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post #19996 of 49574
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Originally Posted by ElDave View Post

That shine and those rolls - definitely shell. Looks like very faded burgundy.

Could be the Alden shell 994, albeit a very faded, and old, version.
post #19997 of 49574
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Originally Posted by rc121 View Post

Thanks for the opinion, but doesn't chili lean a little more towards the red/burgundy then brown? Still, I think merlot might be a nice choice as its clearly different than chili. Ah, decisions...

Chili is more brown than burgundy.
post #19998 of 49574
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

I wear the black superfeet on top of the factory insoles. Even when I wore my custom orthotics I wore them with the factory insoles in place. So I believe there is a very good chance that they will work for you. There are two variables here though, the thickness of your orthotics and your foot volume. But I still think there is a very good chance that they should work.

Great, thank you very much for that information. That is very helpful to know.

post #19999 of 49574
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Originally Posted by Deladonis View Post


These are some Allen Edmunds I'm trying to find in 14. Any help you can give would be great.
Westgate
Weybridge
Greenwich
Austin
Berkley
Hastings

I would call Allen Edmonds and ask to check on these styles in "seconds".  Many times they have them - especially in a 14 size.  And a second is something that is rarely different to the eye.

 

A New Weybridge in a smaller size is available from Allen Edmonds at Amazon.

 

The following are appearing on eBay:

 

Westgate

Weybridge

Berkley

 

And the following show up in "Completed Listings" - which you can use in the Advance Search.  (Sometimes Completed Listings means the Seller had no buyers, and you could contact the seller later)

 

Greenwich

Austin

Hastings

 

*****************

By going to Google and typing in:  Allen Edmonds Hastings

You can keep track of any new listings in the search results.

post #20000 of 49574

Questions for everyone who owns AE Calfskin AND Shell Cordovan in the SAME STYLE:

 

1)  I spoke to AE customer service and also their recrafting department and asked about the difference.  The first tip they offered me was that the SHELL CORDOVAN is built heavier, stiffer with a thicker hide (for durability) than the CALFSKIN shoes - and therefore the CALFSKIN shoes may feel more comfortable when directly comparing the same style in the SHELL CORDOVAN.  By nature, they said, the CALFSKIN is a softer leather and leans toward more of a comfortable fit.

 

2)  On the downside of the CALFSKIN, they mentioned it requires more care in prevention than the SHELL CORDOVAN - very much like an extremely fine 100% wool suit fine to the touch -  compared to a mixed wool suit that may be more durable. - and the CALFSKIN scuffs more than the SHELL CORDOVAN.  (With my new Saphir Products, I am less concerned about scuffing)

 

Therefore, I would like to hear from others who own BOTH the CALFSKIN and the SHELL CORDOVAN in the SAME AE STYLE - such as owning the Dalton in both Calfskin and Shell.  

 

a)  I'd like to know what your personal experience has been in FIT, COMFORT, and FEEL.  (I suspect you already know that the Shell Cordovan has been more durable - so that is not the point of my inquiry as much)

 

b)  For those who own both in the same style, have you been able to bring the Calfskin version to a similar elegance in shine that the Shell Cordovan's reputation has?  If not, how close have you been able to get the Calfskin to match the Shell Cordovan in shine?

 

c)  When comparing both of the shoes for creasing patterns, does the CALFSKIN have less creasing patterns than the SHELL CORDOVAN?  (Again, with the Saphir Products, many of the Calfskin creases can be greatly minimized in appearance)

 

d)  Has anyone purchased the SAME COLOR in the SAME STYLE in both CALFSKIN and SHELL CORDOVAN - so that one pair can be used in WINTER and the other in SUMMER?  (I read that the SHELL CORDOVAN wears warmer than the CALFSKIN, and depending where someone lives, it may be best to wear them at different temperatures of the year for comfort)

 

All my best,


David

post #20001 of 49574
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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

I received my Merlot McAllister firsts, and while they're otherwise great, I'm a little bothered with the toe caps. In particular, there's a very obvious ridge between the toe cap structure and the rest of the uppers. As much as I want to keep them (and wear them to a wedding today), I'm think I'm going to return them for replacements. I feel that I'm being a tad picky, but I'm also quite sure if I didn't return them I'd likely always look at them and wish I did. If they were seconds, it would be another story. Any comments on how common this minor problem is?

 

 

Regardless that this style might be known to look like this - I would return them and choose something that "does not need explaining" when it the toe is noticed.

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Maiden voyage - brown Cliftons smile.gif

post #20003 of 49574
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Originally Posted by WellroundDred View Post

Thank you for the Welcome.

LOL please excuse me,  I have created the posted via a cell phone( Darn quick text)

Don't worry about emphasizing selective words in all caps.  We welcome you in any regard.


David

post #20004 of 49574
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Originally Posted by WellroundDred View Post

 . . . the Ladies LOVE THEM!!! I am a young man in my late 20s so I am still a bit new to the Lifestyle of Dress shoes however with my Strands the shoes really Heighten the caliber of my Apparel and PERSON.  

 

 

700

 

 

 

 

Nice job.  I have the same color in a similar style.

 

The next step up in the shine may be to go with Saphir Products at the Hangerproject.  (See my earlier posts)

post #20005 of 49574
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Originally Posted by David Copeland View Post

Questions for everyone who owns AE Calfskin AND Shell Cordovan in the SAME STYLE:

 

1)  I spoke to AE customer service and also their recrafting department and asked about the difference.  The first tip they offered me was that the SHELL CORDOVAN is built heavier, stiffer with a thicker hide (for durability) than the CALFSKIN shoes - and therefore the CALFSKIN shoes may feel more comfortable when directly comparing the same style in the SHELL CORDOVAN.  By nature, they said, the CALFSKIN is a softer leather and leans toward more of a comfortable fit.

 

2)  On the downside of the CALFSKIN, they mentioned it requires more care in prevention than the SHELL CORDOVAN - very much like an extremely fine 100% wool suit fine to the touch -  compared to a mixed wool suit that may be more durable. - and the CALFSKIN scuffs more than the SHELL CORDOVAN.  (With my new Saphir Products, I am less concerned about scuffing)

 

Therefore, I would like to hear from others who own BOTH the CALFSKIN and the SHELL CORDOVAN in the SAME AE STYLE - such as owning the Dalton in both Calfskin and Shell.  

 

a)  I'd like to know what your personal experience has been in FIT, COMFORT, and FEEL.  (I suspect you already know that the Shell Cordovan has been more durable - so that is not the point of my inquiry as much)

 

b)  For those who own both in the same style, have you been able to bring the Calfskin version to a similar elegance in shine that the Shell Cordovan's reputation has?  If not, how close have you been able to get the Calfskin to match the Shell Cordovan in shine?

 

c)  When comparing both of the shoes for creasing patterns, does the CALFSKIN have less creasing patterns than the SHELL CORDOVAN?  (Again, with the Saphir Products, many of the Calfskin creases can be greatly minimized in appearance)

 

d)  Has anyone purchased the SAME COLOR in the SAME STYLE in both CALFSKIN and SHELL CORDOVAN - so that one pair can be used in WINTER and the other in SUMMER?  (I read that the SHELL CORDOVAN wears warmer than the CALFSKIN, and depending where someone lives, it may be best to wear them at different temperatures of the year for comfort)

 

All my best,


David

 

I'll respond to each question / comment, if that's ok:

 

1) Yes, out of the box, calfskin is typically softer and definitely stretches more.  The combination can make for a more comfortable shoe, at least for the first few wears.  Calfskin is definitely also lighter weight.  However, shell cordovan softens up over time, and can actually be even softer than a similar shoe in calfskin.  For example, my J. Crew shell cordovan cap-toe boots are even softer than my Cromexcel AE Bayfields now - Each is about 1.5 yrs old.  

 

2) The scuffing comment is interesting - because my shell shoes scuff just as much as my calfskin shoes, just differently.  In my experience, a clean and well-shined shell cordovan shoe will scuff very similarly to a polished and well-shined calfskin shoe.  It is in the abuse where shell cordovan really wins.  If you kick the bottom of a door, or rub the edge of your shoe on a concrete stair, etc... that would spell the end of a calfskin shoe.  Not so with shell cordovan.  

 

a)  On a few occasions, I have "traded up" from calfskin to shell cordovan.  This happened with the Grayson, Dalton, Macneil and Park Ave.  In each case, the shell cordovan version was initially tougher to break in, but after a few wears is easily as comfortable as the calfskin version.  I currently own both shell and calfskin in the tassel loafer (Grayson), longwing (Macneil) and Cap-toe (Park Ave).  In each case, I started with the calfskin version much earlier and when I got an alternative color, I opted for the shell version.  (I.E. calfskin version in black calf, burgundy / brown version in shell cordovan).  

 

b) A well-shined calfskin shoe will be more elegant than a well-shined shell cordovan shoe.  This is due to the thickness of the leather as well as differences in the characteristics of the shine.  Shell cordovan easily attains and retains a dull shine, but does not easily attain a high shine (think mirror shine or even the type of shine corrected grain leather has).  With time and patience, a calfskin shoe will shine better.  

 

c) The creasing patterns are similar, but the creasing itself is different.  Calfskin has "microcreases" shell gets "rolls."  See below: (burgundy shell Grayson, black calf Grayson, #8 Alden shell tassel loafer).  Note particularly the creasing on my left shoe on the two Graysons, exactly the same creasing pattern, but to my eye the actual creasing is much less apparent on the shell version.  

 

 

IMG-20120418-00328.jpg   

 

(note this pic of the Aldens was after 3 straight days of wearing, walking through airports...)

 

d) no - I have taken the attitude that when I want/need a new pair of shoes, I will get the shell cordovan version, unless none is available.  I always prefer wearing my shell shoes.  I do rotate my shoes by season, preferring boots in the winters and loafers in the summers.  However, I have found that some of my shell shoes do get "welts" when exposed to water - so for that reason if it is rainy / snowy / slushy out I either wear my chromexcel Bayfields, calfskin Grayson or Macneil, and/or I use Tingley overshoes.  This is simply out of my own striving to help my shoes last longer, particularly the leathers soles.

post #20006 of 49574
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Originally Posted by sevenfoldtieguy View Post

Could be the Alden shell 994, albeit a very faded, and old, version.

 

Definitely shell, either the aforementioned Alden 994 or potentially the AE "Polo."  In either case, those are faded #8 or burgundy shell cordovan.

post #20007 of 49574

I'm going to have to disagree with some of you on the durability of shell, especially when it comes to scrapes. I have a pair of Alden shell LHS that I scratched on a barstool. No matter what I do to them, I cannot get the scrapes out. I tried a deer polishing bone, brushing, buffing, etc, but nothing works. I took them to B. Nelson shoes, and Nick told me there really isn't anything that can be done.

 

I also spilled a little kitchen grease on them, but didn't notice until several hours later. The grease left behind dark spots on the shoe. I tried buffing, brushing, etc. on those spots too. Nick also gave it a shot, but nothing worked.

 

If I had done either of the above on a pair of calf shoes, chances are, I could have gotten the stains out and/or polished over the stains and scrapes to the point where they would be unnoticeable.

post #20008 of 49574
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Originally Posted by msulinski View Post

I'm going to have to disagree with some of you on the durability of shell, especially when it comes to scrapes. I have a pair of Alden shell LHS that I scratched on a barstool. No matter what I do to them, I cannot get the scrapes out. I tried a deer polishing bone, brushing, buffing, etc, but nothing works. I took them to B. Nelson shoes, and Nick told me there really isn't anything that can be done.

I also spilled a little kitchen grease on them, but didn't notice until several hours later. The grease left behind dark spots on the shoe. I tried buffing, brushing, etc. on those spots too. Nick also gave it a shot, but nothing worked.

If I had done either of the above on a pair of calf shoes, chances are, I could have gotten the stains out and/or polished over the stains and scrapes to the point where they would be unnoticeable.

One could also try wax. To some it's heresy in the ministry of shell, but it'll fill in any scrapes or scuffs to the normal eye.
post #20009 of 49574

Brown Shell Townley's today:

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by David Copeland View Post

Questions for everyone who owns AE Calfskin AND Shell Cordovan in the SAME STYLE:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

1)  I spoke to AE customer service and also their recrafting department and asked about the difference.  The first tip they offered me was that the SHELL CORDOVAN is built heavier, stiffer with a thicker hide (for durability) than the CALFSKIN shoes - and therefore the CALFSKIN shoes may feel more comfortable when directly comparing the same style in the SHELL CORDOVAN.  By nature, they said, the CALFSKIN is a softer leather and leans toward more of a comfortable fit.

 

2)  On the downside of the CALFSKIN, they mentioned it requires more care in prevention than the SHELL CORDOVAN - very much like an extremely fine 100% wool suit fine to the touch -  compared to a mixed wool suit that may be more durable. - and the CALFSKIN scuffs more than the SHELL CORDOVAN.  (With my new Saphir Products, I am less concerned about scuffing)

 

Therefore, I would like to hear from others who own BOTH the CALFSKIN and the SHELL CORDOVAN in the SAME AE STYLE - such as owning the Dalton in both Calfskin and Shell.  

 

a)  I'd like to know what your personal experience has been in FIT, COMFORT, and FEEL.  (I suspect you already know that the Shell Cordovan has been more durable - so that is not the point of my inquiry as much)

 

b)  For those who own both in the same style, have you been able to bring the Calfskin version to a similar elegance in shine that the Shell Cordovan's reputation has?  If not, how close have you been able to get the Calfskin to match the Shell Cordovan in shine?

 

c)  When comparing both of the shoes for creasing patterns, does the CALFSKIN have less creasing patterns than the SHELL CORDOVAN?  (Again, with the Saphir Products, many of the Calfskin creases can be greatly minimized in appearance)

 

d)  Has anyone purchased the SAME COLOR in the SAME STYLE in both CALFSKIN and SHELL CORDOVAN - so that one pair can be used in WINTER and the other in SUMMER?  (I read that the SHELL CORDOVAN wears warmer than the CALFSKIN, and depending where someone lives, it may be best to wear them at different temperatures of the year for comfort)

 

All my best,


David

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by bucksfan View Post

 

I'll respond to each question / comment, if that's ok:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

1) Yes, out of the box, calfskin is typically softer and definitely stretches more.  The combination can make for a more comfortable shoe, at least for the first few wears.  Calfskin is definitely also lighter weight.  However, shell cordovan softens up over time, and can actually be even softer than a similar shoe in calfskin.  For example, my J. Crew shell cordovan cap-toe boots are even softer than my Cromexcel AE Bayfields now - Each is about 1.5 yrs old.  

 

2) The scuffing comment is interesting - because my shell shoes scuff just as much as my calfskin shoes, just differently.  In my experience, a clean and well-shined shell cordovan shoe will scuff very similarly to a polished and well-shined calfskin shoe.  It is in the abuse where shell cordovan really wins.  If you kick the bottom of a door, or rub the edge of your shoe on a concrete stair, etc... that would spell the end of a calfskin shoe.  Not so with shell cordovan.  

 

a)  On a few occasions, I have "traded up" from calfskin to shell cordovan.  This happened with the Grayson, Dalton, Macneil and Park Ave.  In each case, the shell cordovan version was initially tougher to break in, but after a few wears is easily as comfortable as the calfskin version.  I currently own both shell and calfskin in the tassel loafer (Grayson), longwing (Macneil) and Cap-toe (Park Ave).  In each case, I started with the calfskin version much earlier and when I got an alternative color, I opted for the shell version.  (I.E. calfskin version in black calf, burgundy / brown version in shell cordovan).  

 

b) A well-shined calfskin shoe will be more elegant than a well-shined shell cordovan shoe.  This is due to the thickness of the leather as well as differences in the characteristics of the shine.  Shell cordovan easily attains and retains a dull shine, but does not easily attain a high shine (think mirror shine or even the type of shine corrected grain leather has).  With time and patience, a calfskin shoe will shine better.  

 

c) The creasing patterns are similar, but the creasing itself is different.  Calfskin has "microcreases" shell gets "rolls."  See below: (burgundy shell Grayson, black calf Grayson, #8 Alden shell tassel loafer).  Note particularly the creasing on my left shoe on the two Graysons, exactly the same creasing pattern, but to my eye the actual creasing is much less apparent on the shell version.  

 

 

IMG-20120418-00328.jpg   

 

(note this pic of the Aldens was after 3 straight days of wearing, walking through airports...)

 

d) no - I have taken the attitude that when I want/need a new pair of shoes, I will get the shell cordovan version, unless none is available.  I always prefer wearing my shell shoes.  I do rotate my shoes by season, preferring boots in the winters and loafers in the summers.  However, I have found that some of my shell shoes do get "welts" when exposed to water - so for that reason if it is rainy / snowy / slushy out I either wear my chromexcel Bayfields, calfskin Grayson or Macneil, and/or I use Tingley overshoes.  This is simply out of my own striving to help my shoes last longer, particularly the leathers soles.

 

 

 

bucksfan as always did an outstanding job answering, and I agree with him on all points. With the exception of the personal preference that I prefer boots in the winter, which is half the year where I now live, and shoes in the summer with shell chukka's being an option all year long IMO.

 

Here is a side by side comparison of black calf Leeds on bottom with mircocreasing compared to a pair of burgundy shell Leeds in the middle. Both have had 2 sets of heels replaced on them so I think they have somewhat similar number of miles on them.

 

 

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Originally Posted by itsmejson View Post
Maiden voyage - brown Cliftons smile.gif

And they are looking good!

post #20010 of 49574
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Originally Posted by msulinski View Post

I'm going to have to disagree with some of you on the durability of shell, especially when it comes to scrapes. I have a pair of Alden shell LHS that I scratched on a barstool. No matter what I do to them, I cannot get the scrapes out. I tried a deer polishing bone, brushing, buffing, etc, but nothing works. I took them to B. Nelson shoes, and Nick told me there really isn't anything that can be done.

 

I also spilled a little kitchen grease on them, but didn't notice until several hours later. The grease left behind dark spots on the shoe. I tried buffing, brushing, etc. on those spots too. Nick also gave it a shot, but nothing worked.

 

If I had done either of the above on a pair of calf shoes, chances are, I could have gotten the stains out and/or polished over the stains and scrapes to the point where they would be unnoticeable.

for a heavy scrape, any type of leather can show a permanent mar. but for light scrapes, shell can be restored, where leather could oftentimes not be, not to mention the creasing you don't get with shell. 

 

see this video at 8:00 -

 

 

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