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post #18526 of 52456
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Originally Posted by patrick_b View Post

Anybody have pictures of the dark brown shell Leeds?

 

Where do you see them?  I haven't seen them made recently.

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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Anyone have further commentary on the Butyl soles? Can you get them in single soles (e.g. could I recraft a pair of shoes with butyl without having to go with the double soles that are used on the boots)?

When I ordered my Daltons, I didn't realize there was even anything different--just thought they had colored the sole to match the rest of the boot...but then I realized that even when the sole scuffs on things, it doesn't reveal layers of normal looking leather and I looked it up and realized it was the butyl leather sole. It didn't say what that meant but over the past winter, I have noticed that they do seem to do very well with wet streets. I don't end up with wet socks after walking around in the rain.

Figured this might be mostly because of the double sole taking longer to soak through but I found this quote from AE customer service:
So that explains it. Are there any downsides to this? Seems like the best of both worlds--you get a true leather sole, but you get a large amount of the water resistance of a rubber sole. Its not like it is an ugly color--I think it would actually do great on the bottom of some black park avenues (assuming it is available in a single leather sole).

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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

Though the AE website says others, I believe the Neumok has single butyl soles. See this very informative post from MoneyWellSpent for more information.

I think the Fifth Street have single Butyl leather soles too.
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Here's the butyl sole on my custom Neumok.  I like it.

 

AppleMark

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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Anyone have further commentary on the Butyl soles? Can you get them in single soles (e.g. could I recraft a pair of shoes with butyl without having to go with the double soles that are used on the boots)?

When I ordered my Daltons, I didn't realize there was even anything different--just thought they had colored the sole to match the rest of the boot...but then I realized that even when the sole scuffs on things, it doesn't reveal layers of normal looking leather and I looked it up and realized it was the butyl leather sole. It didn't say what that meant but over the past winter, I have noticed that they do seem to do very well with wet streets. I don't end up with wet socks after walking around in the rain.

Figured this might be mostly because of the double sole taking longer to soak through but I found this quote from AE customer service:
So that explains it. Are there any downsides to this? Seems like the best of both worlds--you get a true leather sole, but you get a large amount of the water resistance of a rubber sole. Its not like it is an ugly color--I think it would actually do great on the bottom of some black park avenues (assuming it is available in a single leather sole).

I have them on the 744 LTD shell boots and love them. In fact they are so good I don't think that I'm going to bother putting Vibram lug half soles on them. On the other hand the 5th St. Boot also has them and they are totally different. Not sure if it was a bad batch or what but they are very soft and pick up stones and rocks badly. There are some large boulders in here:

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And use the serrated edge of a butter knife to clean them up, it leaves some large craters:

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These I will eventually get around to putting a thin dress half sole on to protect the butyl soles. But I suspect there was an issue with them to start with. Someone else said that theirs chipped easily which I would think means they were too hard, where as mine were too soft. Not sure how common this is.

 

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Originally Posted by patrick_b View Post

Anybody have pictures of the dark brown shell Leeds?

I do Patrick, custom order with natural welt. 

 

With burgundy shell and black calf Leeds trifecta.

 

The natural welt makes them more casual which is what I was shooting for, but not too casual.

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Does the butyl sole last significantly longer than the typical oak sole?

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Thanks CI, I knew I saw them somewhere.
post #18532 of 52456
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Anyone have further commentary on the Butyl soles? Can you get them in single soles (e.g. could I recraft a pair of shoes with butyl without having to go with the double soles that are used on the boots)?

When I ordered my Daltons, I didn't realize there was even anything different--just thought they had colored the sole to match the rest of the boot...but then I realized that even when the sole scuffs on things, it doesn't reveal layers of normal looking leather and I looked it up and realized it was the butyl leather sole. It didn't say what that meant but over the past winter, I have noticed that they do seem to do very well with wet streets. I don't end up with wet socks after walking around in the rain.

Figured this might be mostly because of the double sole taking longer to soak through but I found this quote from AE customer service:
So that explains it. Are there any downsides to this? Seems like the best of both worlds--you get a true leather sole, but you get a large amount of the water resistance of a rubber sole. Its not like it is an ugly color--I think it would actually do great on the bottom of some black park avenues (assuming it is available in a single leather sole).

You can get the butyl in a single sole. i am having a pair of MacNeils and a PTB done with the sole.
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

I have them on the 744 LTD shell boots and love them. In fact they are so good I don't think that I'm going to bother putting Vibram lug half soles on them. On the other hand the 5th St. Boot also has them and they are totally different. Not sure if it was a bad batch or what but they are very soft and pick up stones and rocks badly. There are some large boulders in here:
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And use the serrated edge of a butter knife to clean them up, it leaves some large craters:
1000

These I will eventually get around to putting a thin dress half sole on to protect the butyl soles. But I suspect there was an issue with them to start with. Someone else said that theirs chipped easily which I would think means they were too hard, where as mine were too soft. Not sure how common this is.
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I do Patrick, custom order with natural welt. 



With burgundy shell and black calf Leeds trifecta.



The natural welt makes them more casual which is what I was shooting for, but not too casual.

Well said, Cold Iron. I love the butyl sole on my 744s, because they are just the perfect amount of "grippiness". Plain leather soles can get slippery on smooth surfaces like marble, particularly when the surface is wet. I also think butyl is a little more water resistant, although they still have stitching, so I'd stop well short of calling them waterproof.

I would not hesitate to get them on a less rugged shoe, as well. I might even choose them over the combination/v-tread for a dress shoe, depending on how they looked.
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Originally Posted by ajmanouk View Post

Anyone know a place in downtown Toronto I can pick up some kiwi tan polish to shine my walnut strands? Tried Novelty Shoe but to no avail =(

 

I just tried the tan polish for the first time on a pair of walnut Park Avenues and I wasn't impressed. It's yellow wax polish, and when the wax catches on the stitching it leaves little bits of yellow residue that contrast horribly against the darker thread. I've never used the mid-tan, but I would imagine that it would be closer in hue to walnut than the tan polish is.

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Somebody please guide me on AE cordovan caring. I never had this problem with Alden shell cordovan, but with all AE shells, there is crazy amount of factory polish on shoes.
It blocks nature shine of cordovan. I used saphir renovatuer over 10 times on one of brown shell, I still get brown polish off shoes.
I do use mac method to care my shoes, but I can't get shine like alden cordovan on AE.
I remember, someone was going to use renomat on shell to remove polish off the shoes.
Can anyone comment on that method?

Thanks in advance!
post #18536 of 52456
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Originally Posted by ajmanouk View Post

Anyone know a place in downtown Toronto I can pick up some kiwi tan polish to shine my walnut strands? Tried Novelty Shoe but to no avail =(

Try shoppers drug mart. Some of them have kiwi "light tan". I bought mine at one in Union station.
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Originally Posted by sungmineyo View Post

Somebody please guide me on AE cordovan caring. I never had this problem with Alden shell cordovan, but with all AE shells, there is crazy amount of factory polish on shoes.
It blocks nature shine of cordovan. I used saphir renovatuer over 10 times on one of brown shell, I still get brown polish off shoes.
I do use mac method to care my shoes, but I can't get shine like alden cordovan on AE.
I remember, someone was going to use renomat on shell to remove polish off the shoes.
Can anyone comment on that method?

Thanks in advance!

I have Renomat on its way to me for exactly this purpose. I'll report back when I get it and use it on my shell.
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Originally Posted by Flyswatter View Post

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Well unfortunately, I didn't have much better like with my second attempt at finding a pair of black Park Avenues that don't gape. I received a pair of seconds today from the Jville outlet, and while the gaping isn't quite as bad as on the pair on I posted pics of (even that gaping was relatively minor compared to some pics I've seen, though), it's still enough to cause me to send these back. Once again though, the gaping is only on the right shoe. Rather odd and frustrating. I still have the first quality PAs with gaping that I posted about earlier, but as I don't live near an AE store, figured I'd try my luck with seconds again, and if they worked-out, just get my money back for the firsts.

I think New Shoes1 might be onto something with his suggestion that gaping is much more common on Park Avenues and/or black calf Park Avenues. I would have assumed that Fifth Avenues would be prone to gaping at exactly the same rate since it's essentially the same shoe, just with perforations on the toe cap. But I'm 1/1 in scoring Fifth Aves with no gaping, and 0/2 with Park Aves. Then again, maybe it's the brown vs. black leather. I definitely notice a difference in the look and feel of the brown vs. black calf in terms of softness and texture.

If the gaping is indeed more common on the Park Aves and not so much on the Fifth Aves, should I give up on the black Park Aves and just go for a pair of Fifth Aves? Obviously in attempting to acquire black Park Avenues, I'm looking for a strictly formal and conservative shoe that can be worn when the occasion calls for such attire (job interview, funeral, etc.). Would the Fifth Avenue work just as well in those occasions, or does the addition of the perforations along the toe cap really bring down the formality of the shoe? Thoughts?

A follow-up on this saga for anyone interested...

I received my second pair of black Park Avenues from the Jville store today, and they too have slight but nonetheless bothersome gaping. This is now my third pair in a row of brand-new, direct from AE Park Avenues that suffer from gaping. I'm rather peeved at this point, and frankly I'm ready to give up on Allen Edmonds altogether. I'm happy with my pair of brown Fifth Avenues that don't gape (and proves this isn't an issue of improper fit or my foot not being compatible with the last), but 0 for 3 on Park Aves is ridiculous. This isn't what I had in mind when deciding to drop some serious money on what is supposed to be the premier American-made men's shoe. It's rather unfortunate, because I otherwise really like the design and quality of the Park Avenue and many other shoes in the Allen Edmonds product line.

Mr. Grangaard, if you're still reading this thread, I encourage you to take care of the problem of gaping/bowing around the ankles once and for all, as you're about to lose me as a customer because of it. I normally wouldn't bother appealing directly to a CEO over such a matter, but you seem to genuinely care about complete customer satisfaction and perfection in quality of your product, which I really appreciate. I know I am not alone in the sentiment that this seemingly trivial issue ruins the otherwise beautiful look of your shoes. It's a shame, too, as I had my eye on quite a few of the shoes in AE's lineup to eventually add to my wardrobe. But if it's going to take 3+ tries to get a pair free of this construction defect every time I buy a new pair of AE shoes, then forget it. In my mind, part of the appeal of purchasing quality products such as Allen Edmonds shoes is knowing that it's going to be right the first time, every time. Not 25% of the time, which has been my experience.

I made one more request to Monica at the Jville store for another exchange, though I know by now she's probably frustrated with me. If this fourth pair of Park Avenues has the gaping issue, I'll disappointingly start looking elsewhere to fill my need for a black captoe oxford. Perhaps Meermin, Andrew Lock, or maybe I'll even make the leap to Alden. They seem to be able to make shoes that don't gape... shog[1].gif
Edited by Flyswatter - 4/9/13 at 11:03pm
post #18539 of 52456
ok here is my dilema.

i recently bought a stack of wooden shoe trees from sierra trading post.
pretty much these ones. http://www.sierratradingpost.com/mens-shoe-trees~d~399/

i have a bunch of AE shoes that i got them for. when i place the shoe tree in one of the shoes, say the park avenue, i am worried about one thing.
because u have to push the heel part of the shoe tree into the toe compartment, so it all fits inside the shoe, does that not stretch the shoe lengthwise over time??
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Originally Posted by kmdsimpson View Post

I have Renomat on its way to me for exactly this purpose. I'll report back when I get it and use it on my shell.

Ohhh thank you!
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