Hey, I'm not trying to curtail the discussion. I'm just pointing out what should be obvious to all the self-righteous types looking to jump down your throat: every time they do that, they become part of what they perceive to be 'the problem'. It's not like I expected them to get it (see how many more pages of 'stop talking about this!' we have had?) - because frankly, if someone can't see this for themselves, painting a picture probably won't help.