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Originally Posted by sevenfoldtieguy View Post


A shell cordovan Dundee would work just fine for your intended uses. As would a shell cordovan Leeds. I would suggest going with one of those models in burgundy shell. nod[1].gif

I guess the question would be, if I were to get Leeds what size?  I'm a 10D in the 5 last but a 10.5C in the 4.  I suppose a trip to the store would truly answer the question but off the top do you know how the 1 last fits?

 

Thanks!

post #20147 of 46905
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

i guess the question is do they use or sell Saphir because it really performs the best, or just because people request it so much?

 

i also don't really get the impression that Stephen at Leffot knows a whole bunch about caring for shoes as exemplified by his video here where he is using way too much polish and stuff on shell cordovan and does it every 2 weeks?:

 

 

 

So, let me get this straight, your argument is based on one poster's anecdotal experience.  Yet, you are questioning whether we should listen to recognized experts due to your speculation that they just give the public what they want as opposed to doing what they believe is right?  tinfoil.gif

post #20148 of 46905
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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post

Received my shell Patriot seconds this afternoon.  Have to echo what everyone else has said regarding the shoe fitting like a slipper - wow!!  My only hesitation is that the finish of the shoes is marred on both toes.  It's slight enough that it is only visible in sunlight and pictures do not really show it.  It looks like someone spilled something on the toes that ate through some of the finish.  I'm thinking of keeping them and that a little Saphir brown cordovan polish might cover up the issue.  Thoughts?

 

 

 

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Congrats! It is hard to see like you said. As long as everything else on the shoes is fine I would be very tempted to keep them. My concern with finish on shell is when one shoe is shiny and the other dull, in the past I have always been able to get them to match with some work. I think with both of your shoes having the same issue in the same spot you have a great chance of making them come out OK. GOP posted about his shell PA that he got from the shoebank and they had mismatched finish so they sent them over to refinish. If all else fails then that is also and option however a $50 one.

 

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Originally Posted by Pastor View Post

I haven't read the entire thread but both post you quoted were by one member. I know for a fact that B. Nelson (arguably the best shoe guy in the U.S.) uses Saphir. So does Stephen at Leffot as well as Ron Rider. I'd be interested in knowing "which" ingredients are questionable. Sounds like gibberish to me. I use Saphir Reno on all my shell shoes and I use Saphir wax polish on all my calfskin shoes. I've never had any issues and that is with 25+ pair of shoes.

Agreed. The whole thing with Patrick and DFW (I haven't bothered reading the links) started awhile back when Patrick was asking what is in VSC. The solvent thing came up then and damage, etc. There is no doubt that turpentine is in Venetian Shoe Cream you can certainly smell it. And I believe the ingredients that the turp come from is actually Venice turpentine which comes from the Western Larch tree. No one knows what is in VSC you can't even find it on a MSD. Yet Nick Horween recommends it for shell. Only a fool would say he doesn't know what he is talking about. And Reno is very similar to VSC in many regards.

 

And those 2 are talking about calf, not shell. DFW said that he is starting to use Bickmore Bick 4 more now and still experimenting with it. I have used it for years on my AE Wilbert's where I don't want to darken the stitching. And AE leather lotion is basically the same as Bickmore Bick 4 if not identical. But I still use Reno on shell and don't plan on changing anytime soon. Too much of ANY product isn't a good thing IMO.

 

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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

Agreed. The whole thing with Patrick and DFW (I haven't bothered reading the links) started awhile back when Patrick was asking what is in VSC. The solvent thing came up then and damage, etc. There is no doubt that turpentine is in Venetian Shoe Cream you can certainly smell it. And I believe the ingredients that the turp come from is actually Venice turpentine which comes from the Western Larch tree. No one knows what is in VSC you can't even find it on a MSD. Yet Nick Horween recommends it for shell. Only a fool would say he doesn't know what he is talking about. And Reno is very similar to VSC in many regards.

And those 2 are talking about calf, not shell. DFW said that he is starting to use Bickmore Bick 4 more now and still experimenting with it. I have used it for years on my AE Wilbert's where I don't want to darken the stitching. And AE leather lotion is basically the same as Bickmore Bick 4 if not identical. But I still use Reno on shell and don't plan on changing anytime soon. Too much of ANY product isn't a good thing IMO.



I have some VSC as well and use it at times. I don't get as good a shine with it as I do with the reno. I bought the VSC on Nick Horween's recommendation and use it before I store my shoes for the season (like I just did with my boots). I'll also admit that most of the time I do't use anything on my shell shoes except a brush. Only when they are dirty or start getting scuffs will I break out the various products. For calf I mostly brush and then apply Saphir wax polish as needed.
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Decided not to buy the chili Daltons, today I received an email from AE swat. The only question is walnut or cappacino? Thoughts gentlemen?
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I've posted earlier in the thread about my trouble with the 5 last and since it's been brought up recently again I thought I'd chime in. I was originally sized at 8D but there wasn't one in stock and it was clear 8.5D was too big so we ordered and I received my 8D a few weeks later and while the left (larger foot by a good amount) seemed to fit okay, the right was loose. I went to another local AE store (Boston guy here so I'm lucky) and was sized at 7.5E so did an exchange. They seemed perfect in the store but now having worn them seven or eight times when my feet swell later in the day my small toes get cramped by the angle of the last.

I'm not sure what to do and I have another pair on order in 7.5E. The sales rep is very nice and said he would work with me and recommended I wear them about a dozen times first. The thing that's tough is in the morning they tend to feel great and the smaller right foot is even slightly loose. But at times they just aren't as comfortable as they should be. Most of the shoes I like from AE are on the 5 so if it's not for me I'll probably start looking elsewhere.

Let me ask you guys... The salesman offered to stretch them for me. What kind of negative effect might that have (if any). Will it help? I wonder if I should go 7.5EEE or back to the 8D or even 8E. When I tried the 7.5EEE it just seemed too wide especially on the smaller foot. There seemed to be so much extra leather but that was also early in the morning before any swelling.

Thanks, all.

EDIT: I should also mention that when I went back in after wearing the 7.5E about 5-6 times the salesman got down, pinched and poked a few times and said that he was certain that this was the right size for me and to give it a few more wears. Also, I'm talking calf skin not cordovan.
Edited by AdamAdam - 4/30/13 at 5:34pm
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Take this for what it's worth, but if you have not done so previously you really should give the team at Jefferson a call. There is maybe an hour left on this sale and as usual they went above and beyond my expectations.

 

On Saturday I ordered the Lubbock (from Kelsey) and tonight I spoke with Monica to ask about the Lubbock's general sizing. In addition to talking about the Lubbock she found me a pair of Banchory that I have been wanting and she still took the time to go over their belts as well.

 

I have dealt with them a half dozen times and they will continue to be the store I order from.

post #20153 of 46905
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Originally Posted by David Copeland View Post

Oh I understand - but I was just inquiring because both pictures show leather color that looks the same - so much the same that the Longbranch color "looks" like the Chili in the Dalton picture.

 

Dark Brown = Chili?

 

I'm really late in commenting on this but I was too busy at the time and then I forgot.  What I really wanted to comment on was, and I'm probably OCDing here, I don't believe that AE's picture of the "burnished chili" Dalton (that was on sale for $299 recently) is really a picture of a real burnished chili Dalton.  I think it's a picture of the walnut calf Dalton that has been modified with software to look like chili.

 

Why do I say that?  Well, I placed an order for those Daltons and having no AE chili colored shoes, I wanted to get a better feel for the exact color I'm going to receive.  I started looking at the picture very carefully and noticed that it was the exact same picture as the walnut calf Dalton except for the shade of the color.  Both pictures had the same shadows, markings, creases and the angle of the picture was exactly the same.  I was disappointed when I discovered that. The chili Dalton's picture isn't up there anymore but it's still back a few pages in this thread.

 

I wouldn't bet my life on my claim above but I'd bet some serious money on it. 

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Can anyone tell me who we are supposed to contact in regards to getting the custom order shoes without the custom upcharge as per Mr. Grangaard's post earlier in this thread? Tried searching but wasn't able to come across the post without really digging. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by BootSpell View Post

 

I'm really late in commenting on this but I was too busy at the time and then I forgot.  What I really wanted to comment on was, and I'm probably OCDing here, I don't believe that AE's picture of the "burnished chili" Dalton (that was on sale for $299 recently) is really a picture of a real burnished chili Dalton.  I think it's a picture of the walnut calf Dalton that has been modified with software to look like chili.

 

Why do I say that?  Well, I placed an order for those Daltons and having no AE chili colored shoes, I wanted to get a better feel for the exact color I'm going to receive.  I started looking at the picture very carefully and noticed that it was the exact same picture as the walnut calf Dalton except for the shade of the color.  Both pictures had the same shadows, markings, creases and the angle of the picture was exactly the same.  I was disappointed when I discovered that. The chili Dalton's picture isn't up there anymore but it's still back a few pages in this thread.

 

I wouldn't bet my life on my claim above but I'd bet some serious money on it. 

You are about to receive by Fedex the proof.  By all means, post a picture so that we can see what they are selling with that photo.

post #20156 of 46905
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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post

 

So, let me get this straight, your argument is based on one poster's anecdotal experience.  Yet, you are questioning whether we should listen to recognized experts due to your speculation that they just give the public what they want as opposed to doing what they believe is right?  tinfoil.gif

As you have found, our good friend Tristan does appear to avoid posting the more rigorous, scientific, and controlled evaluations by more renown professionals who work with these products day in and day out.  One visit (or email of pictures) to Nick's shop in Manhattan would dispel many anecdotal experiences.

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Originally Posted by David Copeland View Post

As you have found, our good friend Tristan does appear to avoid posting the more rigorous, scientific, and controlled evaluations by more renown professionals who work with these products day in and day out.  One visit (or email of pictures) to Nick's shop in Manhattan would dispel many anecdotal experiences.

i'm certainly making no judgement call on whether or not Saphir is good or bad, can damage shoes over time, nor not.  just pointing out the issue that the other member had with it so we can all be aware of it. it may be something to watch out for.  

 

i do however think Saphir products are way overpriced and don't give a benefit commensurate with the high price vs. other comparable options. 

 

also, does a visit to a shoe repair shop really constitute "rigorous, scientific, controlled evaluation"? using this logic, one could argue that Saphir sucks because it's not being used by the vast majority of shoe repair and shoe shine locations nationwide.


Edited by mediahound - 4/30/13 at 7:43pm
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I have always used saphir after receiving numerous recommendations to do so. I acknowledge that quite often on these threads people are susceptible to group think. That being said my local purveyor of fine mens shoes recommended it to me as well, he uses it for all of his and his customers eg's. I defer to those I believe to have extensive knowledge on a subject (not just as it relates shoes). It's also quite possible that someone treated their shoes with something either prior to or following the use of saphir reno. I guess one would have to determine if saphir was the sole reason for causing damage to a particular shoe. I would think that if saphir had some sort of flawed formula it would not be so widely used.
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

Heads up.

 

Today is the last day of the Jeffersonville Outlet store sale of 20% off one item. 

 

740-948-9033

jville@allenedmonds.com

 

Open tonight until 9 PM EST

 

And they have several pairs of burgundy shell Patriots in my size in the system to go with my brown shell pair. And like bucksfan said they feel like a house slipper..... decisions.gif

 

 

 

Cold Iron,

On a different topic, I just ordered some of the amazon microfiber cloths that I've been told you  and some others have used.  I believe I understand that you use them primarily to buff after applying polish (or brushing your shell, etc.), but I was curious as to whether you use them for anything else in the process of caring for your shoes.

 

For example, have you ever used them in the first step of the Mac Method to dampen and wipe down your shell before brushing?  Or to apply RevoV or RenoM, or Alden Waterproofer on shell (something I recently started doing as the final step in my shell care)? 


Others are welcome to chime in, of course.

Thanks.

post #20160 of 46905
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

i'm certainly making no judgement call on whether or not Saphir is good or bad, can damage shoes over time, nor not.  just pointing out the issue that the other member had with it so we can all be aware of it. it may be something to watch out for.   

Thank you, Tristan, for adding your tip.  

 

I agree - that because Patrick had posted his issue with Saphir - that as a customer, I am going to be more watchful for the next few years in making sure I do not overuse the Saphir products.  I have already spent a great deal of time reading the web instructions at numerous Saphir retail sites - and use of the entire 5-step process is more likely geared to professional shoe shops and shiners - who make it their business to properly use the products as designed.  

 

It goes without saying - that many of us just want to bypass B Nelson Shoes in Manhattan or other shops who we would pay to maintain our shoes - by making an investment in the same professional products - but without the professional training to use them.

 

I remember years ago a friend with curly hair wanted to save money by buying hair straightener himself at the local beauty supply store - rather than paying a licensed professional to apply the chemical to his hair.  In the end, he SAVED lots of money, but he permanently damaged his hair as the chemical burned away.

 

So . . .again, thanks for the heads up.  I will be that more vigilant in the proper use of the 5-Step Saphir Process.


David

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