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Originally Posted by sevenfoldtieguy View Post

I own both.

Go with the Strands first.

But can't go wrong with either.
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Originally Posted by PK35216 View Post

I own both as well, and I similarly vote Strands, though I love em both.  (Ok, I might be bragging just a little ; )

Strands on the right, obviously.  (Alden on the left.)



I still don't have any great "in the wild pics" of my Jeffersons, but here ya go!



Hmm.....I think I'll call and see if I can special order the Jeffs in cordovan. They've said they would do other models in cordovan before, but not sure about the independence collection.
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Originally Posted by AllenEdmondsCEO View Post

MediaHound -- I'd rather do it all in the USA and be able to simplify around Made in USA (full stop - no qualifier), but our business would most definitely be a lot smaller at those higher prices. Our U.S. employment would be a whole lot less, as a result, and our future prospects much less robust. We're trying to be accessible to a broad range of men and to sustain a great company. Sorry you're not in agreement with how we go about it.

Can we surmise that you are ashamed of the fact that you need to manufacture in the Dominican Republic, but it's a business reality that you have been forced to contend with?  Could this be why it is not really publicized?

 

What about offering more expensive versions that are made 100% made in the USA? A lot of people would probably be willing to pay more for that. It's not all just about low cost. There is a huge market in the USA and abroad currently for American made 'heritage' craftsmanship. Not being able to know whether or not a particular Allen Edmonds shoe has been fully made in the USA or not (even if it was) seems like a real detriment.

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Originally Posted by Dugan View Post

Hmm.....I think I'll call and see if I can special order the Jeffs in cordovan. They've said they would do other models in cordovan before, but not sure about the independence collection.

 

You may want to consider referring to it as a shell McAllister instead of Jefferson when you order, as it might end up costing less. As I understand it, part of the markup of the Independence line comes from its better calf uppers and special outsole. Once you replace the uppers with shell and the sole (presumably) with J. Rendenbach's, there are only a few remaining differences that I'm aware of:

 

  1. "Lined premium full-grain aged calfskin leather upper with ultra-soft lambskin lining"
  2. "Bi-color sole with wheeled edges and bi-color heel"
  3. "brass nails in the heel and a brass vintage Allen Edmonds nameplate on the outsole"
  4. The Jefferson doesn't have perfing or pinking around the throat of the shoe like the McAllister does.
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Originally Posted by ColtSAA45 View Post

Question for the group, it seems like Dundee's are only made in cordovan, where they ever made in calf?

 

Yes, they were. Check the 2000 catalog here on Page 22, lists Dundee in 3601 Black Calf, 3631 Brogue Suede, 3661 Chestnut Burnished Calf, and 3671 Merlot Burnished Calf

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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

You may want to consider referring to it as a shell McAllister instead of Jefferson when you order, as it might end up costing less. As I understand it, part of the markup of the Independence line comes from its better calf uppers and special outsole. Once you replace the uppers with shell and the sole (presumably) with J. Rendenbach's, there are only a few remaining differences that I'm aware of:
  1. "Lined premium full-grain aged calfskin leather upper with ultra-soft lambskin lining"
  2. "Bi-color sole with wheeled edges and bi-color heel"
  3. "brass nails in the heel and a brass vintage Allen Edmonds nameplate on the outsole"
  4. The Jefferson doesn't have perfing or pinking around the throat of the shoe like the McAllister does.

Hmm, interesting thought. Two of the features I like about the Jefferson are the wheeled edge and violin style sole. I hadn't considered the sole that normally comes on their shell shoes. Thanks for the input.
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Originally Posted by RogerP View Post



Speaking of horses asses, new Townleys in da house:




I must give a major vote of thanks to the forumite who publicized this deal.  Gorgeous shoe, heckuva value.

These look amazing! How can I get ahold of a pair or are they discontinued?
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

Can we surmise that you are ashamed of the fact that you need to manufacture in the Dominican Republic, but it's a business reality that you have been forced to contend with?  Could this be why it is not really publicized?

What about offering more expensive versions that are made 100% made in the USA? A lot of people would probably be willing to pay more for that. It's not all just about low cost. There is a huge market in the USA and abroad currently for American made 'heritage' craftsmanship. Not being able to know whether or not a particular Allen Edmonds shoe has been fully made in the USA or not (even if it was) seems like a real detriment.

Good grief. Please just stop.

If you ever took the time to even read the business journal article you posted as a link when you started this hullabaloo, you would have read within the first couple paragraphs that one reason for the need for expansion to the DR was due to the lack of people possessing the hand-sewing skills necessary and the inability to find/recruit people willing to learn the trade. Perhaps this is just my naiveté believing this to be true. But it seems rather logical and quite plausible.

As for your final point, I'm pretty sure the only person this has affected is you, and I'm not even sure how much in regards to your purchasing decisions. But the lack of knowledge whether a shoe is fully "made" in the USA or not is not a "real detriment".

Discourse is welcome and all, as we're all adults capable of handling differing opinions, but this has started reaching a point where it seems less about an issue and more about hearing yourself speak or bathing in the attn.

/rant
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Originally Posted by mexicutioner View Post


Sucks when someone selfishly clogs up the thread with their ramblings, doesn't it?

 

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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

No, I live for it. 

 

Can we all stop feeding the Mediahound troll?  The more you feed him, the more he posts.

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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

This takes the cake for worst analogy ever. 

 

No, this is the worst analogy ever:  "HAND-WELTING IS GRANGAARD'S WATERGATE"

 

Media Hound proves the adage that there are some people who would rather climb a tree to act like an asshole than stand on the ground and act like a decent human being.

 

CH
 

 
 
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Thanks to too-many-to-mention SF members help in sizing, I just ordered a pair of McAllister Bourbon taking advantage of the current sales. Here's hoping they work out. smile.gif

Not really a fan of the dark/black edging. Probably would sand paper them and dress them dark brown.

On the other hand, I placed the order before 11 am CST yesterday morning. According to their website, orders placed before then would ship same day. However, when I went online for order status this morning, it appeared that they had not been shipped ffffuuuu.gif
Edited by bellyhungry - 4/23/13 at 5:10am
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

Yeah, really pretty easy to ignore anyone's post you may not want to pay attention to. 

 

You can however thank me as you see Mr. Grangaard responding to me, something which most all of you have stated you want to see more of, right?

 

Hey, I'm not trying to curtail the discussion.  I'm just pointing out what should be obvious to all the self-righteous types looking to jump down your throat: every time they do that, they become part of what they perceive to be 'the problem'.  It's not like I expected them to get it (see how many more pages of 'stop talking about this!' we have had?) - because frankly, if someone can't see this for themselves, painting a picture probably won't help.

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Originally Posted by NormP View Post

Thanks to the last 10 pages or so, I will forever associate media hound with this:

 

I think that is an equally apt depiction of all those who continue to repond to his posts, while at the same time complaining that they want discussion of the subject to end.

 

 

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Originally Posted by bl@ster View Post


These look amazing! How can I get ahold of a pair or are they discontinued?

 

I believe they are discontinued.  Thanks, and sorry.

post #19453 of 53249
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Originally Posted by harlequin782 View Post

Im considering getting the Spiaggia.  A couple of people have posted a few pics of them and I simply havent seen a bad looking pic of them yet.  And it looks as though they have the effect of a very clean white tennis shoe, only better.

 

If the funds allow you to get one, I would!  The pictures earlier in the thread is what sold me on mine.  Mine is on the skinny side of things and noticed that the wider shoe is in stock.  Going to order that one and see if it fits better.  Also to make things worse (or better?), I'm very tempted to get the Berkshire now as well.  I need your help folks!

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Originally Posted by bl@ster View Post


These look amazing! How can I get ahold of a pair or are they discontinued?


They were $299 and fairly limited from the Cleveland AE store. Stay on this forum and you'll discover more and more deals! SF has cost me about $1000 and I'm sure it will continue to do so.

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Originally Posted by GOP Shoe Guy View Post

Here are my Great American Shell Cordovans. The Park Avenues just arrived today. They are pictured with the Brown Shell Strand that I got a few weeks back. You all that warned about how dangerous the shell is... well, you are right, I may be addicted. The light isn't the best in the photo, I will get better pics tomorrow in nature. So far, I am loving the Black Shell Park Avenues.

AppleMark

Looking great as always GOP! You do have a knack for getting a great shine on all of your shoes. And yes I would bet there is more shell in your future ;-)

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Originally Posted by polojock615 View Post

This is shell:

new burgundy, old burgundy, black, brown, and walnut

 

AppleMark

 

and add the dark brown....

AppleMark

Now that is some great looking shell, and a well thought out collection! Looking forward very much to your completing the rainbow and the pictures that will follow.

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Originally Posted by Dugan View Post

Important question...Brown burnished calf Jeffersons or brown cordovan Strands?

Like others I have both, well kind of. I have the Strands in walnut shell but they are dark enough that the brown Strands would be redundant for me. I also would pick up the Strands first.

 

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Walnut Strands in center. I need to update a picture soon they have gotten darker as they age of course.

 

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And Jefferson which is a great shoe also. They each have their place in rotation.

 

The Strand is a very unique design which I like, a lot. If you lean toward the classic wingtip design the Cambridge is the McAllister\Jefferson in shell. It is available in burgundy and black but you could ask for a custom order in brown. I would still do the Strand in brown shell however. And get the Cambridge in Burgundy:

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The Cambridge is my favorite wingtip. If I had to pick one that is...

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