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When I got home this weekend my latest addition was waiting for me, the Wolverine 1K 744 shell boots made by AE.

 

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Purchased them as seconds at $399 and keeping them. Yes they are work boots and are perfect for jeans with a Pendleton wool shirt, and love them and how they fit. 

Beautiful pic Cold Iron... Enjoy!

 

Being the copy cat, I got a pair of 744s as well based on the earlier discussion. I was originally learning toward the Bayfields, but the cigar color of the 744 shell drew me in.

Have not taken them out for a spin yet, but the foot bed seems very comfortable. Will post a pic soon.

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Originally Posted by horsey shoes View Post

Beautiful pic Cold Iron... Enjoy!

 

Being the copy cat, I got a pair of 744s as well based on the earlier discussion. I was originally learning toward the Bayfields, but the cigar color of the 744 shell drew me in.

Have not taken them out for a spin yet, but the foot bed seems very comfortable. Will post a pic soon.

The wolverine boots look amazing. How do they fit size-wise compared to other AE boots? I own the fifth aves in calf.

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where are the wolverine seconds being acquired from?

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whats the difference between the mctavish and the neumok? they look pretty similar to me
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whats the difference between the mctavish and the neumok? they look pretty similar to me

Main difference is Neumok are unlined and McTavish are lined. Also, Neumok has single sole while McTavish has double sole.

Chris
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where are the wolverine seconds being acquired from?

The AE shoe bank / outlet stores. They Are manufactured for Wolverine by AE.
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The AE shoe bank / outlet stores. They Are manufactured for Wolverine by AE.

bummer, wish there was one near me

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bummer, wish there was one near me

You can also pick up firsts at a few online retailers (Neimans, etc.) and occasionally on eBay.

I got mine as firsts from eBay about a week ago. Paid a little more than seconds from the shoe bank, but the first buy it now was priced evenly with auctions for seconds with cuts, etc.

 

I have Fifth Streets in 8E and Daltons in 8.5D... 744s in 8.5D are a perfect fit.

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bummer, wish there was one near me

You can also pick up firsts at a few online retailers (Neimans, etc.) and occasionally on eBay.

I got mine as firsts from eBay about a week ago. Paid a little more than seconds from the shoe bank, but the first buy it now was priced evenly with auctions for seconds with cuts, etc.

 

I have Fifth Streets in 8E and Daltons in 8.5D... 744s in 8.5D are a perfect fit.

You can also buy them at an AE store or on their siteso why go to some secondary seller where you don't know if it has been laying on a shelf for a year (that's like a used shoe) With AE stores and their website I have no idea why anyone would buy AE anywhere else. Seems kind of stupid to me.

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Originally Posted by hohneokc View Post

Main difference is Neumok are unlined and McTavish are lined. Also, Neumok has single sole while McTavish has double sole.
Chris

 

  1. According the AE, the Neumok has a "double leather (butyl) sole with split-reverse welt", while the McTavish has a "double oak (natural) leather sole or Double Butyl leather sole with split-reverse welt" (after merging text from description and features sections). Anyone know what that really means?
  2. Are there significant differences between the leather used for the uppers, too? The Neumok claims you should use Leather Lotion/Saddle Soap on their "distressed leather", while the McTavish mentions using Conditioner Cleaner/Saddle soap on their "waxy distressed leather".
  3. Finally, I'm curious why everyone says the unlined Neumok is more comfortable. Is the lining of the McTavish not there to make it more comfortable?

 

I like both of these shoes, but am also having trouble deciding between the two. I'm thinking either the Neumok in Brown or the McTavish in Cognac, Natural, or Brown.

 

FYI, you can get a lot of sizes much cheaper from Amazon: Neumok, McTavish.


Edited by kentyman - 11/11/12 at 9:32pm
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Originally Posted by Cold Iron View Post
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When I got home this weekend my latest addition was waiting for me, the Wolverine 1K 744 shell boots made by AE.

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Yes they are work boots and are perfect for jeans with a Pendleton wool shirt, and love them and how they fit. 

 

Haven't seen very many pictures of them in the wild - appreciate it.

 

The tone variation is unreal good. The gloss seems a bit much - would like to see a pic without the flash sometime.

 

I go back-and-forth on the punched-cap; if they had a beefy double-sole they'd almost look like White's.

 

Comfort-wise, if they're anything like the 721's, they should be stupid-comfy.

 

Enjoy! Great buy @$399 - any defects?

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Originally Posted by kentyman View Post

 

  1. According the AE, the Neumok has a "double leather (butyl) sole with split-reverse welt", while the McTavish has a "double oak (natural) leather sole or Double Butyl leather sole with split-reverse welt" (after merging text from description and features sections). Anyone know what that really means?
  2. Are there significant differences between the leather used for the uppers, too? The Neumok claims you should use Leather Lotion/Saddle Soap on their "distressed leather", while the McTavish mentions using Conditioner Cleaner/Saddle soap on their "waxy distressed leather".
  3. Finally, I'm curious why everyone says the unlined Neumok is more comfortable. Is the lining of the McTavish not there to make it more comfortable?

 

I like both of these shoes, but am also having trouble deciding between the two. I'm thinking either the Neumok in Brown or the McTavish in Cognac, Natural, or Brown.

 

FYI, you can get a lot of sizes much cheaper from Amazon: Neumok, McTavish.

 

The McTavish is a substantially higher quality shoe than the Neumok.  The leather on the McTavish is heavier (It is Horween Dublin leather, which is full cowhide rather than calf).  I am not sure what the leather uppers on the Neumok are, but it is much softer and silkier to the touch.  The softer leather combined with the lack of a liner will undoubtedly make the Neumok much softer on the feet.  However, this will likely make them less resilient when it comes to a long life span compared to the McTavish.  This obviously depends heavily on how well you care for it though. 

 

The AE website does say that the Neumok has a double sole, but it doesn't.  That has to be a typo.  If you haven't seen it in person, then look at some good quality photos (amazon has some of the best) and you can see that it is one layer of leather under the welt.  The butyl soles are soaked in oil to make them more water resistant.  They are distinguished visibly by the darker antique looking brown color over the lighter tan color of the oak tanned soles.  The split reverse welt is a different type of welting.  It isn't necessarily better than a traditional welt.  It can be seen by the additional "lip" of leather that you see where the welting and the upper meet.  This is accomplished by "splitting" the welt to a point before stitching it to the upper and insole rib.  The split piece of welting is assembled so that the bottom piece is used for the stitching, and the upper piece is turned up to rest against the upper of the shoe (this is hard to describe without photos or diagrams)  You can google it and easily find descriptions with pictures.  It is a variant on the idea of a storm welt (which is actually functional) where an additional waxed stitch is run through that lip of leather to provide additional water resistance by slowing the flow of water between the welting and the upper.  See here for a photo of a finished storm welt: http://theagatineeyelet.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/welts-part-1/.  The split reverse welt is really just adding a more substantial appearance to the welt/sole area. 

 

The softer leather all around, no liner, and single sole of the Neumok make it much more flexible right out of the box and overall lighter.  This is why they are able to claim that it is more comfortable.  That is all true, but in the long run the McTavish should end up being very comfortable as well assuming it fits you properly.  In my opinion, I would only buy the Neumok if the colors were something I couldn't live without.  I think the small price increase for the McTavish gets you a much more substantial shoe for your money. 

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Originally Posted by BackInTheJox View Post

 

Thanks for the reply.  I might go with Mocha since I don't really want to darken my shoes at all.

Don't use Mocha, then, as it's pretty dark.  I have the Brown Burnished Delrays and I use the saddle brown polish.  I tried the dark brown, but it was too dark.  The saddle brown looks like it would be too light, but it's just about perfect for keeping the color the same to maybe lightening them a smidge.  Really like the look of my dark brown AE's with saddle brown polish.  Here's a picture:

 

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I ventured over to the AE store in New Orleans yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to learn that I wear the same size in the 1, 2 and 3 lasts as I do in the 5 & 8 last.

 

I currently have:

 

Walnut Strand

Walnut Hale

Burnished Brown Kenilworth

Burgundy Clifford

Medium Brown Stafford wingtip boots

Beeswax Bushacre II Clark's

 

My next purchase will be a pair of black Vernon's as my formal shoe. From there I would like a pair of black Fifth Street boots and the brown single monks available on Kent Wang's site.

 

As for casual shoes, I am deciding between the Black Hills and Ashbury in Walnut. I'd also like to venture into suede at some point. Does AE make or have they ever made suede bucks?

 

Any thoughts on my choices or opinions on what I should also consider?

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Originally Posted by OptoDoc View Post

I ventured over to the AE store in New Orleans yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to learn that I wear the same size in the 1, 2 and 3 lasts as I do in the 5 & 8 last.

I currently have:

Walnut Strand
Walnut Hale
Burnished Brown Kenilworth
Burgundy Clifford
Medium Brown Stafford wingtip boots
Beeswax Bushacre II Clark's

My next purchase will be a pair of black Vernon's as my formal shoe. From there I would like a pair of black Fifth Street boots and the brown single monks available on Kent Wang's site.

As for casual shoes, I am deciding between the Black Hills and Ashbury in Walnut. I'd also like to venture into suede at some point. Does AE make or have they ever made suede bucks?

Any thoughts on my choices or opinions on what I should also consider?

Yes, they made suede bucks - I believe they were called the Orelean (appropriate give you are New Orleans). They haven't made a suede buck in a few years though.

I have the snuff suede Players and really like them. They are wingtips though.

Chris
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