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They're considered a level above because they are. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but as someone who has owned over 30 different pairs of Allen Edmonds (I now have about 10) and 15 pairs of Alden, I judge the difference between them to be considerable.

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AE first quality shoes regularly hit my doorstep with a major cosmetic defect (tiger striped burnishing, bunched up leather, ankle bowing, misaligned eye stays, curved/uneven wingtip point, pattern placement mismatches, glue seeping onto the insole, sloppy welt join points, lasting tape stuck between the welt and the upper, eyelet backs gouging the tongue, separating rubber heel lifts, dry shell cordovan, and broguing imperfections, just to name a few that I have experienced myself). When I first started buying AE shoes, I was not very discerning. I never noticed flaws, because I wasn't examining the shoes carefully. Who does? Only shoe "enthusiasts" like many of the folks on here. For 99% of men, AE shoes would be a massive step up from the crap they're wearing every day, and are significantly better finished and made.

 

However, for "shoe guys", Alden offers a better product. It's more expensive, and they do have their own QC issues from time to time (sloppy welt join points and heel nails that aren't struck in perfectly seem to be more common), but Alden does much better with finishing on their calf (unlike the horribly sticky, glossy finish AE is applying these days), has always used C.F.Stead suede (generally regarded as the best - glad to see AE starting to use it now), and is definitely a cut above AE when it comes to finishing shell cordovan.

 

While differences in patterns and lasts are aesthetic and thus subject to personal preferences, I think that most Alden patterns and lasts are more elegant than their AE counterparts (wingtip boot vs. Dalton, LWB vs. MacNeil, shortwing bal vs. McAllister).

 

The one area where AE definitely surpasses Alden, without a doubt, however, is customer service. AE customer service is unparalleled. Alden's is quite poor by comparison (more in line with the general customer service approach to men's shoes).

 


+1 this has been my experience as well going from majority AE to now majority Alden.  I still have love for AE, but I just prefer the aesthetics and fit of Alden makeups in general; plus I caught a case of the "rare" shell bug which is half the fun

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Brooks x AE Aberdeens today
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Walnut Wednesday McAllisters

 

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When you guys get a new pair of shoes, do you put them in rotation or wear them more often so, they break in quicker?
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When you guys get a new pair of shoes, do you put them in rotation or wear them more often so, they break in quicker?

 

depends on how many pairs of shoes you have!

 

my rotation is about 5 now, so instead of wearing it once a week i may wear it twice a week to break in.

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Need some advice. I have a chance to buy what appears to be shell cordovan monks. Can you tell by the pics if they are shell or calf? There seems to be the correct wrinkles and maybe even some "blooming?' Help me out here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Everytime I put my Gobi's on it just reminds how comfortable dainite with no midsole is....

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Everytime I put my Gobi's on it just reminds how comfortable dainite with no midsole is....

CRAZY TALK!!!
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Originally Posted by JSO1 View Post

They're considered a level above because they are. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but as someone who has owned over 30 different pairs of Allen Edmonds (I now have about 10) and 15 pairs of Alden, I judge the difference between them to be considerable.

AE first quality shoes regularly hit my doorstep with a major cosmetic defect (tiger striped burnishing, bunched up leather, ankle bowing, misaligned eye stays, curved/uneven wingtip point, pattern placement mismatches, glue seeping onto the insole, sloppy welt join points, lasting tape stuck between the welt and the upper, eyelet backs gouging the tongue, separating rubber heel lifts, dry shell cordovan, and broguing imperfections, just to name a few that I have experienced myself). When I first started buying AE shoes, I was not very discerning. I never noticed flaws, because I wasn't examining the shoes carefully. Who does? Only shoe "enthusiasts" like many of the folks on here. For 99% of men, AE shoes would be a massive step up from the crap they're wearing every day, and are significantly better finished and made.

However, for "shoe guys", Alden offers a better product. It's more expensive, and they do have their own QC issues from time to time (sloppy welt join points and heel nails that aren't struck in perfectly seem to be more common), but Alden does much better with finishing on their calf (unlike the horribly sticky, glossy finish AE is applying these days), has always used C.F.Stead suede (generally regarded as the best - glad to see AE starting to use it now), and is definitely a cut above AE when it comes to finishing shell cordovan.

While differences in patterns and lasts are aesthetic and thus subject to personal preferences, I think that most Alden patterns and lasts are more elegant than their AE counterparts (wingtip boot vs. Dalton, LWB vs. MacNeil, shortwing bal vs. McAllister).

The one area where AE definitely surpasses Alden, without a doubt, however, is customer service. AE customer service is unparalleled. Alden's is quite poor by comparison (more in line with the general customer service approach to men's shoes).

this is all arguably true, but (imo) C&J are both better finished, better constructed, and better looking than their Alden counterparts, and are similarly priced now. Alden is a bit weird b/c it's such a fashion brand at this point and that drives price. I own Alden Indy boots but otherwise my C&J boots are way nicer than Alden and for the price, my AE shell loafers I prefer to Alden. Alden occupies a weird middle ground imo, again driven by its status as a fashion brand
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Originally Posted by JSO1 View Post
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They're considered a level above because they are. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but as someone who has owned over 30 different pairs of Allen Edmonds (I now have about 10) and 15 pairs of Alden, I judge the difference between them to be considerable.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
 

AE first quality shoes regularly hit my doorstep with a major cosmetic defect (tiger striped burnishing, bunched up leather, ankle bowing, misaligned eye stays, curved/uneven wingtip point, pattern placement mismatches, glue seeping onto the insole, sloppy welt join points, lasting tape stuck between the welt and the upper, eyelet backs gouging the tongue, separating rubber heel lifts, dry shell cordovan, and broguing imperfections, just to name a few that I have experienced myself). When I first started buying AE shoes, I was not very discerning. I never noticed flaws, because I wasn't examining the shoes carefully. Who does? Only shoe "enthusiasts" like many of the folks on here. For 99% of men, AE shoes would be a massive step up from the crap they're wearing every day, and are significantly better finished and made.

 

However, for "shoe guys", Alden offers a better product. It's more expensive, and they do have their own QC issues from time to time (sloppy welt join points and heel nails that aren't struck in perfectly seem to be more common), but Alden does much better with finishing on their calf (unlike the horribly sticky, glossy finish AE is applying these days), has always used C.F.Stead suede (generally regarded as the best - glad to see AE starting to use it now), and is definitely a cut above AE when it comes to finishing shell cordovan.

 

While differences in patterns and lasts are aesthetic and thus subject to personal preferences, I think that most Alden patterns and lasts are more elegant than their AE counterparts (wingtip boot vs. Dalton, LWB vs. MacNeil, shortwing bal vs. McAllister).

 

The one area where AE definitely surpasses Alden, without a doubt, however, is customer service. AE customer service is unparalleled. Alden's is quite poor by comparison (more in line with the general customer service approach to men's shoes).

 


+1 this has been my experience as well going from majority AE to now majority Alden.  I still have love for AE, but I just prefer the aesthetics and fit of Alden makeups in general; plus I caught a case of the "rare" shell bug which is half the fun

 

Not going to disagree completely. I will say that I have had my fair share of QC issues with Alden however when I get a pair I expect them to be terrific and sadly with AE I expect there to be an issue. I will disagree on the finish of Alden's shell...to me they look plastic, patent leather or vynal......and of course I own several pairs of it with more on the way :) I dull them up. Won't rehash the wing debate as that is a preference. One thing WITHOUT a doubt is that Alden when it comes to boots eats AE's lunch...from styles, to fit to models offered and leather choices.

 

One place AE stumbles is that they put out a boot then it is gone...nothing stays in the rotation. If it was not for MTO'd AE boots I think I would only own 3 or 4 - with Alden it really never ends...just when you have enough Indy's someone drops a new build with a new leather...etc ....NST/Captoe/Indy...three boot models you can own a bunch of and never be done. Alden's speedhooks are a joke.(sorry had to get that in :)

 

And for AE to me when you get a perfect pair there is no better value around.

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Need some advice. I have a chance to buy what appears to be shell cordovan monks. Can you tell by the pics if they are shell or calf? There seems to be the correct wrinkles and maybe even some "blooming?' Help me out here.

 

 

 

They look like shell to me.  I'm guessing they are the Shell Norwich????

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Everytime I put my Gobi's on it just reminds how comfortable dainite with no midsole is....

CRAZY TALK!!!

and how quickly the cold transfers through...my toes are chilly!

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They look like shell to me.  I'm guessing they are the Shell Norwich????


Spring 1995 catalog has them as "Black Cherry Shell Cordovan Standish" Got them for $49. Anyone know what black cherry is supposed to look like?

 

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hey all - wanted your thoughts on brown grainversus brown leather on for the First Ave's as I'm torn between the two. 

 

http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/new-styles/first-avenue-dress-boots/SF1193.html?dwvar_SF1193_color=1193#start=6

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hey all - wanted your thoughts on brown grainversus brown leather on for the First Ave's as I'm torn between the two.

 

http://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/mens-shoes/new-styles/first-avenue-dress-boots/SF1193.html?dwvar_SF1193_color=1193#start=6

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I like them both.  Brown burnished is more formal; brown grain is more casual.  How do you plan to wear them?

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