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Dalton and Player's Shoe, after a fresh coat of renovateur. The Player's Shoe is about a year older, and you can really see the patina a year more of use gives them.

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Originally Posted by PK35216 View Post

I used Renomat (a lot of it) to clean deep down and remove a lot of black gunk.  Then I used AE conditioner cleaner, because this was a year ago and I hadn't gotten Renovateur yet, I think.  I used way too much cleaner conditioner before I learned better to apply very small amounts of product to shell.

 

Here recently, I adopted the Mac Method of using a damp cloth and horse hair brushing. Then a very little Renovateur and a little AE cordovan polish around the dried out parts that I probably stripped too much with Renomat when I first got them.

 

I used fine grain sand paper to strip the sole edges and chili dressing to give a more natural welt look.  Below are some pics when I first got them and started refinishing. 

 

Incidentally, I don't have any Venetian Shoe Cream.

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 You can see the right shoe was overloaded with product and would not shine up.  I eventually stripped that down and learned a neat little trick with this pair of shell and some AE brown shell Strands that I got new, but had a similar problem with too much factory polish on one shoe, such that it wouldn't shine up.

 

Take a clean dry finger, like your thumb and swipe it across the surface of the shoe. It should squeak from the friction.  If it doesn't squeak, then there is too much product and it won't shine up.  With both shoes, I applied Renomat in numerous applications until I got to the squeak.  Then a light bit of Renovateur or AE shell polish, brushing, and then after several wears, the Mac Method. 

 

After some trial and error (but before following the Mac Method) I made some improvemens by stripping down the excess cleaner conditioner:

 

 

However, the right shoe still wouldn't shine up as well, and after one day's wearing, the right shoe was dull in comparison to the left.

 

Recently, I started the Mac Method, yielding much better results. I scrubbed that shoe repeatedly with the damp cloth, then brushing, then repeated the process several times over an hour.  The squeak test started to work much better, such that I felt confident applying the little bit of Renovateur and then AE shell polish to just a few dry areas.

 

The results picture I posted last week:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Check out the example of my brown shell AE's for the first many months I owned them, when I couldn't get one toe to polish up due to too much product (some of that being my fault by applying a bunch of AE cleaner conditioner when I first got them). Then look at my efforts from last week following the Mac Method.  Much better results.

 

Right out of the box, they didn't look bad, but I mistakenly applied a whole bunch of cleaner conditioner and futzed up the left toe:

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Great job and all that work paid off big time! 

 

The squeak test would not work on the left toe forever, but this past week I got down to the good stuff with repeated mac method applications. Very pleased with the results:

 

 

Just Beautiful...

 

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Thanks, a lot, Patrick!  That was the first time I tried that, and I got lucky.  It helped that I got them cheap off ebay and was not as worried about taking a chance. 

 

One tip:

 

I used Scotch tape on the shell upper just above the welt, such that when the sand paper slipped a little bit and potentially hit the shell upper, it didn't scratch.  Kind of like using "painter's tape" if that makes sense.

 

Also, AE's chili edge treatment is awesome.  Neutral is also good to have.

 

Incidentally, I've been meaning to try the natural edge treatment on some vintage Florsheim Imperial Burgundy Shell PTB's. I'll post results when I do it.  The shoes are below.

 

 

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Originally Posted by patrick_b View Post

Don't forget the effect of sunlight. My alden boots have lightened up in certain areas caused by sunlight exposure and wear.

I always loved this blog post by Nick Horween about the effect of sun on shell. Remainder of post at Leffot blog:

http://leffot.com/2011/08/31/the-brownout-by-nick-horween/
Remainder of post at Leffot blog:

http://leffot.com/2011/08/31/the-brownout-by-nick-horween/

I've always liked that article too. And Namor has one on his website with Alden shoes in San Fran that have been on display. Nick warns that doing it for too long can let the underlying nature of the shell show through and that can be a bad thing. My #8 Leeds are pretty old, the first couple of years they faded but then about the time I replaced the first set of heels on them they seemed to slow down a lot over the last 5 years or so. But you can still see like in the PTB above the black speckling that wants to come through more and more as they age:

Crappy picture but pretty sure that is what Nick is warning about. Also my lighter colored shell has gotten darker, but #8 lighter. It is almost like all shell wants to converge to a common point.

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I think many of us are starting to understand how important stripping down to the shell and not using too much product is the way to go. Even when new. I finally got my new black shell PA down to the shell this weekend. Patrick in another thread had mentioned microfiber polishing cloths to buff. I buy the Amazon microfiber clothes in packs of 48 to use as rags on the vehicle and around the house, figured why not try them to finish stripping. It did a fantastic job and much faster than the cotton rags (T-shirts and socks) that I normally use. Once I got down to shell I did 2 thin coats of Saphir blue polish and of course the microfiber cloth buff. Will not use any other than the Mac method for a few months now. It is the only shell that I have polished to this level but will also only wear these with a suit:

 

The Ashland leather wallet in #2 shell I ordered came in last week. Here is a comparison of #2 and #8:

 

Inside with the Horween Stamp well placed:

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What other shoes compare to park avenues? I heard great reviews, just would like to know other options. Also, in my opinion, I don't think the shoes necessary define a good look but the fit of the pants. I noticed all my dress pants has a lot of spacing (baggish) and needs hemming. How can I get them tailored to my liking? I like a fitted look (somewhat tight). Don't judge me.

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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

I think many of us are starting to understand how important stripping down to the shell and not using too much product is the way to go. Even when new. I finally got my new black shell PA down to the shell this weekend. Patrick in another thread had mentioned microfiber polishing cloths to buff. I buy the Amazon microfiber clothes in packs of 48 to use as rags on the vehicle and around the house, figured why not try them to finish stripping. It did a fantastic job and much faster than the cotton rags (T-shirts and socks) that I normally use. Once I got down to shell I did 2 thin coats of Saphir blue polish and of course the microfiber cloth buff. Will not use any other than the Mac method for a few months now. It is the only shell that I have polished to this level but will also only wear these with a suit:



The Ashland leather wallet in #2 shell I ordered came in last week. Here is a comparison of #2 and #8:



Inside with the Horween Stamp well placed:


I'm sure you mentioned earlier but I missed it. What did you use to strip all that cream AE loved to use or did you just Mac method
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

I think many of us are starting to understand how important stripping down to the shell and not using too much product is the way to go. Even when new. I finally got my new black shell PA down to the shell this weekend. Patrick in another thread had mentioned microfiber polishing cloths to buff. I buy the Amazon microfiber clothes in packs of 48 to use as rags on the vehicle and around the house, figured why not try them to finish stripping. It did a fantastic job and much faster than the cotton rags (T-shirts and socks) that I normally use. Once I got down to shell I did 2 thin coats of Saphir blue polish and of course the microfiber cloth buff. Will not use any other than the Mac method for a few months now. It is the only shell that I have polished to this level but will also only wear these with a suit:



Do these shell PAs' comes with double leather sole ? Nice job with polishing !
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

I think many of us are starting to understand how important stripping down to the shell and not using too much product is the way to go. Even when new. I finally got my new black shell PA down to the shell this weekend. Patrick in another thread had mentioned microfiber polishing cloths to buff. I buy the Amazon microfiber clothes in packs of 48 to use as rags on the vehicle and around the house, figured why not try them to finish stripping. It did a fantastic job and much faster than the cotton rags (T-shirts and socks) that I normally use. Once I got down to shell I did 2 thin coats of Saphir blue polish and of course the microfiber cloth buff. Will not use any other than the Mac method for a few months now. It is the only shell that I have polished to this level but will also only wear these with a suit:



The Ashland leather wallet in #2 shell I ordered came in last week. Here is a comparison of #2 and #8:



Inside with the Horween Stamp well placed:


Cold Iron - Wow on the PAs. Now I'm buying Amazon microfiber cloths and RenoMat.

Nice wallet, too. The Horween stamp is a real score. Making me think about Ashalnd, too...
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

I think many of us are starting to understand how important stripping down to the shell and not using too much product is the way to go. Even when new. I finally got my new black shell PA down to the shell this weekend. Patrick in another thread had mentioned microfiber polishing cloths to buff. I buy the Amazon microfiber clothes in packs of 48 to use as rags on the vehicle and around the house, figured why not try them to finish stripping. It did a fantastic job and much faster than the cotton rags (T-shirts and socks) that I normally use. Once I got down to shell I did 2 thin coats of Saphir blue polish and of course the microfiber cloth buff. Will not use any other than the Mac method for a few months now. It is the only shell that I have polished to this level but will also only wear these with a suit:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

The Ashland leather wallet in #2 shell I ordered came in last week. Here is a comparison of #2 and #8:

 

Inside with the Horween Stamp well placed:

 

I'm glad I'm not alone! I don't know if they're the same ones, but, a few months ago, I ended up using some microfiber cloths that I ordered through Amazon. I didn't exactly do it because I thought it would create a stunning result, but rather because I couldn't find my stash of cut-up t-shirts. 

 

Also, I'm jealous of that wallet. It looks terrific, and it seems like just the right size. Now, since I have a small backside, I don't exactly have to worry about the lack of space for a wallet back there, but a slim wallet is still nicer than a classic bifold.

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My next shoe will be a sleek black simple, relatively conservative shoe to round out my collection and to try to bring closure to what has apparently become a completely out of hand Allen Edmonds fetish.  So I believe Im going to choose the Flat Iron because of its sleek psuedo-fashion forward last shape.  Aside from the perforated medallion, I think this shoe will be perfect and sleek enough to dress up or slightly down.  Now what I DONT understand is why everyone who recommends a simple black shoe either recommends the Park Avenue or the Leeds.  The Leeds, I can kind of understand, because it is just a basic but sturdy, versatile shoe.  But the Park Avenue, although I personally like it, seems to get a lot of blowback for being too rounded, for having too short of a cap toe, or for bowing.  Why in the world is this still the go to simple black shoe that everyone recommends then?...Particularly when the Flatiron is more shapely, or if one must have a balmoral, the Rutledge or the Harrison, would be more suitable considering the concerns that some have regarding the Park Avenue's styling.  Its almost like, even though it is an undesired shoe, it still just receives praise out of old habit and nostalgia.  Kind of like when Brett Favre didnt know when to quit.
 

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Originally Posted by harlequin782 View Post

My next shoe will be a sleek black simple, relatively conservative shoe to round out my collection and to try to bring closure to what has apparently become a completely out of hand Allen Edmonds fetish.  So I believe Im going to choose the Flat Iron because of its sleek psuedo-fashion forward last shape.  Aside from the perforated medallion, I think this shoe will be perfect and sleek enough to dress up or slightly down.  Now what I DONT understand is why everyone who recommends a simple black shoe either recommends the Park Avenue or the Leeds.  The Leeds, I can kind of understand, because it is just a basic but sturdy, versatile shoe.  But the Park Avenue, although I personally like it, seems to get a lot of blowback for being too rounded, for having too short of a cap toe, or for bowing.  Why in the world is this still the go to simple black shoe that everyone recommends then?...Particularly when the Flatiron is more shapely, or if one must have a balmoral, the Rutledge or the Harrison, would be more suitable considering the concerns that some have regarding the Park Avenue's styling.  Its almost like, even though it is an undesired shoe, it still just receives praise out of old habit and nostalgia.  Kind of like when Brett Favre didnt know when to quit.

 

There is a very simple reason why the PA and the Leeds are the most recommended shoes: they are the most conservative and fit into most of the rules for wearing with a suit and in any business situation.

The PA is actually the "safest" shoe, as it is a balmoral (closed lacing) and does not have any brogueing or medallions. This is considered proper business style and is the "no brainer" formal office shoe.

The Leeds is a blucher (open lacing), which technically is not supposed to be worn with a suit. But in the US style culture, it is broadly acceptable. And again, no other adornments, which makes it the safest of the bluchers.

While these are traditional styles, I don't think they belong to categorization as "old habit" or "nostalgia". They are rather more "proper". And the complaints with the PA are precisely because it is a the go-to shoe, and so people want it to be perfect. And yet, despite its flaws, it is still AE's best selling shoe.

You are certainly free to have your own opinions and choice of style, but the shoes you cite and the reasons you cite are ones that most would say should not be worn in a formal business envrionment.

Going back to your post, you mention "sleek, pseudo-fashion forward" as your preference, and "rounded" as a flaw with the PA. But most people would pick rounded over pseudo-fashion forward for the office. In other words, not everyone has drunk the StyleForum Kool-Aid!
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Originally Posted by Michael Haines View Post

I'm sure you mentioned earlier but I missed it. What did you use to strip all that cream AE loved to use or did you just Mac method

First used Reno rubbing in small circles pressing hard. After the rag turned black I'd move my finger to a new spot and do it again. As soon as I finished the shoe I took a rag and made it a bit wetter than the start of the Mac method and wiped the whole shoe down and the rag turned black. Then a few minutes brushing. Did that twice. Once they were clean I spent 4 nights in a row starting with a damp rag and 10 minutes brushing per shoe and 5 minutes with the microfiber cloth. Good luck Michael!

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Do these shell PAs' comes with double leather sole ? Nice job with polishing !

Yes JR's, and thanks!

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Originally Posted by kmdsimpson View Post

Cold Iron - Wow on the PAs. Now I'm buying Amazon microfiber cloths and RenoMat.

Nice wallet, too. The Horween stamp is a real score. Making me think about Ashalnd, too...

Thank you very much! I picked up the 48 pack for $28 which means I don't have to pay shipping because it is over $25. 

 

With the shortage of exotic shell colors I couldn't resist that #2 shell. And something comfortably safe about a front left pant pocket carry again.

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Originally Posted by TheSizzle View Post

I'm glad I'm not alone! I don't know if they're the same ones, but, a few months ago, I ended up using some microfiber cloths that I ordered through Amazon. I didn't exactly do it because I thought it would create a stunning result, but rather because I couldn't find my stash of cut-up t-shirts. 

 

Also, I'm jealous of that wallet. It looks terrific, and it seems like just the right size. Now, since I have a small backside, I don't exactly have to worry about the lack of space for a wallet back there, but a slim wallet is still nicer than a classic bifold.

Sizz that wallet has your name written all over it! But you can also get the same in red and blue shell direct from Nick Horween, Ashland makes them for him. http://horween.bigcartel.com/

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Originally Posted by kmdsimpson View Post

There is a very simple reason why the PA and the Leeds are the most recommended shoes: they are the most conservative and fit into most of the rules for wearing with a suit and in any business situation.

The PA is actually the "safest" shoe, as it is a balmoral (closed lacing) and does not have any brogueing or medallions. This is considered proper business style and is the "no brainer" formal office shoe.

The Leeds is a blucher (open lacing), which technically is not supposed to be worn with a suit. But in the US style culture, it is broadly acceptable. And again, no other adornments, which makes it the safest of the bluchers.

While these are traditional styles, I don't think they belong to categorization as "old habit" or "nostalgia". They are rather more "proper". And the complaints with the PA are precisely because it is a the go-to shoe, and so people want it to be perfect. And yet, despite its flaws, it is still AE's best selling shoe.

You are certainly free to have your own opinions and choice of style, but the shoes you cite and the reasons you cite are ones that most would say should not be worn in a formal business envrionment.

Going back to your post, you mention "sleek, pseudo-fashion forward" as your preference, and "rounded" as a flaw with the PA. But most people would pick rounded over pseudo-fashion forward for the office. In other words, not everyone has drunk the StyleForum Kool-Aid!

Talk about nailing it solid... Great Job! I briefly considered the Rutledge several times too but never could picture myself wearing it to a funeral or an important business meeting, that picture in my mind was just so wrong.  

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Finally found some time to polish/clean all my shoes today. Here are some common AE shoes. From back to front: Players, Park Avenues, Strands. Poor quality camera photo but we've seen these 1000x so who cares? Of the three, the Players gets the most wear, followed by the Strands. But I have other shoes I wear more than these three.

 

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Cold iron where you just using Reno or renomat
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What other shoes compare to park avenues? I heard great reviews, just would like to know other options. Also, in my opinion, I don't think the shoes necessary define a good look but the fit of the pants. I noticed all my dress pants has a lot of spacing (baggish) and needs hemming. How can I get them tailored to my liking? I like a fitted look (somewhat tight). Don't judge me.

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Why did you quote your own reply without adding anything to it? facepalm.gif
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