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post #20581 of 43320
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Originally Posted by sazon View Post

I had the Walnut Calf Strand and then sold it when I invested in the Shell Strands. I missed the calf strands from the time they left me. confused.gif

Fast forward....Re-united and it feeeeeeels soooooo goooood.


 

Really?

 

I have never purchased an AE in shell before - all of mine are in Calfskin - as well as the new Longbranch boots I ordered.  So its true (in some cases) that the calf is more comfortable?

 

David

post #20582 of 43320
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I talked to the seller and he seemed genuinely unaware of the blotches, and offered to refund some money. After getting almost 22% back (standard difference between firsts and seconds), they came to $379 - $83 = $296. New Shoes1, thank you for the heads up on this eBay listing. I owe my first pair of shell to you.

 

I have worn them around the house and surprisingly am happy with the fit. They're 8.5D just like my Strands, which I knows is abnormal, but I also did not have success sizing down McTavishes at 8D (too tight), so my feet my be a bit odd. I wouldn't be surprised if 8E works better for 5-65 last shoes that run big (bluchers, Rough Collections), but as someone who needs to find deals on seconds I don't usually have that option.

 

I have noticed that the left shoe creases different than the right. Do y'all agree that this is just normal variations causing this, or do you think the creases look indicative of bad sizing?

 

 

 

 

 

If anyone has advice on the blotches, I'd love to hear it. I'm content with these blemishes, but if there's something I can do to lessen it, that would be great. I'm also concerned about removing too much factory polish as others have described in case it makes the problem more apparent. Does that Reno'Mat treatment lighten shell in a way that would make blemishes more obvious?

 

Thanks for all the advice.

 

 

Thanks for all the advice and kind words. Too many replies to quote (that's a good thing!), so I'll break it down by topic:

 

Blotches:

 

I like the idea of trying something with pigment that could even things out. Does AE's "new" burgundy shell start as Color #8? It sounds like the best options are Saphir Cordovan Shoe Polish (Cordovan) or AE Cordovan Care Cream (Burgundy), but also maybe Alden Paste Wax (Color #8). Other ideas would be something specifically for coloring like Saphir Juvacuir Recoloring Cream (Burgundy) or Saphir Renovating Recolorant Repair Cream (Burgundy)?

 

My concern with removing the built-up polish is that it will make the problem more apparent. Is the idea to remove the existing polish so that the new polish can better recolor the shell?

 

Creasing:

 

I'm happy to hear they seem normal, though I am curious about this "pen method". Is the idea just to force the shell to bend in a certain way? Any more information would be appreciated.

 

Waterproofing:

 

Is Saphir Super Invulner Waterproofing Spray suitable for shell, or should I get Alden Leather Defender instead?

post #20583 of 43320
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

so a guy walks into a bar...

 

Anyway here is my experience from today trying to get sized properly in AE. I went to one of the few stores by me and it was almost comical how bad the experience was. First off, no Daltons, Leeds, Sheltons or Williams in my size. The sales guy thought I was crazy because he told me if I fit into one size of AE they will all work as the last doesnt mean anything. Furthermore, he also told me it does not matter if I buy Alden or Allen Edmonds because they are the same company!! (seriously, I am not making this stuff up).

 

Anyway, what I was able to determine is that the MacNeil fit best in an 8D; the length was good and the width just a touch tight. I then tried the PArk Ave (since it is the same last) in an 8E and it was too roomy, i also tried a 7.5E and the 8D was definitely the best fit.

 

The only shoe I could try on in the 1-511 last was, the ever so stylish, Wilbert. This was not the model I would have chosen due to the cushion insole liner, but so be it...The 8D was a bit too snug for my liking and the 8.5D a much better fit. The 8.5D did not fit me the same as the 8D on the 7-97 but it was tough to attribute what was the last and what was the orthodic like insole. So, I am looking to you guys for a bit of guidance here. Does it make sense that if the 8D on the 7-97 that I would go to an 8.5D on the 1-511? Also, how does the 2-222 run? I really like the Williams but it was not available for me to try. Thanks!!

Wow . . . what a terrible waste of time to the store.  And this was one of the Allen Edmonds stores and not one of the regular retail vendor stores that sells Aldens?  If so - I would report that to HQ.

 

As for you sizing - I need another in-store sizing again, and I chose to call Nordstroms.  I then asked the Operator for the name of the Men's Shoe Department.  I then asked to be transferred to him.  With the manager, I was able to make sure I would have a bonafide professional sizing performed.  Sizing is critical to investing in shoes that will last a generation or more.

 

David

post #20584 of 43320
Saz I would love to see a picture of the shell next to the calf walnut. If you have the time. I have the same pair of strands my one and only AE until my MTO Daltons get here.


Ryden I went with 8.5d on 511. I can't believe an AE store wouldn't carry the Dalton its their primary high boot. My store carries it in walnut calf, chocolate calf and burgundy shell.
post #20585 of 43320
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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

 

Thanks for all the advice and kind words. Too many replies to quote (that's a good thing!), so I'll break it down by topic:

 

Blotches:

 

I like the idea of trying something with pigment that could even things out. Does AE's "new" burgundy shell start as Color #8? It sounds like the best options are Saphir Cordovan Shoe Polish (Cordovan) or AE Cordovan Care Cream (Burgundy), but also maybe Alden Paste Wax (Color #8). Other ideas would be something specifically for coloring like Saphir Juvacuir Recoloring Cream (Burgundy) or Saphir Renovating Recolorant Repair Cream (Burgundy)?

 

My concern with removing the built-up polish is that it will make the problem more apparent. Is the idea to remove the existing polish so that the new polish can better recolor the shell? 

 

Waterproofing:

 

Is Saphir Super Invulner Waterproofing Spray suitable for shell, or should I get Alden Leather Defender instead?

 

 

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No more second guessing with this professional "device":

 

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post #20586 of 43320

and now to top it all off I just realized that the guy was wrong and the PArk Ave and the MacNeil are not on the same last!! Damn it, now I am really am back at the same starting point having wasted a few hours out of my day.

post #20587 of 43320
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Originally Posted by David Copeland View Post

Really?

I have never purchased an AE in shell before - all of mine are in Calfskin - as well as the new Longbranch boots I ordered.  So its true (in some cases) that the calf is more comfortable?

David

Hmmm, comfort....not reallty sure. I find all my AEs (shell and calf) to be about the same in terms of comfort.
post #20588 of 43320
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

and now to top it all off I just realized that the guy was wrong and the PArk Ave and the MacNeil are not on the same last!! Damn it, now I am really am back at the same starting point having wasted a few hours out of my day.

Try this:

 

http://feetlot.com/allen-edmonds/park-avenue

 

And

 

http://feetlot.com/allen-edmonds

post #20589 of 43320
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Originally Posted by bespoken pa View Post

Saz I would love to see a picture of the shell next to the calf walnut. If you have the time. I have the same pair of strands my one and only AE until my MTO Daltons get here.

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That's a good idea. I'll try to do that tonight.
post #20590 of 43320
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Originally Posted by sazon View Post


Hmmm, comfort....not reallty sure. I find all my AEs (shell and calf) to be about the same in terms of comfort.

Yes . . . but more comfortable than the Shell version in the same style?  

 

Just wondering why you switched back - and I thought you mentioned comfort.

post #20591 of 43320
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

so a guy walks into a bar...

 

Anyway here is my experience from today trying to get sized properly in AE. I went to one of the few stores by me and it was almost comical how bad the experience was. First off, no Daltons, Leeds, Sheltons or Williams in my size. The sales guy thought I was crazy because he told me if I fit into one size of AE they will all work as the last doesnt mean anything. Furthermore, he also told me it does not matter if I buy Alden or Allen Edmonds because they are the same company!! (seriously, I am not making this stuff up).

 

Anyway, what I was able to determine is that the MacNeil fit best in an 8D; the length was good and the width just a touch tight. I then tried the PArk Ave (since it is the same last) in an 8E and it was too roomy, i also tried a 7.5E and the 8D was definitely the best fit.

 

The only shoe I could try on in the 1-511 last was, the ever so stylish, Wilbert. This was not the model I would have chosen due to the cushion insole liner, but so be it...The 8D was a bit too snug for my liking and the 8.5D a much better fit. The 8.5D did not fit me the same as the 8D on the 7-97 but it was tough to attribute what was the last and what was the orthodic like insole. So, I am looking to you guys for a bit of guidance here. Does it make sense that if the 8D on the 7-97 that I would go to an 8.5D on the 1-511? Also, how does the 2-222 run? I really like the Williams but it was not available for me to try. Thanks!!

 

eesh.  I'll echo David's comment that if it is an actual AE store, I'd definitely report that up the chain.  

 

Sounds like you figured out the Macneil sizing (7 last) and Park Ave sizing (5 last).  I imagine that your 1-last (leeds, Bradley) will be the same, unless the shoe has the insole, in which case you will need to increase (as you did).  For reference, I am a 12D in all of them, though a 11.5E almost fits me in the 5-last.

 

The 2-222 last is narrow.  I take a 12E in that, and it's still almost too tight.  

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Just received my anniversary sale Bourbon McAllisters. They are gorgeous out of the box, but there were a few areas of concern on them that I wanted to run by you all. This is my first pair of AE so I'm not sure what to expect in terms of normal variation and quality control.

 

Here it seemed strange that the burnishing did not go all the way up to the broguing. Granted, this is the inside of the right shoe, but it is made more noticeable when I wear the shoe as the leather stretches away a bit more.

 

 

 

This picture doesn't show it very well, but one of the teeth of the scalloped edge at the point of the wingtip is slightly bent upwards.

 

 

Here my concern was a slightly raised stitch and the scratch or lack of color where the welt is stitched.

 

 

The stitching here seems off, with a bit too much of the edge protruding. It can be bent back away from the seam.

 

 

Finally, another bent tooth of the wingtip edge.

 

 

I know most of these are very minute details. The only one that really bothers me is the stitching on the upper where the wingtip edge is much wider than any other part of the shoe. It seems pretty noticeable and really looks out of place.

 

Hoping to get some of your veteran opinions on this! Thanks in advance.

post #20593 of 43320
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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

 

Thanks for all the advice and kind words. Too many replies to quote (that's a good thing!), so I'll break it down by topic:

 

Blotches:

 

I like the idea of trying something with pigment that could even things out. Does AE's "new" burgundy shell start as Color #8? It sounds like the best options are Saphir Cordovan Shoe Polish (Cordovan) or AE Cordovan Care Cream (Burgundy), but also maybe Alden Paste Wax (Color #8). Other ideas would be something specifically for coloring like Saphir Juvacuir Recoloring Cream (Burgundy) or Saphir Renovating Recolorant Repair Cream (Burgundy)?

 

My concern with removing the built-up polish is that it will make the problem more apparent. Is the idea to remove the existing polish so that the new polish can better recolor the shell?

 

Creasing:

 

I'm happy to hear they seem normal, though I am curious about this "pen method". Is the idea just to force the shell to bend in a certain way? Any more information would be appreciated.

 

Waterproofing:

 

Is Saphir Super Invulner Waterproofing Spray suitable for shell, or should I get Alden Leather Defender instead?

 

Do not mess around with the recoloring creams.  I repeat - do not mess around with the recoloring creams.  They are dyes and for situations significantly worse than yours.  Go with the Saphir cordovan cream.  Trust me on this one, it's that good.

post #20594 of 43320
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Originally Posted by bucksfan View Post

 

I'd use either Renovateur or just a damp paper towel / microfiber towel, followed by a brush.  That will remove most of the cream polish, and give you a better idea of what the variation in the shell is.  Then, use a pigmented cordovan cream, as mentioned earlier.  Either Saphir's or AE's own will work fine.  The creasing looks fine.  Enjoy!  

 

Shell Bradleys today:  

 

 

  

Nice. Are those finished with the old or new AE #8 shell finishing method?

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Originally Posted by rollinsay View Post

Just received my anniversary sale Bourbon McAllisters. They are gorgeous out of the box, but there were a few areas of concern on them that I wanted to run by you all. This is my first pair of AE so I'm not sure what to expect in terms of normal variation and quality control.

 

Here it seemed strange that the burnishing did not go all the way up to the broguing. Granted, this is the inside of the right shoe, but it is made more noticeable when I wear the shoe as the leather stretches away a bit more.

 

 

 

This picture doesn't show it very well, but one of the teeth of the scalloped edge at the point of the wingtip is slightly bent upwards.

 

 

Here my concern was a slightly raised stitch and the scratch or lack of color where the welt is stitched.

 

 

The stitching here seems off, with a bit too much of the edge protruding. It can be bent back away from the seam.

 

 

Finally, another bent tooth of the wingtip edge.

 

 

I know most of these are very minute details. The only one that really bothers me is the stitching on the upper where the wingtip edge is much wider than any other part of the shoe. It seems pretty noticeable and really looks out of place.

 

Hoping to get some of your veteran opinions on this! Thanks in advance.

 

I'm not a veteran, but I'll chime in anyway-

Can you clarify if these were first quality or seconds.  The shoes I got during the same sale are seconds. 

If these are seconds, well you have just pointed out why.  If they are firsts you can exercise your right to exchange them for another pair. 

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