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Thank you for the insight, ryansto- I didn't know that the cowhide vs. Calf made a difference.  I think a 10.5 would have been perfect.

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Just received the AE Amok snuff suede chukka from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006WDMX7C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B006WDMX7C&linkCode=as2&tag=tt-20

 

I had been watching it for a while and my size happened to come in stock so I jumped on it. 

 

For under $200., I thought it was a good deal. They are no longer available from Allen Edmonds (not sure why) so may be a good time to grab a pair. 

 

 

 

 

 

Did anyone else get in on this deal? Looks like they still have them in most sizes for $188. I got the snuffs and am considering getting the tan now. No squeaking so far with mine (knock on wood). 

 

The pics on Amazon do not do them justice, they look a lot better in person. 


Edited by mediahound - 4/23/13 at 6:27pm
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Paul,

I would say that I reasonably differ with this assessment. I own tons of AEs, but I think that the question is whether the step that is being done in the DR is a significant part of the construction or not. Does the rubber for the heel or the leather have to be made in the US? No.

In this case, though, the part being done in the DR *is* very important. We're talking about intricately designed, brogued, neatly stitched shoes. Now, the DR factory, I gather, does a very fine job of this, and I love my AEs (most in seconds quality) and I think the value trade-off is absolutely acceptable for AE. But that is a very significant step being done in the AE, even if they're not remotely close to being wearable. If you watch AE videos, they focus on the skilled workers who are looking at the leather, choosing prime pieces, cutting them, perfing/brogue-ing them, and sewing them together into an upper. In fact, when people on this forum complain about problems with the size of the caps, mismatched caps, mismatched leather colors, gouges, slices, missed-stitches, blotches, etc. all with the uppers in this portion of the construction. Now, I buy a lot of seconds, and I don't think these problems are too noticeable. But this potentially DR-produced step is a *huge* part of the process. But I don't know how you can reasonably state that this is a minor part of their construction. From most consumers points of view, who is looking at detailing, stitching and beauty in their shoe, this is a huge part of the construction process.

I'd say this is akin to a bike manufacturer making the gears and frame in another country, and then saying it's not even close to being rideable until they put on wheels, a chain and handle bars in the US. All while saying "our frames and gears are expertly crafted, hand selected, and utterly insignificant to the construction of a bicycle." I do *not* consider that bike to be made in the USA.

I don't consider a pair of brogued wingtips that had their uppers made in the DR to be made in the USA. I do consider AE as a great american company, with top notch support, great prices and wonderful construction. I will still buy AEs as high quality shoes. But the place of construction is, in my opinion, *not* properly represented.

Well said.


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*Note to mediahound- it IS an Allen Edmonds APPRECIATION thread, not a political/socio-economic ethics debate- so I am pretty sure most people reading this would appreciate it if you would piss off. Start another thread, or just take it outside...

 

I would hope that does not mean that content is restricted to cheerleading posts only.  One can have an appreciation of a brand, but still be critical of its methods or its message.  Seems to me that the concerns mediahound raised were stated in both a thoughtful and cogent manner - as was the detailed response by the AE CEO.  The sum total of that discussion has been highly informative, IMO.  Certainly moreso than yet another "AE are the bestest shoos eveerrrrr!" post.


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For your reference, I am an 9.5E in the 5 and the 7 last.  The length is very good in both, the 7 is just a touch more generous in the ball of the foot, which I actually prefer (the 5 last is pretty snug).  I wear a 10D in the 1 last, but i'm sure a 9.5E would fit in that last as well.

Thanks Al! Hmmm.....

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Thanks!  Would you say the Dark Brown or Cappuccino is closer to Alden's Cigar?

I have Alden #8 and Ravello but no Cigar. But according to a post by jkater1 and pictures looks like Dark Brown is pretty close. http://www.styleforum.net/t/141581/allen-edmonds-appreciation-thread/18900#post_6287212

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No Bravo Zulu for me- I received my McTavish 2nds today and they have a 1/4" gash on the driver's side fender.  The size was off too.  I'm always an 11D and I think a 10.5 would be better.  My other AEs are on a 1 (511) last and these are a 5 (65) last which I see is the longest last in AE's arsenal. 

 

Looks like I've gotta say goodbye.

 

 

Sadly, I have to pay for shipping both ways because I'm stationed overseas and can only receive packages via USPS.  Bummer. 

Ouch!! X2 especially with shipping, yeah being overseas can be no fun in many ways. For me I am the same size on the 1 and 5 last. But some other have had to change sizes between the 1 and 5 last. For the rough collection which is Horween Dublin leather I have to size down a half size. I am normally a 10D in the 1 and 5 last which is TTS but for my McTavish, Elgin and Black Hills I had to size down to a 9.5D. Hope that helps and good luck!

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To your point- asked, and answered.

 

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Well, when they make you king of the forum, you'll get decide when the horse is dead.  Can't wait.

 

Speaking of horses asses, new Townleys in da house:

 

 

I must give a major vote of thanks to the forumite who publicized this deal.  Gorgeous shoe, heckuva value.


Wow, gorgeous!

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Media Hound: - (Noun)

~ idiomatic. A person who actively seeks public attention by participating in stunts that generate (negative) publicity.
 
A definition to shed light on what MH's motives truly are.


Ask the Hound about his posted vids on our (Alden) thread showing a man masturbating while caressing his shell cordovan shoes.  He doesn't garner a great deal of respect on our thread either.  He does have a point though, about "made in the USA."  Regardless, AE is a great American company for which I have a ton of respect. 

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Did anyone else get in on this deal? Looks like they still have them in most sizes for $188. I got the snuffs and am considering getting the tan now. No squeaking so far with mine (knock on wood). 

 

The pics on Amazon do not do them justice, they look a lot better in person. 

 

Amok seconds are $99 or less through the AE outlets.

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Townleys look great! Hope you enjoy them! I luv mine
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I've finally figured out why your feet are so small and the shoes barely discernible in all your pictures.  You've been taking your shoe pictures with one of these:


images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0VXgMGgEsiAyKNf23KfSltv_N3HDrWqcKeN6zqnnW2nLGfGx06Q



I've got an old Blackberry with a camera that I don't use.  PM me and I'll mail it to you so you can take pictures of your shoes from less than 10 feet away.  biggrin.gif

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If that is AE, that has to be a shoe that is either on the 0, 3, or 8 last by looking at that toebox....  I don't know the model name, however it can very well be an older shoe that is discontinued.  Regardless, if you want this shoe, your best bet is getting the Strand in bourbon color.  They have brown as well, but the bourbon is really nice and have a very warm tone to it compared to the brown.

http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/producti_SF6105_1_40000000001_-1


Weren't the old Clifton's a 6 eyelit full brogued captoe? Edit, the origina Cliftons did not have a toe medallion

 The only differences between these and the Strand is the "serrated" brogueing along the cap, foxing, quarters, foxing...  the toe medallion is smaller as well, and they are on a different last. 

They look like the Loake Strand (a great shoe, BTW, And my first foray into English shoes) but the broguing is different.
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Amok seconds are $99 or less through the AE outlets.

the current list from shoebank lists some at $99 and some at $134., none lower than $99. but i'm very leary of AE seconds, esp. since it seems they can have some pretty noticeable damage to them, as we have seen above. 

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My pair of burgundy clifton "seconds" arrived today.  The "flaw" is simply a crease at the heel of the shoe where the sides are stitched together.  Considering that I paid $160 (with the 20% off), I'm more than happy with my purchase, and don't feel as bad that I missed out on the Townleys.

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the current list from shoebank lists some at $99 and some at $134., none lower than $99. but i'm very leary of AE seconds, esp. since it seems they can have some pretty noticeable damage to them, as we have seen above. 

MH, I actually thought you made some good points before.  Now, you're just trolling.  Give it a rest.

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the current list from shoebank lists some at $99 and some at $134., none lower than $99. but i'm very leary of AE seconds, esp. since it seems they can have some pretty noticeable damage to them, as we have seen above. 

What last is the Amok on?  Sorry if this was covered.  Is it the 1 last?

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MH, I actually thought you made some good points before.  Now, you're just trolling.  Give it a rest.

don't be such a jerk. 

 

someone posted a picture of their seconds which arrived damaged, someone else also just posted that theirs had damage as well just a couple posts above this one.

 

I said i'm leary of the seconds and i'm 'trolling'? you need help man, big time. 


Edited by mediahound - 4/23/13 at 7:01pm
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