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Paul, I am hoping you can address another question raised by someone else regarding the DR production.  (I, for one, am enjoying this conversation and welcome the opportunity to hear from the horse's mouth on these issues.)

 

Specifically, someone commented that a concern with overseas production can be that it is done to save money -- which, no doubt, is the case for Allen Edmonds in the DR -- and that, therefore, it can involve less-than-fair or even exploitative labor conditions and wages for the foreign workers -- which I hope is not the case for Allen Edmonds.  Given that part of the impetus for having some production in the DR must be to save money, what can you tell us about the labor conditions and wages for the Allen Edmonds workers there?  

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Hi everyone, quick question, how far into the toe box should the toes go? 

 

trying to get a good fit on the 5 last is giving me fits, sent back a pair that i ordered in my usual size but felt it was too long, now I'm second guessing myself.

 

I'd go and get measured but the nearest brick and mortar is far :-(

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To help keep this thread on the right track here are my Cappuccino Dundees with Epaulet Olive Sanded UK Canvas Pants


What can be done to prevent the shoe from developing such deep creases.  Although I store my AE shoes proper, they do tend to have a slight crease as shown in the photos above (just not as severe).  Can this be related to an oft-size of the shoe or the choice of a style that does not have a capped toe (such as an Oxford)?

 

Also, I have read where the creases can be greatly removed by some products - but I am not sure where I can find the instructions.


 


Edited by David Copeland - 4/22/13 at 7:53pm
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This was a good suggestion, but regrettably lost on all of those repeatedly shrieking for MH's head on a platter.  You can't control the content of his posts, but you can control the content of your own.  You don't want to see the subject discussed?  Here's a novel idea: stop discussing it, and ignore MH when he brings it up.  Nobody has a gun to your heads forcing you to read his, or eanyone else's posts.

Yeah, really pretty easy to ignore anyone's post you may not want to pay attention to. 

 

You can however thank me as you see Mr. Grangaard responding to me, something which most all of you have stated you want to see more of, right?


Edited by mediahound - 4/22/13 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by Septimus View Post

Paul, I am hoping you can address another question raised by someone else regarding the DR production.  (I, for one, am enjoying this conversation and welcome the opportunity to hear from the horse's mouth on these issues.)

 

Specifically, someone commented that a concern with overseas production can be that it is done to save money -- which, no doubt, is the case for Allen Edmonds in the DR -- and that, therefore, it can involve less-than-fair or even exploitative labor conditions and wages for the foreign workers -- which I hope is not the case for Allen Edmonds.  Given that part of the impetus for having some production in the DR must be to save money, what can you tell us about the labor conditions and wages for the Allen Edmonds workers there?  

Good question. I was about to ask this myself as well because it doesn't seem like this something AE is proud of and wants to willingly share with the world. 


Edited by mediahound - 4/22/13 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by monkeynuts View Post

Hi everyone, quick question, how far into the toe box should the toes go? 

 

trying to get a good fit on the 5 last is giving me fits, sent back a pair that i ordered in my usual size but felt it was too long, now I'm second guessing myself.

 

I'd go and get measured but the nearest brick and mortar is far :-(

I spoke to AE Customer Service today about a similar question, where the Strand comes in a 5 Last and my great looking Sanfords came in a 7 Last - even though the two styles look exactly the same!  Because the Sanford was discontinued (for now), I did not want to order the 5 Last out of fear it would be too long!

 

And yes . . . me too . . . for I am no longer in the big city since we moved to Western Montana a few years ago - so ordering from AE for the right size and fit and look may take me 3 returns!  But guess what!  AE encourages us folks to keep ordering until it gets right!  Love that service.

 

Whatever style you're after, call them and ask what they suggest for the next size.  For me in the Sanford, I found that my 11.5 D was a better fit in a 11-EEE with a 7 Last.  (Reminds me of knowing my sleep number and the price of gasoline)

 

 


Edited by David Copeland - 4/22/13 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by linsook View Post


I appreciate Paul posting here as I'm sure MediaHound does too. Paul has posted about manufacturing in DR about two years ago in a thread on that topic but has not been challenged on very valid points that Mediahound has brought up.

SF is a great place for discussion and disseminating information. You fucking losers that are trying to stifle that rich dialogue should just keep your mouths shut.

 

lol...To be honest, if I had this kind of classless moron supporting my stance on an issue (any issue really), Id hang my head in shame...even if I were right.

 

I also want to make it clear that I think Mediahound initially had a good point, had it not been discussed ad infinitum already.  He actually originally had a very valid point, but it became obvious to me somewhere along the way, that after getting a perfectly respectable answer to his inquiry, his position shifted from one of seeking clarity to pressing an agenda, which to me at least, is misplaced in an Allen Edmonds APPRECIATION Thread.  I mean, we can talk about being communists and shutting the fuck up all we want, but the reality is that in an appreciation thread, this sort of rolling, ongoing military style tribunal is literally off topic.  I think there IS a place to discuss a company's shortcomings or to question their ethics, but it doesnt seem like an appreciation thread would be the place to do it.  Why not start another thread that WOULD directly address the issue, and would remain on topic as well?  I suspect its because this one already has a captive audience.


Edited by harlequin782 - 4/22/13 at 7:41pm
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Originally Posted by monkeynuts View Post

Hi everyone, quick question, how far into the toe box should the toes go? 

 

trying to get a good fit on the 5 last is giving me fits, sent back a pair that i ordered in my usual size but felt it was too long, now I'm second guessing myself.

 

I'd go and get measured but the nearest brick and mortar is far :-(


I've been there.  Luckily I travel quite a bit and managed to get into an AE store for a fitting.  I can tell you that the fit on the #5 last will depend in part on the choice of leather (lined calf, unlined Dublin, suede,cordovan, etc.).  Otherwise, don't focus too much on the length.  Make sure the ball of your foot is on the widest part of the shoe (or as close as possible).  This may leave you with a little more room up front that you are used to.  If that's a problem, then the #5 last may not be a good choice for you.

 

Generally, I've found that shoes with a tapered toebox leave more space up front than the shoes with a rounded toe.  That's just my experience with the shoes in a size that is comfortable on my feet.  Some of us are flat foots (like me), others have high arches, and yet others have feet that are significantly different in size from right foot to left foot.

 

I haven't found a secret formula to getting the best fit right off of the bat.  In some cases, you need patience and perserverance to reach your goal.  But once you get there, life is very good.

 

Best of luck.  Please let us know how you do.

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Here are some before and after pictures of my AE 5th Aves regarding edge dressing. In a previous post I had asked for advice on fixing a splotchy edge dressing on the natural edge after about a years wear. I was afraid to apply new over the existing, so I sanded them down. I found that 600 grit paper clogged quickly and wasn't very effective. I used some 150 grit paper being careful not to nick the uppers. It took a little time but came out pretty good. I used Chili edge dressing to get the final look. What do you think?

Heel Before:


Heel After:


Side by Side Before/After:


Final Result:

I spoke to AE and they also suggested a Natural Edge for my light brown Sanfords (which look close to what you have in color).  Do you think the Chili is better than the Natural?

 

 


Edited by David Copeland - 4/22/13 at 7:52pm
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I have liked that shoe since they introduced it. Now that it is on sale, very tempting.

Great-looking shoe! That is going to be a perfect summer shoe. Thanks for sharing the photo.

Chris
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I have liked that shoe since they introduced it. Now that it is on sale, very tempting.

Great-looking shoe! That is going to be a perfect summer shoe. Thanks for sharing the photo.

Chris

Thank you Sir, will be giving them a serious test run in Vegas this weekend.

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Originally Posted by David Copeland View Post

I spoke to AE Customer Service today about a similar question, where the Strand comes in a 5 Last and my great looking Sanfords came in a 7 Last - even though the two styles look exactly the same!  

Actually the Sanfords were bluchers while Strands are balmorals. So similar, but not exactly the same.
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David

And the usage of a different font/size and the signing of your name in your posts it a bit unnecessary.
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Originally Posted by Pastor View Post

Hi Paul,
I really do appreciate you being on this forum and responding in this manner. While you are here what's the possibility of getting more shoes made in the rare shell colors (i.e. walnut and cappuccino)? I have the Daltons in Walnut and the Dundees in cappuccino and these two shoes get lots of compliments. I'd love other shoes to be available in these colors or other shell colors besides #8, black, and brown.

Thanks!

Hello Pastor - Thanks for your comment. We have limited amounts of lighter cordovan shells left and, with the cordovan shortage, we're unlikely to get more soon. If you'd like a pair, please send me an email at pgrangaard@allenedmonds.com and we'll do our best.

Thanks again.

Best wishes,
Paul
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Originally Posted by tesuquegolfer View Post

Edge Dressing Application: I forgot to mention that I masked the shoe prior to applying the edge dressing. It saved me when the dressing came out pretty quickly one time and got on the tape instead of the shoe. However, I didn't use the painter tape as I was out, and the masking tape I used took off some of the color when I removed it after about 10-15 minutes. I was severely PO'ed to say the least. However, I applied some conditioner/cleaner and brushed like crazy and they got close to the way they were. Man that would have really sucked to have a nice edge on a screwed up shoe. I would recommend not using tape, not sure on the painter tape, but just be careful and blot the edge dobber on a newspaper first then hold the shoe with the uppers facing up in case you do get a run. Also, do it in the garage or over newspaper as I almost dripped on the carpet.

Are you referring to apply the Edge to the Welt and not the edge of the sole?  If so, how about a small tooth-brush?

 

David


Edited by David Copeland - 4/22/13 at 7:51pm
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