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Originally Posted by frogwash View Post


It's just about not buying "anything at the store. While the store may or may not come out ahead, depending on how much time is spent there and what is purchased, that's not really the whole point. It's about the salesperson--who is there trying to earn a living. That person earns a commission by providing a service and assisting you with your purchase of right pair of shoes. It's not right to spend several hours of the shoe specialist's time so that all your future online orders from somewhere else or even someone else at the same company are perfect. It is the sales professional's duty to assist you to ensure that your purchase best suits your needs and wants. But going in with the notebook and then buying a shirt in another department has not only taken the shoeperson's time from him or her, but all the time going over every last has also taken away the opportunity to earn money to provide for his or her family because he is unable to help another customer who is there to buy shoes.
Sure. So, if you build a good rapport, you're really going to go back to that specific person when you are ready to purchase? Then you are one of the exceptions to the norm. While it sounds good, for the majority of people, they will say that this is what they are going to do, but when the time comes they will rationalize it away and then just order online. The people at the Alden stores were true professionals by showing enthusiasm with assisting you. Their boss probably also requires that they help all customers, even those that state they are not going to buy there. They were probably also hoping that their service to you would end up in a sale, but don't be surprised if there was some resentment and their professionalism prevented them from showing it.

Well, you really started a s**t storm.  What part of my earlier revised post did you not read??

 

For your enjoyment, here it is again:

 

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"And because different styles may predict a completely different size - I think I will take along a notebook to Nordstroms and try on every style that strikes my fancy - buy what I can within my current budget - and then know what other styles and exact sizes I want in the future - so that when I return to Montana and am ready to purchase again,  I can either call the Nordstroms sales rep and order over the phone - or use the Nordstroms or AE online buying with the correct fit."

 

Truly, the above said nothing about buying a shirt within my budget.  Rather - buying SHOES within my budget - with a phone call later to the same sales rep to BUY OVER THE PHONE.

 

And yes, Nordstroms Shoe Department employee do work for a commission of about 6.75% (or about $24 to $34 per AE pair of shoes).  I love developing good relationships with those who sell me quality goods and treat me well - and I will always make an effort to repay them with future sales orders.

 

All my best,

 

David

post #20162 of 46472

That looks like an oil stain to me.  Did you receive them like that?  If it's oil that's been absorbed into the leather, then I don't think there is much you can do about that.  Probably your best bet is to take a slightly darker polish and blend in the color on both shoes. 

 

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Originally Posted by robbrechter View Post

Have this dark blotch on the top of my Bourbon Strand. I've tried Reno'Mat to remove the polish on there thinking it was just a bad polish job, then I tried Renovateur and some more Reno'Mat, then I added a new layer of Saphir cream polish, etc. but nothing worked. As soon as I applied any sort of product to it, it would immediately get very dark until the leather dried, and then it ends up just sort of dark. It doesn't resemble the burnishing on the rest of the shoe, so I don't think that's what it is (unless it's just a bad burnishing job). I just applied a coat of Walnut polish to the area to see if it would help even things out. This is what I ended up with:
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Any suggestions on how to minimize the problem? I know maybe no one else will notice during daily wear, but it's bothering the heck out of me. They're seconds, so I don't plan to return them -- I just want them to look their best.
post #20163 of 46472
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Originally Posted by robbrechter View Post

Have this dark blotch on the top of my Bourbon Strand. I've tried Reno'Mat to remove the polish on there thinking it was just a bad polish job, then I tried Renovateur and some more Reno'Mat, then I added a new layer of Saphir cream polish, etc. but nothing worked. As soon as I applied any sort of product to it, it would immediately get very dark until the leather dried, and then it ends up just sort of dark. It doesn't resemble the burnishing on the rest of the shoe, so I don't think that's what it is (unless it's just a bad burnishing job). I just applied a coat of Walnut polish to the area to see if it would help even things out. This is what I ended up with:






Any suggestions on how to minimize the problem? I know maybe no one else will notice during daily wear, but it's bothering the heck out of me. They're seconds, so I don't plan to return them -- I just want them to look their best.

 

Rob,

 

I have a very similar style and color as you do (in fact, I have three of the same shoe so I rotate them at the office - where I share a similar profession as you do).

 

What you appear to have is certainly correctible - and I would suggest you determine if you want to make the correction yourself - or have a Saphir professional make the correction.

 

You mentioned this may have happened as a "bad polish job".  Did you polish them yourself (which could be helpful in determine where the mishap started) or did someone else touch the shoes?

 

You can also email the above pictures (plus what you wrote) to both of the following professionals (Nick and Kirby):

 

nick@bnelsonshoes.com

 

and

 

kirbya@hangerproject.com

 

Both of the above professionals (known nationwide) can certainly provide you with the right remedy.

 

For myself, I am going to be using the 5-Step Saphir Process for one of my shoes, which includes a missing step in what you wrote.  Let me know if you'd like me to share that with you in a more appropriate thread topic here.


David

post #20164 of 46472
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Originally Posted by robbrechter View Post

Have this dark blotch on the top of my Bourbon Strand. I've tried Reno'Mat to remove the polish on there thinking it was just a bad polish job, then I tried Renovateur and some more Reno'Mat, then I added a new layer of Saphir cream polish, etc. but nothing worked. As soon as I applied any sort of product to it, it would immediately get very dark until the leather dried, and then it ends up just sort of dark. It doesn't resemble the burnishing on the rest of the shoe, so I don't think that's what it is (unless it's just a bad burnishing job). I just applied a coat of Walnut polish to the area to see if it would help even things out. This is what I ended up with:






Any suggestions on how to minimize the problem? I know maybe no one else will notice during daily wear, but it's bothering the heck out of me. They're seconds, so I don't plan to return them -- I just want them to look their best.
Pretty sure thats an oil stain , probably dripped off a piece of machinary in the factory, pretty sure theres nothing you can do about it . Pretty sure it will lessen with time .Pretty sure you wont even know its there in a couple months
post #20165 of 46472
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Originally Posted by Pastor View Post

I have some VSC as well and use it at times. I don't get as good a shine with it as I do with the reno. I bought the VSC on Nick Horween's recommendation and use it before I store my shoes for the season (like I just did with my boots). I'll also admit that most of the time I do't use anything on my shell shoes except a brush. Only when they are dirty or start getting scuffs will I break out the various products. For calf I mostly brush and then apply Saphir wax polish as needed.

Our care for shell and shoes is pretty much identical. I purchase VSC from the AE outlets for $5 a bottle. In the thread I mentioned earlier I posted that I will give up my Reno when they pry it from my cold dead hands. That is a bit of an extreme statement but if it was the last jar on earth I wouldn't give it up without a fight LOL. 75 degrees yesterday but cold and up to half a foot of snow today and a few more inches tomorrow. I will be thankful when I can put away my winter wear for the year!

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Originally Posted by bespoken pa View Post

Decided not to buy the chili Daltons, today I received an email from AE swat. The only question is walnut or cappacino? Thoughts gentlemen?

Well both of course... devil.gif

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Originally Posted by PK35216 View Post

Cold Iron,

On a different topic, I just ordered some of the amazon microfiber cloths that I've been told you  and some others have used.  I believe I understand that you use them primarily to buff after applying polish (or brushing your shell, etc.), but I was curious as to whether you use them for anything else in the process of caring for your shoes.

 

For example, have you ever used them in the first step of the Mac Method to dampen and wipe down your shell before brushing?  Or to apply RevoV or RenoM, or Alden Waterproofer on shell (something I recently started doing as the final step in my shell care)? 


Others are welcome to chime in, of course.

Thanks.

I still use T-shirts for applying wax and polishing. After years of doing so I know the feel I am looking for when polishing and only use a very little bit of wax at a time, I have a hard time getting use to the feel of anything else. For applying Alden Waterproofer I use an old synthetic sock that doesn't absorb much of it but transfers it to the shoe rather well. Originally I used the MF cloths for just final buffing. Previously I used nylon stockings for final polish however they always did leave swirl marks, had to look close but they were there. MF cloths do not. I use the MF cloths around the house for cleaning and also for cleaning the vehicle inside and out as they really pick up dirt and are something like 8X more absorbent than cotton. When I was cleaning a new pair of shell PA in the garage I did the first pass with Reno and a T-shirt and glanced at the MF cloths I used for cleaning the vehicle and thought I'd try one on a second pass.

 

The blue MF cloth is after I had already cleaned with the T-shirt and Reno. So I now use them for the Mac method, Reno and cleaning, and final buffing.

post #20166 of 46472

I got my new brown shell patriots yesterday. Used Renomat to remove excess creme, the lotioned and brushed the you know what out of them. They looked great. I put them on this a.m. And totally concurred with the comment that the felt like a slipper. I have the calf patriots and these are way more comfortable. After having them on or about 15 minutes I noticed very defined ripples already on the top of the shoe ( as seen in the pic). Not quite sure what to think about that, but I do love the feel. Great value for the price of $359.
post #20167 of 46472
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Originally Posted by GOP Shoe Guy View Post


I got my new brown shell patriots yesterday. Used Renomat to remove excess creme, the lotioned and brushed the you know what out of them. They looked great. I put them on this a.m. And totally concurred with the comment that the felt like a slipper. I have the calf patriots and these are way more comfortable. After having them on or about 15 minutes I noticed very defined ripples already on the top of the shoe ( as seen in the pic). Not quite sure what to think about that, but I do love the feel. Great value for the price of $359.

I think they look great, and I think the ripples are great.  Shoe character my man!

post #20168 of 46472
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Originally Posted by GOP Shoe Guy View Post


I got my new brown shell patriots yesterday. Used Renomat to remove excess creme, the lotioned and brushed the you know what out of them. They looked great. I put them on this a.m. And totally concurred with the comment that the felt like a slipper. I have the calf patriots and these are way more comfortable. After having them on or about 15 minutes I noticed very defined ripples already on the top of the shoe ( as seen in the pic). Not quite sure what to think about that, but I do love the feel. Great value for the price of $359.

 

Mine rippled at the top of the shoe as well.  I think it has something to do with how easily the shoe flexes to make it feel like a slipper. 

post #20169 of 46472
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

Our care for shell and shoes is pretty much identical. I purchase VSC from the AE outlets for $5 a bottle. In the thread I mentioned earlier I posted that I will give up my Reno when they pry it from my cold dead hands. That is a bit of an extreme statement but if it was the last jar on earth I wouldn't give it up without a fight LOL. 75 degrees yesterday but cold and up to half a foot of snow today and a few more inches tomorrow. I will be thankful when I can put away my winter wear for the year!
Well both of course... devil.gif

I just purchased another container of Saphir Reno. Someone was complaining about price. I know it is a little more expensive than some other products but we are talking about shoes that retail at almost $600. I have several pair of Alden shells that cost over $700 and some of my Carmina shoes were in the $850 range so 20 bucks for some quality shoe lotion/cream is acceptable to me.
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So in my conversation with the SWAT team today, I found out that the part number for the shell leather used in brown shell and dark brown shell is exactly the same.  The difference between my Dundees and Strands is due to the natural variation in shells.  Even though mine are the same part number, I still think there is a great variation between the two pairs.

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My cappuccino shell McAllisters are coming today!  Also just placed an order for walnut/cappuccino shell Sheltons and Walnut shell MacNeils.  Feeling poor but happy.  This was an excellent opportunity!

post #20172 of 46472
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

Our care for shell and shoes is pretty much identical. I purchase VSC from the AE outlets for $5 a bottle. In the thread I mentioned earlier I posted that I will give up my Reno when they pry it from my cold dead hands. That is a bit of an extreme statement but if it was the last jar on earth I wouldn't give it up without a fight LOL. 75 degrees yesterday but cold and up to half a foot of snow today and a few more inches tomorrow. I will be thankful when I can put away my winter wear for the year!
Well both of course... devil.gif

Oh, I almost forgot to mention that is was 73 here yesterday. For the next 10 days the forecast is in the mid-70's as the high. What's snow???
post #20173 of 46472
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Originally Posted by GOP Shoe Guy View Post


I got my new brown shell patriots yesterday. Used Renomat to remove excess creme, the lotioned and brushed the you know what out of them. They looked great. I put them on this a.m. And totally concurred with the comment that the felt like a slipper. I have the calf patriots and these are way more comfortable. After having them on or about 15 minutes I noticed very defined ripples already on the top of the shoe ( as seen in the pic). Not quite sure what to think about that, but I do love the feel. Great value for the price of $359.

 

They look great!  Mine are rippling in the same place - nothing to worry about, in fact it's just part of the character of such an unstructured shoe. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

Our care for shell and shoes is pretty much identical. I purchase VSC from the AE outlets for $5 a bottle. In the thread I mentioned earlier I posted that I will give up my Reno when they pry it from my cold dead hands. That is a bit of an extreme statement but if it was the last jar on earth I wouldn't give it up without a fight LOL. 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

75 degrees yesterday but cold and up to half a foot of snow today and a few more inches tomorrow. I will be thankful when I can put away my winter wear for the year!

Well both of course... devil.gif

I still use T-shirts for applying wax and polishing. After years of doing so I know the feel I am looking for when polishing and only use a very little bit of wax at a time, I have a hard time getting use to the feel of anything else. For applying Alden Waterproofer I use an old synthetic sock that doesn't absorb much of it but transfers it to the shoe rather well. Originally I used the MF cloths for just final buffing. Previously I used nylon stockings for final polish however they always did leave swirl marks, had to look close but they were there. MF cloths do not. I use the MF cloths around the house for cleaning and also for cleaning the vehicle inside and out as they really pick up dirt and are something like 8X more absorbent than cotton. When I was cleaning a new pair of shell PA in the garage I did the first pass with Reno and a T-shirt and glanced at the MF cloths I used for cleaning the vehicle and thought I'd try one on a second pass.

 

The blue MF cloth is after I had already cleaned with the T-shirt and Reno. So I now use them for the Mac method, Reno and cleaning, and final buffing.

 

 

 

I agree on the Renovateur - and I'll echo a comment someone else made: Just like most things in life, It is all about moderation.  I know it's tempting to use lots of product on the shoes we just paid lots of money for, but the truth is too much product can hurt them.  

 

I use Renovateur on my shell cordovan shoes.  Mostly VSC and polish on the few calfskin shoes I have.  I use the "Mac" method on all of them:  I.E. a damp rag and brushing is the primary care, and I do this every 1-2 wears (basically 1x every 45 days).  For my shell cordovan shoes, they probably get 1 treatment of Renovateur per year, and a very light application at that.  They just don't need much product.  

 

yesterday: burgundy shell Macneil, walking over to my lunch spot.  

 

 

post #20174 of 46472
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Originally Posted by polojock615 View Post

My cappuccino shell McAllisters are coming today!  Also just placed an order for walnut/cappuccino shell Sheltons and Walnut shell MacNeils.  Feeling poor but happy.  This was an excellent opportunity!

This is awesome. I love the cappuccino and walnut colors. I've had two boots in Walnut shell (the first pair came unstitched so AE replaced them). My first pair was light in color (almost Alden Whiskey light) and the second pair was a light brown that is closer to a pair of Alden Ravello that I use to own - (pics can still be seen in my signature).

I love the cappuccino color more and more every time I wear my Dundees. They are becoming my favorite pair of shell shoes.

I understand the "poor" feeling. Post pics when everything arrives. We want to live vicariously through your purchases.
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Originally Posted by GOP Shoe Guy View Post


These look great! Mine have the same creasing.
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