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Originally Posted by AllenEdmondsCEO View Post

Gentlemen --

I really don't mind being challenged and, as I said in my long post, reasonable men can differ. However, as wdahab said above, I do have a day job and limited time for posting during the week. So, this time more briefly...

I definitiely did not intend to suggest that upper-making isn't important. It's absolutely crucial to our quality that it is done extremely well. Both of our plants are great at the task, and it isn't an easy job. It takes fantastic fine motor skills and it's the beginning of the entire handcrafted process on that part of the shoe. It just doesn't result in a shoe, not anywhere close to one. That metamorphosis happens entirely here in Port Washington. As for the transparency, this is one of multiple times I've addressed these questions openly. Putting "Made in USA of Fine Imported Leathers, Sometimes European or Brazilian Rubber Soles, Often but Not Always with the Upper Cut and Sewn in the DR and Everything Else Done in the USA" seems too longwinded for the inside of a shoe...even to me. As has been noted previously, we don't yet have a system to track when we use Horween leathers (and we're purposely using more of them all the time) and sew the uppers all in Wisconsin. We still use the "of Fine Imported Leathers" wording for the sake of streamlining the stamping process and making sure we're not wrong, even when it's a Horween with the upper sewn in Port Washington. We're going to work on that one, and Skip Horween is eager for us to do so. So am I, but there are systems requirments ahead of it in our capex budget.

MediaHound's issue (it wasn't a question) that I addressed directly, at least I intended to, was whether calling ourselves The Great American Shoe Company is "disingenuous". That my response sounded like a marketing statement is something I can't argue with. That it seemed like a long string of "American patriotism" is another point I'd agree with... gladly. Believe me, there's a lot more we could have added about how we think (you can disagree) we're "going above and beyond" and deserve that moniker. We're proud of what we're doing here and how it's rejuvenating not just our company but also employment in a formerly robust U.S. manufacturing county.

Less than 1.5% of the shoes bought in the U.S. these days were made in the USA at any steps along the way (according to the American Footwear and Apparel Association's data). We've bucked a multi-decade megatrend and we're glad we did. I would think you guys would be, too, especially because we've done so without charging another $100 (or, depending on the style, much more) for the same shoes made out of the same leathers. As I read these posts, pricing seems to be almost as important as quality when it comes to purchase decisions. So, in the vernacular.... that's how we roll.

Back to work.... Thanks.
Paul

the more I hear from Paul, the more I admire AE. I have more than 20 pair and will buy more in the future. I will definitely buy more if Paul can make the custom order happen, as mentioned in his previous post.
post #19352 of 46825
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Originally Posted by AllenEdmondsCEO View Post

I would think you guys would be, too, especially because we've done so without charging another $100 (or, depending on the style, much more) for the same shoes made out of the same leathers. As I read these posts, pricing seems to be almost as important as quality when it comes to purchase decisions. So, in the vernacular.... that's how we roll.

 

I can personally confirm that value (quality/price) is paramount for my purchasing. Honestly, if your prices weren't so low, I wouldn't be "into" nice shoes. The accessibility of Allen Edmonds shoes is what has allowed me to go from wearing sneakers to work (very laid back office) to being "the guy with the nice shoes". So as they used to say, keep on rollin'...

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Originally Posted by AllenEdmondsCEO View Post


Gentlemen --

I really don't mind being challenged and, as I said in my long post, reasonable men can differ. However, as wdahab said above, I do have a day job and limited time for posting during the week. So, this time more briefly...

I definitiely did not intend to suggest that upper-making isn't important. It's absolutely crucial to our quality that it is done extremely well. Both of our plants are great at the task, and it isn't an easy job. It takes fantastic fine motor skills and it's the beginning of the entire handcrafted process on that part of the shoe. It just doesn't result in a shoe, not anywhere close to one. That metamorphosis happens entirely here in Port Washington. As for the transparency, this is one of multiple times I've addressed these questions openly. Putting "Made in USA of Fine Imported Leathers, Sometimes European or Brazilian Rubber Soles, Often but Not Always with the Upper Cut and Sewn in the DR and Everything Else Done in the USA" seems too longwinded for the inside of a shoe...even to me. As has been noted previously, we don't yet have a system to track when we use Horween leathers (and we're purposely using more of them all the time) and sew the uppers all in Wisconsin. We still use the "of Fine Imported Leathers" wording for the sake of streamlining the stamping process and making sure we're not wrong, even when it's a Horween with the upper sewn in Port Washington. We're going to work on that one, and Skip Horween is eager for us to do so. So am I, but there are systems requirments ahead of it in our capex budget.

MediaHound's issue (it wasn't a question) that I addressed directly, at least I intended to, was whether calling ourselves The Great American Shoe Company is "disingenuous". That my response sounded like a marketing statement is something I can't argue with. That it seemed like a long string of "American patriotism" is another point I'd agree with... gladly. Believe me, there's a lot more we could have added about how we think (you can disagree) we're "going above and beyond" and deserve that moniker. We're proud of what we're doing here and how it's rejuvenating not just our company but also employment in a formerly robust U.S. manufacturing county.

Less than 1.5% of the shoes bought in the U.S. these days were made in the USA at any steps along the way (according to the American Footwear and Apparel Association's data). We've bucked a multi-decade megatrend and we're glad we did. I would think you guys would be, too, especially because we've done so without charging another $100 (or, depending on the style, much more) for the same shoes made out of the same leathers. As I read these posts, pricing seems to be almost as important as quality when it comes to purchase decisions. So, in the vernacular.... that's how we roll.

Back to work.... Thanks.
Paul
 

 

Paul,

 

If you are proud of what you're doing as you state above, why do you selectively hide what you are doing on your public website such as here?:

 

http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/PressReleasesView?langId=-1&storeId=1&catalogId=40000000001

 

Again, you talk a ton about your USA manufacturing all over your site left and right, but nothing on the offshore manufacturing. One would think you are trying to hide it or something.

 

If you are proud of that fact, why fail mention to it? In the link above, I don't even see a single press release on the DR plant, though I see tons of other press releases on many other (arguably less important) topics like holiday sales, etc. 

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I'm about to buy more pairs myself.  I'm going to sell my Hastings (size 11.5D) and my Strands (11.5E) because they simply are the wrong size: I should be in an 11E on the #5 last and don't want to keep these two pair around much longer (I've only worn each about six times each).  I know I'll lose some money on them, despite purchasing them as seconds, but think it's the right move over the longer term.  I have a pair of Bourbon McAllister's coming (11E) and look forward to replacing the other pairs (likely a pair of Strands in Walnut and a pair of Neumoks).  Thinking about passing on black for now...

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Originally Posted by David Copeland View Post

1)  Paul, is this the only forum you participate on?  And is this the only thread/topic you can be found in?

I remain a devoted customer with AE, starting many years ago when I made my first purchase at Nordstroms for a perfect fit.  But with last night's purchase at your web site, I was asked to complete an online AE survey, in which it asked for improvements.  The main improvement I listed was the ability to interact with AE (either at the AE site or here) so that we can pose questions about AE products, services, maintenance, and styles without going through the email or phone method.

2)  I did not know about the DR line you offer, so I took a peek just now and was AMAZED to see a DR shoe design that I can no longer get (the Sanford) titled "The Oxford".  But when I clicked the DR oxford, I was dismayed to see the shoe has rubber tires on the soles (which probably serves a great need for those who wish it).  I would have snapped them up if they had the traditional famous leather AE soles and heal - but it was not to be.  And the Strand Last is quite different than the Sanford Last.  (When my Sanfords needed replacement and AE no longer offered the Sanford, I was sold a Lexington - which I have grown to dislike over the years).

Your AE website still carries the AE official review on the Sanford (which confuses me even more in that - if the Sanford was so popular in sales, then why discontinue it?):

AE Quote:


"Sanford - Cap-toe Lace-up Oxford Men's Dress Shoes by Allen Edmonds.
 
"This shoe is a closeout style, and is therefore limited to the sizes and widths that are currently available online. 
 
"Believe it or not, once and a while even we make mistakes - like discontinuing this shoe after offering it for more than 15 years. But thanks to our loyal customers, who asked for its return more than any other shoe, we brought back this classic in 2010 and now it is more popular than ever. 
 
"The high demand is no doubt a result of combining its more versitile blucher style with the business-ready brogue detail and a dressed up cap-toe. Comfort also plays a big role in its success given that we designed this model to fit a little bit wider through the ball of the foot - meaning the Sanford ideally suits broader feet or ones with higher insteps or arches. 
 
"So there you have it: versatile style plus comfort equals a shoe that is close to perfect, even if we aren't. Click any link below to view similar styles: Leather sole men's lace-up oxford dress shoes Cap-toe blucher with brogue perforations and medallion Part of the ' Timeless Classics Collection' of premium men's shoes Lined premium calfskin leather upper Single oak leather sole 360 degree Goodyear welted construction."
 
3)  With the much talked about Saphir polish and maintenance products (using mink oil and other outstanding ingredients to get a far more superior masked shoe shine to return the look of the shoes to the original out-of-the-box quality), will AE be considering upgrading their polish products in this regard?  (When I called AE support they knew nothing about the Saphir line, even though it is becoming quite the recommended product above all else)
 
Thank you for serving us as the CEO for Allen Edmonds, which carries the weight of many considerations,
 
David Copeland 

David -

We have Facebook and Twitter sites. Someday I hope to have an interactive Forum on our website, but that's a ways into the future. We do have the ability to post reviews on our products, though, and we reply to those directly, which is active dialogue.

I'm not sure what you'd like with respect to the Sanford. We had to re-order the cutting dies for that shoe to re-introduce it -- as the originals had been lost. So, we're more than willing to use them again. Please send me your phone number and I'll have our newly-constituted StyleForum SWAT Team call you directly, if you'd like.

Paul
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MediaHound -- I'd rather do it all in the USA and be able to simplify around Made in USA (full stop - no qualifier), but our business would most definitely be a lot smaller at those higher prices. Our U.S. employment would be a whole lot less, as a result, and our future prospects much less robust. We're trying to be accessible to a broad range of men and to sustain a great company. Sorry you're not in agreement with how we go about it.
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Originally Posted by AllenEdmondsCEO View Post

Just saw this.... I think I understand it and it cracked me up.

Glad to hear that. nod[1].gif I used it to suggest that the ensuing discussion would be thoroughly entertaining to observe, and it absolutely has been. Thanks for your participation in this forum, sir. Your posts have been interesting and informative, and have made me an even greater fan of your company. As a college student, I'm a relatively new Allen Edmonds customer and currently own only 2 pairs (black Park Aves. and brown Fifth Aves.), but I absolutely plan to acquire more as funds allow. No question in my mind that AE is indeed "The Great American Shoe Company".
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Hi Paul,
I really do appreciate you being on this forum and responding in this manner. While you are here what's the possibility of getting more shoes made in the rare shell colors (i.e. walnut and cappuccino)? I have the Daltons in Walnut and the Dundees in cappuccino and these two shoes get lots of compliments. I'd love other shoes to be available in these colors or other shell colors besides #8, black, and brown.

Thanks!
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the chili calf Daltons that are on sale now.  Has all this discussion about "Made in the USA" distracted everyone?  Well, as my moniker implies, I am a boot guy and although I already have two pairs of Daltons (walnut shell and burgundy shell), I couldn't pass up this sale.

 

I'd been waiting for the walnut calf Daltons to go on sale as I really wanted a lighter color pair of Daltons (my pair of walnut shell Daltons are way darker than the calf walnut) but I will now need to be satisfied with the chili (for awhile anyway until the walnut calf go on sale).  I now have 6-8 weeks to wait...

 

Has anybody else succumbed?

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Originally Posted by BootSpell View Post

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the chili calf Daltons that are on sale now.  Has all this discussion about "Made in the USA" distracted everyone?  Well, as my moniker implies, I am a boot guy and although I already have two pairs of Daltons (walnut shell and burgundy shell), I couldn't pass up this sale.

I'd been waiting for the walnut calf Daltons to go on sale as I really wanted a lighter color pair of Daltons (my pair of walnut shell Daltons are way darker than the calf walnut) but I will now need to be satisfied with the chili (for awhile anyway until the walnut calf go on sale).  I now have 6-8 weeks to wait...

Has anybody else succumbed?

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Originally Posted by linsook View Post

For the guys who keep asking for a ban, shut the f**k up. There are two men having a civil discussion and you lot can't keep your annoying jabs to yourself.

Yeah, it seems some here want to try to control, manipulate and bully me. It's not going to happen.
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For the guys who keep asking for a ban, shut the fuck up. There are two men having a civil discussion and you lot can't keep your annoying jabs to yourself.

So much for civility. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

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Paul,

 

If you are proud of what you're doing as you state above, why do you selectively hide what you are doing on your public website such as here?:

 

http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline/PressReleasesView?langId=-1&storeId=1&catalogId=40000000001

 

Again, you talk a ton about your USA manufacturing all over your site left and right, but nothing on the offshore manufacturing. One would think you are trying to hide it or something.

 

If you are proud of that fact, why fail mention to it? In the link above, I don't even see a single press release on the DR plant, though I see tons of other press releases on many other (arguably less important) topics like holiday sales, etc. 

 

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Originally Posted by AllenEdmondsCEO View Post

MediaHound -- I'd rather do it all in the USA and be able to simplify around Made in USA (full stop - no qualifier), but our business would most definitely be a lot smaller at those higher prices. Our U.S. employment would be a whole lot less, as a result, and our future prospects much less robust. We're trying to be accessible to a broad range of men and to sustain a great company. Sorry you're not in agreement with how we go about it.

 

So you rather keep it hush hush I guess?

 

Let me be clear, I'm not in disagreement with what you are doing, just how sneaky you are about it. Although you have stated you are proud of what you are doing, it doesn't sound like this is the case since you mostly choose to hide this part of what you are doing everywhere on the website. 

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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post


Yeah, it seems some here want to try to control, manipulate and bully me. It's not going to happen.

 

I don't know how you deal with all the persecution here in this thread that you liken to a North Korean police state.  **Roll eyes** 

 

In case anyone hasn't noticed, there is a direct correlation between Mediahound's posts and the attention we give him.  I think it's time we drown out his attention-seeking by ignoring MH and letting Paul know how much we appreciate his posting here. 

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I just noticed the Berkshires in the Clearance Section of the Allen Edmonds site - and they are an additional 15% off through 4/29. I have the Berkshire so I shouldn't buy another pair - but I am tempted because this shoe is a screaming bargain at $125!

I really enjoy mine - great for jeans and khakis.


Chris
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