid of......once I decide between cappucino and walnut for the Bayfield. I'm going to be thinking about which ever one I didn't pick.

 

That is true. In a perfect world both would be nice but not always realistic. I love both colors however in my experience realistically the cappuccino is easier to match with what ever you want to wear. And I think it was you that mentioned earlier how you love how cappuccino changes color so much depending on the lighting, and I agree. Somedays it seems like I have 3 different pairs of shoes on. If your shooting for the rainbow then obviously walnut is your choice. But if not it may not be the best choice. Either way they are both good choices though!

 

Forgot to mention yesterday when I talked to Deborah about ordering the Bayfield, it is an option to NOT have the poron insole. I decided to have it because I knew that by sizing up a half size I could still get a decent fit. Without it I'm pretty sure they would be TTS.

 

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Originally Posted by bespoken pa View Post

Saz I would love to see a picture of the shell next to the calf walnut. If you have the time. I have the same pair of strands my one and only AE until my MTO Daltons get here.

Ryden I went with 8.5d on 511. I can't believe an AE store wouldn't carry the Dalton its their primary high boot. My store carries it in walnut calf, chocolate calf and burgundy shell.

Hopefully Sazon will still post pictures when he gets a chance too. There are always color variations in the materials and of course lighting effect. Here is an older picture I have comparing them.

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Walnut calf to the far left, other 2 are walnut shell.

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