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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

No, I live for it. 

That's pretty pathetic.
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Originally Posted by ColtSAA45 View Post

Question for the group, it seems like Dundee's are only made in cordovan, where they ever made in calf?

They were called Malverns but are no longer made. They were not discontinued long ago and if you hunt around you can still find them for cheap. I got a pair a month ago for $200 on 6pm.com
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Originally Posted by ColtSAA45 View Post

Question for the group, it seems like Dundee's are only made in cordovan, where they ever made in calf?

I believe Dundee is always shell cordovan but there are/have been calf/suede chukkas in different names like Amok for the suedes, etc. 

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Originally Posted by Dugan View Post

Important question...Brown burnished calf Jeffersons or brown cordovan Strands?

I own both as well, and I similarly vote Strands, though I love em both.  (Ok, I might be bragging just a little ; )

 

Strands on the right, obviously.  (Alden on the left.)

 

I still don't have any great "in the wild pics" of my Jeffersons, but here ya go!

 

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Originally Posted by PK35216 View Post

I own both as well, and I similarly vote Strands, though I love em both.  (Ok, I might be bragging just a little ; )

 

Strands on the right, obviously.  (Alden on the left.)

 

 

 

 

is that cigar shell? 

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Originally Posted by sevenfoldtieguy View Post

I own both.

Go with the Strands first.

But can't go wrong with either.
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Originally Posted by PK35216 View Post

I own both as well, and I similarly vote Strands, though I love em both.  (Ok, I might be bragging just a little ; )

Strands on the right, obviously.  (Alden on the left.)



I still don't have any great "in the wild pics" of my Jeffersons, but here ya go!



Hmm.....I think I'll call and see if I can special order the Jeffs in cordovan. They've said they would do other models in cordovan before, but not sure about the independence collection.
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Originally Posted by AllenEdmondsCEO View Post

MediaHound -- I'd rather do it all in the USA and be able to simplify around Made in USA (full stop - no qualifier), but our business would most definitely be a lot smaller at those higher prices. Our U.S. employment would be a whole lot less, as a result, and our future prospects much less robust. We're trying to be accessible to a broad range of men and to sustain a great company. Sorry you're not in agreement with how we go about it.

Can we surmise that you are ashamed of the fact that you need to manufacture in the Dominican Republic, but it's a business reality that you have been forced to contend with?  Could this be why it is not really publicized?

 

What about offering more expensive versions that are made 100% made in the USA? A lot of people would probably be willing to pay more for that. It's not all just about low cost. There is a huge market in the USA and abroad currently for American made 'heritage' craftsmanship. Not being able to know whether or not a particular Allen Edmonds shoe has been fully made in the USA or not (even if it was) seems like a real detriment.

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Originally Posted by Dugan View Post

Hmm.....I think I'll call and see if I can special order the Jeffs in cordovan. They've said they would do other models in cordovan before, but not sure about the independence collection.

 

You may want to consider referring to it as a shell McAllister instead of Jefferson when you order, as it might end up costing less. As I understand it, part of the markup of the Independence line comes from its better calf uppers and special outsole. Once you replace the uppers with shell and the sole (presumably) with J. Rendenbach's, there are only a few remaining differences that I'm aware of:

 

  1. "Lined premium full-grain aged calfskin leather upper with ultra-soft lambskin lining"
  2. "Bi-color sole with wheeled edges and bi-color heel"
  3. "brass nails in the heel and a brass vintage Allen Edmonds nameplate on the outsole"
  4. The Jefferson doesn't have perfing or pinking around the throat of the shoe like the McAllister does.
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Originally Posted by ColtSAA45 View Post

Question for the group, it seems like Dundee's are only made in cordovan, where they ever made in calf?

 

Yes, they were. Check the 2000 catalog here on Page 22, lists Dundee in 3601 Black Calf, 3631 Brogue Suede, 3661 Chestnut Burnished Calf, and 3671 Merlot Burnished Calf

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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

You may want to consider referring to it as a shell McAllister instead of Jefferson when you order, as it might end up costing less. As I understand it, part of the markup of the Independence line comes from its better calf uppers and special outsole. Once you replace the uppers with shell and the sole (presumably) with J. Rendenbach's, there are only a few remaining differences that I'm aware of:
  1. "Lined premium full-grain aged calfskin leather upper with ultra-soft lambskin lining"
  2. "Bi-color sole with wheeled edges and bi-color heel"
  3. "brass nails in the heel and a brass vintage Allen Edmonds nameplate on the outsole"
  4. The Jefferson doesn't have perfing or pinking around the throat of the shoe like the McAllister does.

Hmm, interesting thought. Two of the features I like about the Jefferson are the wheeled edge and violin style sole. I hadn't considered the sole that normally comes on their shell shoes. Thanks for the input.
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post



Speaking of horses asses, new Townleys in da house:




I must give a major vote of thanks to the forumite who publicized this deal.  Gorgeous shoe, heckuva value.

These look amazing! How can I get ahold of a pair or are they discontinued?
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

Can we surmise that you are ashamed of the fact that you need to manufacture in the Dominican Republic, but it's a business reality that you have been forced to contend with?  Could this be why it is not really publicized?

What about offering more expensive versions that are made 100% made in the USA? A lot of people would probably be willing to pay more for that. It's not all just about low cost. There is a huge market in the USA and abroad currently for American made 'heritage' craftsmanship. Not being able to know whether or not a particular Allen Edmonds shoe has been fully made in the USA or not (even if it was) seems like a real detriment.

Good grief. Please just stop.

If you ever took the time to even read the business journal article you posted as a link when you started this hullabaloo, you would have read within the first couple paragraphs that one reason for the need for expansion to the DR was due to the lack of people possessing the hand-sewing skills necessary and the inability to find/recruit people willing to learn the trade. Perhaps this is just my naiveté believing this to be true. But it seems rather logical and quite plausible.

As for your final point, I'm pretty sure the only person this has affected is you, and I'm not even sure how much in regards to your purchasing decisions. But the lack of knowledge whether a shoe is fully "made" in the USA or not is not a "real detriment".

Discourse is welcome and all, as we're all adults capable of handling differing opinions, but this has started reaching a point where it seems less about an issue and more about hearing yourself speak or bathing in the attn.

/rant
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Originally Posted by mexicutioner View Post


Sucks when someone selfishly clogs up the thread with their ramblings, doesn't it?

 

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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

No, I live for it. 

 

Can we all stop feeding the Mediahound troll?  The more you feed him, the more he posts.

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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

This takes the cake for worst analogy ever. 

 

No, this is the worst analogy ever:  "HAND-WELTING IS GRANGAARD'S WATERGATE"

 

Media Hound proves the adage that there are some people who would rather climb a tree to act like an asshole than stand on the ground and act like a decent human being.

 

CH
 

 
 
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Thanks to too-many-to-mention SF members help in sizing, I just ordered a pair of McAllister Bourbon taking advantage of the current sales. Here's hoping they work out. smile.gif

Not really a fan of the dark/black edging. Probably would sand paper them and dress them dark brown.

On the other hand, I placed the order before 11 am CST yesterday morning. According to their website, orders placed before then would ship same day. However, when I went online for order status this morning, it appeared that they had not been shipped ffffuuuu.gif
Edited by bellyhungry - 4/23/13 at 5:10am
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