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Foo, I thought these were the pinnacle of shoe-dom?

 

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Originally Posted by TheSizzle View Post

Now, let me start off by saying that I've worn my fair share of shoes that lean far more to the European aesthetic (I spent a good set of years out there). As far as the wholecuts, I do own a couple pairs, and my first pair was purchased around the age of 17.

In Europe, you'd never see a stylish man wearing shoes with stitches showing. Even when European men do more casual things like hiking or hunting, they dress in a more sophisticated fashion. It's just about being more attentive to detail! You don't need the stitches to show for the shoes to be tougher. When they show, it's just more lazy finishing or meant to look rustic.
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In Europe, you'd never see a stylish man wearing shoes with stitches showing. Even when European men do more casual things like hiking or hunting, they dress in a more sophisticated fashion. It's just about being more attentive to detail! You don't need the stitches to show for the shoes to be tougher. When they show, it's just more lazy finishing or meant to look rustic.

 

There is no disagreement as to whether European style and American style differ. The disagreement here pertains to whether the boot you recommended is a valid recommendation for the individual in question. 

 

As far as the stitches, I wouldn't call their inclusion lazy. Rather, I'd say it was intentional and an aesthetic choice. Yes, it makes the shoes appear more rustic, but stitching may be used for stylistic purposes, and that pertains to the eyelets around a classic chukka.

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Sizzle:  Foo is pulling your leg.  Check out his posts today in other threads, like the Good Taste thread.  If not, I cannot wait for his fit picture tomorrow wearing his wholecuts with no socks, cropped pants, a bright red pullover and FU jacket.

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Originally Posted by Septimus View Post

Foo, I thought these were the pinnacle of shoe-dom?



Horses for courses, but personally, I like to be more stylish than that. The little holes and all that extra stitching scream low quality. I know, I know--Prada did a lot of similar holed-up designs a couple years ago, but again, it takes a discerning eye to tell that they were done that way on purpose.
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I got an e-mail from the Phoenix AE store about this sale. It listed 3 or 4 styles and said there were more styles included.

 

Nice. Which styles were these?

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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post

Sizzle:  Foo is pulling your leg.  Check out his posts today in other threads, like the Good Taste thread.  If not, I cannot wait for his fit picture tomorrow wearing his wholecuts with no socks, cropped pants, a bright red pullover and FU jacket.

 

I am relatively aware of mafoofan's ways, but for the sake of this thread, I find it valid to discuss when less than optimal recommendations are made.

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Originally Posted by TheSizzle View Post

Now, let me start off by saying that I've worn my fair share of shoes that lean far more to the European aesthetic (I spent a good set of years out there). As far as the wholecuts, I do own a couple pairs, and my first pair was purchased around the age of 17.

I think the point is that he's wearing what seems to be chinos, and not slim extremely thin ones. Given that, as opposed to a sleeker, more tailored wardrobe, I think the boots he posted are a great fit. The lines and materials of the shoe seem to match with his personal style better than the ones you posted. If he had posted slimmer pants, I might have supported your recommendation. Style is personal, and these seem to fit him. I think by saying "you want people to..." you're assuming he wants a certain reaction, and perhaps he seeks another. I think those flow with his apparent wardrobe (from what I can gather).

Couldn't have said it better myself. Those boots posted would not fit anything in my wardrobe. Just not my style, and my office is very business casual, so I can get away with most any shoe. And this is not my only boot, I have most bases covered. A wholecut as mentioned would be nice though.
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Like I said, I totally get the appeal of the hiking boot look. I'm just saying, for formal dressing it's best to wear something that is more obviously high quality. It's just a matter of context, I guess. Lanvin did these really spectacular hand-painted, hand-distressed booties a couple of years ago. They were like $2,000 and definitely high quality, but it takes a discerning eye to know it. So, when you're trying to look more conservative for work and still want to look sharp, you really need to hide the handmade, rustic details (like stitching). You want people to look from 10 feet away and see a really sleek, streamlined shoe that is finished super-professionally, with as few seams and stitches showing as possible. Have you heard of wholecut shoes? Those are the best, highest quality shoes you can get (and the most sleek!). Guess what? They have the fewest seams and stitches!

I understand certain more stylish looks might come across as more feminine to some, but fashion is all about evolving! We are wearing tighter, shorter suit jackets these days. Twenty years ago, people would have thought Thom Brown was absolutely insane! Now, a shorter cropped jacket is totally crucial! Otherwise, you'll look like you're dad, or even worse, your granddad!

C'mon Mafoofan, you know you're comparing apples and oranges here. You were the proponent of the Alden LWB One Shoe back in the day. These are totally different aesthetics. And, I might point out, the gentleman with the Dundees in not wearing a suit!

Is this an April Fool's joke? Or did someone hijack your username?
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Originally Posted by TheSizzle View Post

There is no disagreement as to whether European style and American style differ. The disagreement here pertains to whether the boot you recommended is a valid recommendation for the individual in question.

Fashion is global today! I don't really think of style as being "European" or "American." It's more about where you draw your inspiration from. It just happens that--quality-wise--the Italians make the best shoes in the world (Ferragamo, Testoni, Tod's, etc.). Sure, there are a few outliers, like Bally and Hermes, but they are all part of the same Continental school. Budget American brands might be a good value, but they are always a step (or two) behind.
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Originally Posted by TheSizzle View Post

As far as the stitches, I wouldn't call their inclusion lazy. Rather, I'd say it was intentional and an aesthetic choice. Yes, it makes the shoes appear more rustic, but stitching may be used for stylistic purposes, and that pertains to the eyelets around a classic chukka.

We have to think forwards, not backwards! Like I said, if you are trying to make a statement, then sure, stitches showing and holes and whatever can make sense, but if you are just looking for a good shoe to wear day-to-day, those things should be avoided if possible!
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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post

Sizzle:  Foo is pulling your leg.  Check out his posts today in other threads, like the Good Taste thread.  If not, I cannot wait for his fit picture tomorrow wearing his wholecuts with no socks, cropped pants, a bright red pullover and FU jacket.

Ah. Someone caught him. I suspected, as you can see, but had not seen his posts in other threads.

(Although I have to say his Thom Browne references were very suspicious.)

Bravo, Mafoofan! And I mean that sincerely. You've caused a stir while still being polite about it; been a few jerks around here lately.
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post


Fashion is global today! I don't really think of style as being "European" or "American." It's more about where you draw your inspiration from. It just happens that--quality-wise--the Italians make the best shoes in the world (Ferragamo, Testoni, Tod's, etc.). Sure, there are a few outliers, like Bally and Hermes, but they are all part of the same Continental school. Budget American brands might be a good value, but they are always a step (or two) behind.
 
 

The idea that inspiration may be drawn from different regions implies that regional variations exist. As to the concept of style being global, I disagree. What may be suitable and acceptable for one region may not be appropriate for all. Would western fashion be absolutely acceptable in Afghanistan? That may be a bit on the extreme side, but both locations fall within the global classification you presented. 

 

As far as quality, I agree that it's a spectrum. However, I don't find the quality of these to be anything short of acceptable. These are well-made shell chukkas, and they apparently work within the style and budget parameters of the individual who posted them.

 

 

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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

We have to think forwards, not backwards! Like I said, if you are trying to make a statement, then sure, stitches showing and holes and whatever can make sense, but if you are just looking for a good shoe to wear day-to-day, those things should be avoided if possible!
 

I don't think stitching and a good-looking shoe for day-to-day wear are mutually exclusive concepts. While this sort of stitching may not be the best choice for pairing with more formal suits, wearing wholecuts with jeans would not work. There is not oneShoe for every outfit.

 

I'm starting to wonder how much of your posts in this thread today have been of then trolling variety.

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Originally Posted by TheSizzle View Post

The idea that inspiration may be drawn from different regions implies that regional variations exist. As to the concept of style being global, I disagree. What may be suitable and acceptable for one region may not be appropriate for all. Would western fashion be absolutely acceptable in Afghanistan? That may be a bit on the extreme side, but both locations fall within the global classification you presented.

I recently wore a shemagh over a leather Mao jacket with painted corduroys and vintage motorcycle boots. So, style certainly can be global! You just have to think globally!
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Originally Posted by TheSizzle View Post

As far as quality, I agree that it's a spectrum. However, I don't find the quality of these to be anything short of acceptable. These are well-made shell chukkas, and they apparently work within the style and budget parameters of the individual who posted them.

I agree, budget matters. I didn't mean to offend anyone by suggesting things that might be financially out of reach! I just thought for discussion's sake I'd introduce some more sophisticated ideas from a broader context.
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There is not oneShoe for every outfit.

Of course not! Every outfit has to craft itself. Michelangelo once said that sculpting was like freeing a predetermined form from the rock imprisoning it. He never quite knew what would reveal itself until he was finished! So, why should fashion be any different? Every day is new and full of possibilities.
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

I recently wore a shemagh over a leather Mao jacket with painted corduroys and vintage motorcycle boots. So, style certainly can be global! You just have to think globally!
I agree, budget matters. I didn't mean to offend anyone by suggesting things that might be financially out of reach! I just thought for discussion's sake I'd introduce some more sophisticated ideas from a broader context.
Of course not! Every outfit has to craft itself. Michelangelo once said that sculpting was like freeing a predetermined form from the rock imprisoning it. He never quite knew what would reveal itself until he was finished! So, why should fashion be any different? Every day is new and full of possibilities.

Mafoofan, I'm not sure what you mean. Can you share some pictures of yourself showing these styles off? It would really help in visualizing them.
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Originally Posted by kmdsimpson View Post

Mafoofan, I'm not sure what you mean. Can you share some pictures of yourself showing these styles off? It would really help in visualizing them.

I wish I could, but I don't like to steal from myself by photographing my outfits. Each one lives its own life.
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