Any feedback on the Patriot loafer?
Debating on that or the Kenwood in burgundy.
The Patriot is awesome. Very comfortable last with a wider toe box. I got the brown version and I'm wearing it today with slacks. Looks great and the brown burnished calf leather is much nicer in my opinion than the shiny burgundy leather of the Kenwoods. Of course, the Kenwood has the beefrolls and vamping so they are not quite apples to apples. They also plan to discontinue the Kenwoods soon.
Put it this way, I returned a pair of Waldens to upgrade to the Patriot. It's $249 now on sale and very nice alternative the Alden LHS at several hundreds of dollars less.

The Patriot is awesome. Very comfortable last with a wider toe box. I got the brown version and I'm wearing it today with slacks. Looks great and the brown burnished calf leather is much nicer in my opinion than the shiny burgundy leather of the Kenwoods. Of course, the Kenwood has the beefrolls and vamping so they are not quite apples to apples. They also plan to discontinue the Kenwoods soon.
Put it this way, I returned a pair of Waldens to upgrade to the Patriot. It's $249 now on sale and very nice alternative the Alden LHS at several hundreds of dollars less.
Sold!
Thanks

Just purchased a pair of AE Vernons in black 8.5D and 8.5E. This will be my first pair of AE's so I hope to join the club soon once they arrive. I used AE's self measuring guide and was kind of in between the two widths so I figured I'll order both to get a fit comparison between the two and send the other back.

Just purchased a pair of AE Vernons in black 8.5D and 8.5E. This will be my first pair of AE's so I hope to join the club soon once they arrive. I used AE's self measuring guide and was kind of in between the two widths so I figured I'll order both to get a fit comparison between the two and send the other back.
very underrated shoe imo. enjoy!

Just purchased a pair of AE Vernons in black 8.5D and 8.5E. This will be my first pair of AE's so I hope to join the club soon once they arrive. I used AE's self measuring guide and was kind of in between the two widths so I figured I'll order both to get a fit comparison between the two and send the other back.
The Vernon was the first AE I ever purchased. I used the self measuring guide which had me at a 9D. Ordered the shoes and they fit terribly, heel slip and pinched toes. Ended up going to the brick and mortar store in New Orleans and getting properly sized to an 8.5E which I have been happy with in the Strand, Clifton and Hale I have since acquired. I still may buy the Vernon in black before this sale is over.
yup! I made sure to pay extra attention to make sure it was printed in actual size. I've always enjoyed a snug fit for all my shoes, and they range from the 8.5 - 9.5 sizing. Hopefully the 8.5 is correct for me. If I were to run into sizing issues, can I bring the 2 pairs that I purchased off of AE's website and bring it to one of AE's B&M store to do an exchange?
I originally was going to get the PA's as my first shoe, then decided to get the FA's, then after reading your post from last week gooter, I decided to get the Rutledge, and now I ended up with the Vernon as my first pair of AE's.
It'll be 3-5 weeks estimated before I receive the shoes, but cedarville is having a 15% sale that ends today. I'd like to purchase the "ultra shoe tree", and based on the sizing chart which is similar to AE's.... the 8.5D is recommended for SMALL, and the 8.5E is recommended for MEDIUM. I feel like I'm right at the cusp and I'm not sure which shoe will fit me best. What do you guys think would be the best shoe tree sizing to go with? For a worst case scenario, if I ended up with a 8.5D, would a MEDIUM shoe tree create that much forced tension with the spring?
You made a good choice on the Vernon, my friend. The only reason I don't have them is that I just cant get them to fit right . I am a 10C and the Vernon doesn't come in a C width. I tried sizing down to a 9.5D but there wasn't enough room to wear them comfortably, so I got the Rutledge instead.
I am not 100% certain but I believe you can return/exchange shoes bought online to the B&M stores. I'm sure a more knowledgeable member will chime in on this fact, though.
I actually found their fit guide to be right on! I measured at a 10C, ordered a 10D as a skeptic and had to exchange for the C in a brick and mortar.