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Originally Posted by mexicutioner View Post

you guys realize that these are shoes, right? their main job is to act as a barrier between our skin and dog poop. the slight irregularities that get discussed in this thread are nothing compared to the abuse shoes take on a daily basis.

Sir if it were that simple we don't know how we'd occupy our time during the day.
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Originally Posted by mexicutioner View Post

you guys realize that these are shoes, right? their main job is to act as a barrier between our skin and dog poop. the slight irregularities that get discussed in this thread are nothing compared to the abuse shoes take on a daily basis.

 

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Sir if it were that simple we don't know how we'd occupy our time during the day.

 

 

There is merit to both comments.  From one perspective, these are shoes (i.e. protective coverings for our feet). From a different perspective, these are a specific subclass of shoes which are purchased to execute a particular style of dress.  From the latter, cosmetic issues do make a difference if they conflict with the image the wearer wishes to project.  Therefore, as I have stated in prior posts, the tolerance for cosmetic variation is a matter of personal taste.

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Originally Posted by Winston S. View Post

Heel shots could be a lot better, e.g., the black looks like a second because of the slanted upper on the top of the boot and the bottom where it attached to the heel. Side shots look ok to me.

This and the much tighter ankle on the burgundy from the side.


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Originally Posted by MoneyWellSpent View Post

There is alot to be said for honesty and transparency (and I think Allen Edmonds should win the award amongst shoe companies for this), in that what you see in the pictures really may be indicative of the shoes you may receive.  That said, sometimes I am surprised by the visible "defects" that I see in the shoes that they choose for their photos.  It's as if some advertising guy walks down to the factory floor and grabs a pair to take to his photo session before returning them so that they can go out with the rest of the shoes.  They don't seem to be too concerned about picking a pair that is near flawless for their website photos.  It is interesting and surprising. 

I see what you did there... My feelings exactly regarding the choice of photos - can't they at least pick good examples for their most important marketing site?


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Originally Posted by mexicutioner View Post

you guys realize that these are shoes, right? their main job is to act as a barrier between our skin and dog poop. the slight irregularities that get discussed in this thread are nothing compared to the abuse shoes take on a daily basis.

They are also $595. No matter how you end up using them, you expect a little more quality control for that kind of money.


These pictures just demonstrate to me the lack of attention to detail that I - and some others - have been bemoaning about Allen Edmonds. I mean really - these are their website photos! They can't pick better examples to use? And if they really think that black heel and the burgundy side view (to a lesser extent) are first quality, than I have a bigger problem than just sloppy marketing. (To be clear, if either of these examples were seconds, I'd have no quibbles.)

So this is what the company that self-proclaims itself as making the "highest quality shoes in the world" portrays as the product of its efforts. Really disappointing, honestly.
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I just picked up the Allen Edmonds multi-color shoe lace pack at my local menswear/shoe store. It has red, blue, olive, yellow, orange, and lavendar (with a "bonus" pair of black). Could you post some of your shoe / shoe lace combinations so I can get an idea of some color combinations I can put together? I have a lot of walnut, chili, brown, tan, etc. I also have the standard black and burgundy but I'm thinking I might be limited on the colorful lace combos with the black and burgundy.

Chris
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Originally Posted by kmdsimpson View Post


This and the much tighter ankle on the burgundy from the side.
I see what you did there... My feelings exactly regarding the choice of photos - can't they at least pick good examples for their most important marketing site?
They are also $595. No matter how you end up using them, you expect a little more quality control for that kind of money.


These pictures just demonstrate to me the lack of attention to detail that I - and some others - have been bemoaning about Allen Edmonds. I mean really - these are their website photos! They can't pick better examples to use? And if they really think that black heel and the burgundy side view (to a lesser extent) are first quality, than I have a bigger problem than just sloppy marketing. (To be clear, if either of these examples were seconds, I'd have no quibbles.)

So this is what the company that self-proclaims itself as making the "highest quality shoes in the world" portrays as the product of its efforts. Really disappointing, honestly.

 

I remember the CEO saying that they make "some of the world's best shoes" in their production video, but to me that doesn't mean the same thing as "highest quality shoes in the world."  The first quote says to me that you are getting shoes made in the "upper crust" of quality due to materials and construction methods... which you are when you buy Allen Edmonds.  The latter quote definitely says that there is no better shoe than Allen Edmonds, which we all know to be false, and I wouldn't think they would have said that.  Did I miss seeing where they said that they make the highest quality shoes in the world?  I do think they are arguably the highest quality shoes in the world at their price.  Meermin's Linea Maestro line is the only thing that really beats them due to the fact that they are hand-welted rather than Goodyear-welted.  But, Meermin's are still slightly more expensive, and they are made overseas which makes them harder to obtain.   

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Originally Posted by MoneyWellSpent View Post

I remember the CEO saying that they make "some of the world's best shoes" in their production video, but to me that doesn't mean the same thing as "highest quality shoes in the world."  The first quote says to me that you are getting shoes made in the "upper crust" of quality due to materials and construction methods... which you are when you buy Allen Edmonds.  The latter quote definitely says that there is no better shoe than Allen Edmonds, which we all know to be false, and I wouldn't think they would have said that.  Did I miss seeing where they said that they make the highest quality shoes in the world?  I do think they are arguably the highest quality shoes in the world at their price.  Meermin's Linea Maestro line is the only thing that really beats them due to the fact that they are hand-welted rather than Goodyear-welted.  But, Meermin's are still slightly more expensive, and they are made overseas which makes them harder to obtain.   

I thought I had heard the quote from their head of operations, but I just watched the factory tour video again, and I think I'm mistaken. They do say they use the finest leather in the world.

I do agree with you on value. I'll also add to your comparison with Meermin that Meermin are partially made in China (not clear how much of the shoe is finished in Mallorca), and being overseas, fitting and returns are difficult.

But having said all this, I still find AE's attention to detail sorely lacking. Not only that they put unflattering pictures on their site, but they also state and show in the video their final inspection process. So shoes with defects should not even make it to inventory! I don't think this has much to do with their value and pricing relationship. They have something broken in their processes that needs to be corrected.
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Originally Posted by kmdsimpson View Post


I thought I had heard the quote from their head of operations, but I just watched the factory tour video again, and I think I'm mistaken. They do say they use the finest leather in the world.

I do agree with you on value. I'll also add to your comparison with Meermin that Meermin are partially made in China (not clear how much of the shoe is finished in Mallorca), and being overseas, fitting and returns are difficult.

But having said all this, I still find AE's attention to detail sorely lacking. Not only that they put unflattering pictures on their site, but they also state and show in the video their final inspection process. So shoes with defects should not even make it to inventory! I don't think this has much to do with their value and pricing relationship. They have something broken in their processes that needs to be corrected.

 

They can certainly handle improvements, and I still maintain a level of surprise that they don't seek out the most pristine examples of their shoes to put on display on their website.  I have always wondered about the inspection process as well.  One would think that if a pair of experienced eyes are looking over each and every shoe, then such defects wouldn't so easily make it into the hands of customers.  I have no answers on that one. 

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Originally Posted by MoneyWellSpent View Post

 

They can certainly handle improvements, and I still maintain a level of surprise that they don't seek out the most pristine examples of their shoes to put on display on their website.  I have always wondered about the inspection process as well.  One would think that if a pair of experienced eyes are looking over each and every shoe, then such defects wouldn't so easily make it into the hands of customers.  I have no answers on that one. 

 

If you've ever seen the psychology experiments where a man in a bear suit works his way through the frame without being seen, I think you can understand what I'm trying to say. If this trained eye is unconsciously or consciously looking for a certain type of defect, that which he most expects to find on the shoe at hand, he might overlook others that the customer will eventually notice. The customer will spend more time with the shoe, and that experienced inspector might miss the flaw even when making an effort to spot all types of flaws.

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Cambridge shell today.
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Had a pair of refurb Cody come in today with 3 pairs of socks is that a new promotion
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Originally Posted by Michael Haines View Post

Had a pair of refurb Cody come in today with 3 pairs of socks is that a new promotion

 

According to the website, they're running a promotion that you get two pairs of socks and a $35 card for your next purchase. It looks like you wrangled yourself an extra pair.

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Originally Posted by Michael Haines View Post

Had a pair of refurb Cody come in today with 3 pairs of socks is that a new promotion

The promotion on their website says 2 pairs of socks and a $35 coupon towards a new pair of shoes with each recrafting. I think you lucked out with 3 pairs of socks.

(The Sizzle types a lot faster than me)

Chris
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Originally Posted by TheSizzle View Post

 

If you've ever seen the psychology experiments where a man in a bear suit works his way through the frame without being seen, I think you can understand what I'm trying to say. If this trained eye is unconsciously or consciously looking for a certain type of defect, that which he most expects to find on the shoe at hand, he might overlook others that the customer will eventually notice. The customer will spend more time with the shoe, and that experienced inspector might miss the flaw even when making an effort to spot all types of flaws.

 

I'm sure it does boil down to something like this in the end, simply because it is hard to imagine any other scenario.  I don't think there is any malicious intent going on (contrary to the stories swirling in the Alden thread lately about Alden knowingly putting shoes that didn't pass QC into their shops because they know somebody will buy it).

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Originally Posted by sazon View Post

Cambridge shell today.

 

Looking good!

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Originally Posted by hohneokc View Post

I just picked up the Allen Edmonds multi-color shoe lace pack at my local menswear/shoe store. It has red, blue, olive, yellow, orange, and lavendar (with a "bonus" pair of black). Could you post some of your shoe / shoe lace combinations so I can get an idea of some color combinations I can put together? I have a lot of walnut, chili, brown, tan, etc. I also have the standard black and burgundy but I'm thinking I might be limited on the colorful lace combos with the black and burgundy.

Chris

 

This may not be the answer you want to hear, but click on one of the recent pictures of the thread and go to "gallery view" to look at all the combinations that have been posted, starting with the most recent. Not all will have colored laces, but I think you can figure it out.

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