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post #15391 of 47201
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Originally Posted by GOP Shoe Guy View Post

Go with the one with more white. I ordered the same shoe with red instead of the blue (same sole). Same amount of white as yours with more white. Though I did add a white tongue. Really makes the laces pop. There isn't a doubt in my mind that these will be worn as a casual shoe. Chinos and jeans. The only suit I will wear mine with is my seersucker. This is not a dress shoe. Very fun though, and I can't wait for mine to arrive.

Good feedback. I also like the brown welt which makes it a little better for going our for drinks in the evening and not just day wear. I have the Lubbock with the natural welt and it is quite light.

By the way, did you order your normal size?

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post #15392 of 47201
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Originally Posted by Beach Bum View Post

Honest inquiry. Do people who swear by AEs and own several believe they are superior in looks and quality to other competing makers, particularly Euro makers?

Or is it the value, or Patriotism, or what? I have a nice Independence Rush loafer, the second AE I've owned.

And must say I much prefer Italian makers to these, and British shoes that I've tried. No comparison in my mind on looks.

I've owned English shoes and Italian shoes (admittedly, no C&J or that level) but I have come back to AE because of comfort.  Not sure it it's the cork footbed or special leather insides but I can wear my AEs all day without issue.  With some English/Italian shoes, you get home and you have calluses on the bottom of your feet or you end up wearing them with bandaids for a long time until they break in.  I do admit that, in general, overseas shoes are sleeker.  However, AE sometimes will offer a sleek shoe like the AE Hinsdale (shortwing) or the Jackson.  

post #15393 of 47201
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post

The white is a bitch to keep clean, you end up dying them not polishing them. I like some saddle shoes and white linen contrast such as the strawfut and the BB I just got but IMO those shoes with a lot of white on them do look like golf shoes. I do like the solid Navy I worked up playing around but that is just me, YMMV and good luck. You have very good style although we disagree on shoes, take a deep breathe and take your time and get it right. As I'm sure you will.

True, white can be hard to keep clean. But part of the beauty of a casual shoe is that you let them get scuffed up and wear them with pride. I wish there was a cream color instead of white as it would minimize the contrast. The solid navy is an option but it is a regular offering of theirs and kind of takes the fun out of having your own design. Following the BB "fun" concept, you would add a orange vamp and a yellow tongue if you wanted to go cray-cray.

I don't know if we defer that much in shoes: 80% of my shoes and boots are EG or C&J in calf suede and cordovan--really standard SF fare. I have one pair of casual AE and two pairs or pre-SF Ferragamo and a few pairs of BB made in Italy stuff. This is much louder than anything I have otherwise.
post #15394 of 47201
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Originally Posted by Patek View Post


Good feedback. I also like the brown welt which makes it a little better for going our for drinks in the evening and not just day wear. I have the Lubbock with the natural welt and it is quite light.

By the way, did you order your normal size?

I have a pair of Neumoks already, so I am pretty confident I got my sizing correct. I really like the ones I have. I ordered the red & white with a buff split reverse welt, and then a all football leather with a buff split reverse welt. Can't wait. Both of these will be fun to dress up a casual pair of jeans or chinos.

 

 

 

post #15395 of 47201

My Brooks Brother's Strands arrived yesterday. Here they are on their inaugural run today at the office. I gave them a good conditioning and shine last night. I am very pleased with them. Sorry for the boring socks, I have a funeral later today, so I didn't wanna be to loud. 

AppleMark

post #15396 of 47201
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Originally Posted by GOP Shoe Guy View Post

I have a pair of Neumoks already, so I am pretty confident I got my sizing correct. I really like the ones I have. I ordered the red & white with a buff split reverse welt, and then a all football leather with a buff split reverse welt. Can't wait. Both of these will be fun to dress up a casual pair of jeans or chinos.







I do like the red but I would have a hard time wearing them. I have quite a few pairs wingtips in various shades of brown, pebble, and cordovan so another pair of brown does not really excite me.

Since you have experience with this model, did you order your usual shoe size in say C&J?

Any thoughts on the natural welt vs the brown welt?
post #15397 of 47201
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Originally Posted by Beach Bum View Post

Honest inquiry. Do people who swear by AEs and own several believe they are superior in looks and quality to other competing makers, particularly Euro makers?

Or is it the value, or Patriotism, or what? I have a nice Independence Rush loafer, the second AE I've owned.

And must say I much prefer Italian makers to these, and British shoes that I've tried. No comparison in my mind on looks.

I'll add to responses here, plus another topic I don't think anyone has brought up, which is construction.

Most Italian shoes are Blake or Bologna (a variation of Blake) constructed, not welted. So you aren't really comparing like to like in terms of construction nor aesthetics. I like Goodyear construction better, both because of the process itself, and also because I like the aesthetic of those shoes. So I would in most cases prefer an English or American shoe over an Italian one.

The next factor is price. The fact is, AE in general can't compete with the higher tier British shoe makers, but they also cost much less. Obviously, we aren't comparing AE to Lobb, G&G, or Edward Green; let's also toss out C&J, Trickers, AS, Church's, and some Cheaney, which are roughly double AE prices. That leaves Loake, Grenson, and some Cheaney. Here I would say that AE fits in quite well. Price is competitive, and then it comes down to styling. I like both AE and these makers.

I have personally owned several AE, C&J, AS, Trickers, and Grenson, plus I've seen lots of Loake, and I just bought a pair of Cheaney. The C&J, AS, and Trickers are out of AE's league, but also of their price range. The Grenson and Loakes I have seen are the competition, and honestly, they seem about on par with AE. I also think styling at this level is similar.

Now, getting back to the Italian shoes for a moment. Last year I was shopping for a dress loafer. I looked at every brand sold at Nordstrom, Saks, Niemans, and whomever else carried them. I ended up with the AE Verona and Lucca (three pairs, actually). These are from AE's Italian line, so they are Bologna constructed and made in Italy. I can tell you unequivocally that the AE Italian shoes are better made than any of the higher brands, until you get to maybe the $800 range. I'm talking about Ferragamo, Gucci, Tod's, Harry's of England - any of the big names. I also like the AE styling much better. I also have two of the older Seven collection shoes, and it is the same thing. I don't know who makes the shoes for AE, but these are the best sub-$800 Italian shoes on the market. No question in my mind.

Finally, I think your second to last sentence is valid - it is value, Patriotism, and, I might add, selection. AE makes good shoes accessible, and they have so many models. It's fun to see what's new and to buy a shitload when they are on sale. That doesn't take away from anything else, though. And it's the same in England. Take a look at some of the big shoe retailers there (Shoehealer, for example), and they have loads of models and custom makeups. But it's harder and much more expensive for us here in the US to access that, so AE is the one realistic source if you want quality shoes.
post #15398 of 47201
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Originally Posted by kmdsimpson View Post

I'll add to responses here, plus another topic I don't think anyone has brought up, which is construction.

Most Italian shoes are Blake or Bologna (a variation of Blake) constructed, not welted. So you aren't really comparing like to like in terms of construction nor aesthetics. I like Goodyear construction better, both because of the process itself, and also because I like the aesthetic of those shoes. So I would in most cases prefer an English or American shoe over an Italian one.

The next factor is price. The fact is, AE in general can't compete with the higher tier British shoe makers, but they also cost much less. Obviously, we aren't comparing AE to Lobb, G&G, or Edward Green; let's also toss out C&J, Trickers, AS, Church's, and some Cheaney, which are roughly double AE prices. That leaves Loake, Grenson, and some Cheaney. Here I would say that AE fits in quite well. Price is competitive, and then it comes down to styling. I like both AE and these makers.

I have personally owned several AE, C&J, AS, Trickers, and Grenson, plus I've seen lots of Loake, and I just bought a pair of Cheaney. The C&J, AS, and Trickers are out of AE's league, but also of their price range. The Grenson and Loakes I have seen are the competition, and honestly, they seem about on par with AE. I also think styling at this level is similar.

Now, getting back to the Italian shoes for a moment. Last year I was shopping for a dress loafer. I looked at every brand sold at Nordstrom, Saks, Niemans, and whomever else carried them. I ended up with the AE Verona and Lucca (three pairs, actually). These are from AE's Italian line, so they are Bologna constructed and made in Italy. I can tell you unequivocally that the AE Italian shoes are better made than any of the higher brands, until you get to maybe the $800 range. I'm talking about Ferragamo, Gucci, Tod's, Harry's of England - any of the big names. I also like the AE styling much better. I also have two of the older Seven collection shoes, and it is the same thing. I don't know who makes the shoes for AE, but these are the best sub-$800 Italian shoes on the market. No question in my mind.

Finally, I think your second to last sentence is valid - it is value, Patriotism, and, I might add, selection. AE makes good shoes accessible, and they have so many models. It's fun to see what's new and to buy a shitload when they are on sale. That doesn't take away from anything else, though. And it's the same in England. Take a look at some of the big shoe retailers there (Shoehealer, for example), and they have loads of models and custom makeups. But it's harder and much more expensive for us here in the US to access that, so AE is the one realistic source if you want quality shoes.

I agree with most of what you wrote here although I only have one pair of AE. SF ruined me when I purchased my first pair of EG and C&J and then proceeded to fill up my closet with them which left little space for AE.

However, I do take exception with the notion that Gucci does not make a good loafer. I actually own two pairs of Gucci loafers--one in black calf and one in brown ostrich. The black ones I have had for almost 5 years and just got them resoled. Both shoes are extremely comfortable and well made. Here are the ostrich in the "wild":

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In case anyone is curious about the Gucci loafer construction process here is a quick and interesting read. essentially, it is craftsmen making each pair of shoes with hand-sewn uppers, hand stained finishes, and welted soles:

http://www.acontinuouslean.com/2011/05/24/made-in-italy-the-iconic-gucci-loafer/
post #15399 of 47201
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Originally Posted by Beach Bum View Post

Honest inquiry. Do people who swear by AEs and own several believe they are superior in looks and quality to other competing makers, particularly Euro makers?

Or is it the value, or Patriotism, or what?

I have size 14AA feet. My mortgage and five-figure salary are in cahoots to prevent me from buying bespoke quite as often as I'd like. On eBay there are occasionally NOS Hanovers or Florshiems. Alden makes a few shoes in my size, or so I've heard -- I haven't actually seen any.

Allen Edmonds doesn't cover my size anywhere near as much as they used to, but they still provide enough to keep me in the essentials.
post #15400 of 47201
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Originally Posted by Patek View Post

I agree with most of what you wrote here although I only have one pair of AE. SF ruined me when I purchased my first pair of EG and C&J and then proceeded to fill up my closet with them which left little space for AE.

However, I do take exception with the notion that Gucci does not make a good loafer. I actually own two pairs of Gucci loafers--one in black calf and one in brown ostrich. The black ones I have had for almost 5 years and just got them resoled. Both shoes are extremely comfortable and well made. Here are the ostrich in the "wild":
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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In case anyone is curious about the Gucci loafer construction process here is a quick and interesting read. essentially, it is craftsmen making each pair of shoes with hand-sewn uppers, hand stained finishes, and welted soles:

http://www.acontinuouslean.com/2011/05/24/made-in-italy-the-iconic-gucci-loafer/

Wow, I have to say, that Gucci process is impressive. Are the loafers welted, as the text says? Didn't seem like it on the ones I saw, but maybe I was wrong.

I didn't mean to say that Gucci does not make a good loafer (which it does sound like I said). But it's a much higher price point. Still, I had no idea they were made like this, either.

And clearly the AE Verona is a Gucci knockoff. But one of many knockoffs of that loafer.

BTW, whatever happened to your custom bag? Did you post pics?
post #15401 of 47201
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Originally Posted by Patek View Post


I agree with most of what you wrote here although I only have one pair of AE. SF ruined me when I purchased my first pair of EG and C&J and then proceeded to fill up my closet with them which left little space for AE.

However, I do take exception with the notion that Gucci does not make a good loafer. I actually own two pairs of Gucci loafers--one in black calf and one in brown ostrich. The black ones I have had for almost 5 years and just got them resoled. Both shoes are extremely comfortable and well made. Here are the ostrich in the "wild":

.

In case anyone is curious about the Gucci loafer construction process here is a quick and interesting read. essentially, it is craftsmen making each pair of shoes with hand-sewn uppers, hand stained finishes, and welted soles:

http://www.acontinuouslean.com/2011/05/24/made-in-italy-the-iconic-gucci-loafer/

 

I have this same pair of Gucci loafers but in chocolate suede and I as well love them.  I agree that they are extremely comfortable, more so than most of my AE shoes.  With that being said, I own around 10 pair of AE's and love them all.  The shoes being made in America also appeals to me, with all of the outsourcing of jobs now, it is difficult to find quality products still being made in the US.

post #15402 of 47201

People buy AE because they are the best shoes you can get at this price point, especially with AE seconds going for $130-200. The comparison shouldn't be between AE and John Lobb/EG/CJ, which one would you buy. It should be between AE and Bostonian/Cole Haan/Florsheim/etc. which one would you buy.

post #15403 of 47201
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Originally Posted by kmdsimpson View Post

Wow, I have to say, that Gucci process is impressive. Are the loafers welted, as the text says? Didn't seem like it on the ones I saw, but maybe I was wrong.

I didn't mean to say that Gucci does not make a good loafer (which it does sound like I said). But it's a much higher price point. Still, I had no idea they were made like this, either.

And clearly the AE Verona is a Gucci knockoff. But one of many knockoffs of that loafer.

BTW, whatever happened to your custom bag? Did you post pics?

Yes, the Gucci loafers are welted.

I have been beating the crap out of my bag. I have not had the chance to take pictures and post but good job calling me out on that as I need to do that.

Gucci does start around $500 but you can find sales.
post #15404 of 47201
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Originally Posted by archangle13 View Post


It really depends how much the toe chisel extends the length of the shoes. For this, the AE #5 last is ridiculous, and it isn't even chiseled.

 

I love the 5 last. Even though AE describes it as the "longest in length", I think it has a nice not-too-long, not-too-stubby look. Strangely, I tried on a McClain at the Nordstrom Rack yesterday, and even though it's on the 8 last, it felt much longer and pointier. The 0 and the 3 lasts just don't do it for me.

post #15405 of 47201
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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

 

I love the 5 last. Even though AE describes it as the "longest in length", I think it has a nice not-too-long, not-too-stubby look. Strangely, I tried on a McClain at the Nordstrom Rack yesterday, and even though it's on the 8 last, it felt much longer and pointier. The 0 and the 3 lasts just don't do it for me.

 

That's because the 8 last has an elongated and tapered toe as compared with the 5 last.  The 5 last is awesome as long as the shoes do not have a cap toe line.  Strands - awesome.  Fifth Avenues - not so much.

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