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Originally Posted by misterellington View Post


They're terrible places to shop. So much awfulness to dig through. frown.gif But if you have a good eye, good things can jump out at you. AEs stand out amongst the dross. And it depends on where you go. If you're in the northeast/Atlantic region, your odds are good you'll find something as I do here in NYC and as Neo1 spotted for me in the Braintree MA BCF.

YMMV.

 

 

I reckon, being in central North Carolina, my odds are quite poor...

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BCF=Burlington Coat Factory?
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Fall officially starts Wednesday. Even though it is 90+ here still, I know boot weather is not far away. So with that in mind I am posting my boots to get ready! My local menswear / shoe store has some brown grain Dundees coming in, they might find their way to my closet.







Chris
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I reckon, being in central North Carolina, my odds are quite poor...

As long as you aren't an 11.5 D, we can go hunting together tomorrow... smile.gif
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As long as you aren't an 11.5 D, we can go hunting together tomorrow... smile.gif

 

10.5 D here, so we're all square.

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Are there any discounts or promotions for shoeback seconds? Thanks.

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Goodyear welting is not mechanized handwelting.

 

You're missing the point -- though I appreciate the videos. I've seen them before, but for some reason shoemaking is one of the handcrafts I really like to watch!

 

The point is, a goodyear welt is a goodyear welt. It doesn't matter whether it's mechanized or not. Calling something "handwelted" and not saying what kind of welt is used is like calling a car "hand painted" and not bothering to describe what color.

 

To continue to play the devil's advocate here, the strength and quality of a goodyear welt is such that many hand makers still employ the welt even if they are hand stitching the shoe. At that point, you're really only worrying about cosmetic issues... like hiding the stitching way under the edge, or doing one of the many fancy stitching patterns that I've seen like the braids or... I don't know what to call them all. But I've seen several different styles in videos where they are still attaching a sole via -- you guessed it, a goodyear welt.

 

Also, if you're talking about bespoke shoes costing thousands of dollars on the AE Appreciation forum, you're comparing toyotas and ferraris.

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Again, Non-AE, so be forewarned. "Scotch" Shell Longwing Gunboats...dig the pricing screwup.

 

 

 

OK, you win the shopping for bargains game.

 

Geez, I'd have bought that even if it wasn't my size to flip on ebay! Good eye.

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BCF=Burlington Coat Factory?


Yes

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Fall officially starts Wednesday. Even though it is 90+ here still, I know boot weather is not far away. So with that in mind I am posting my boots to get ready! My local menswear / shoe store has some brown grain Dundees coming in, they might find their way to my closet.







Chris

Every one of those is straight HOTNESS. And I LOVE that color combo on the lug-soled Cascades. I have a black pair, and I've seen the black/brown two-tone, but that tan and sienna.? Loveliness.
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You're missing the point -- though I appreciate the videos. I've seen them before, but for some reason shoemaking is one of the handcrafts I really like to watch!

The point is, a goodyear welt is a goodyear welt. It doesn't matter whether it's mechanized or not. Calling something "handwelted" and not saying what kind of welt is used is like calling a car "hand painted" and not bothering to describe what color.

To continue to play the devil's advocate here, the strength and quality of a goodyear welt is such that many hand makers still employ the welt even if they are hand stitching the shoe. At that point, you're really only worrying about cosmetic issues... like hiding the stitching way under the edge, or doing one of the many fancy stitching patterns that I've seen like the braids or... I don't know what to call them all. But I've seen several different styles in videos where they are still attaching a sole via -- you guessed it, a goodyear welt.

Also, if you're talking about bespoke shoes costing thousands of dollars on the AE Appreciation forum, you're comparing toyotas and ferraris.

No, to be blunt, your point is wrong. Yes, a goodyear welt is a goodyear welt. No, handwelting is not goodyear welting. When you say that the term "handwelted" is like calling a car "hand painted" without describing the color, it implies that you don't realize that handwelting is a distinct method that predates goodyear welting by centuries. That you think goodyear welting is the gold standard, and handwelting is just goodyear welting by hand. It's not. As MoneyWellSpent said, there are many threads here at SF that discuss this. Here's a post from DWFII, who is a master cordwainer, explaining the difference.

I think you and some others are overplaying the word "appreciation" in this thread. Some are using it as an excuse to be rude. In your case, you are insinuating that I'm being unfair to AE. I didn't bring up $5,000 bespoke pairs from Gaziano and Girling to denigrate AE. I said there are two ways of looking at whether the difference between handwelting and goodyear welting matters. One is that it doesn't because the ready-to-wear lines of EG, G&G, and JL - which cost three times or more than AE firsts at full retail - all use goodyear welting. Well, if the best ready-to-wear shoes in the world use this technique, it should be pretty good. But another view is that if you go with G&G bespoke, they will use handwelting to make the shoe and not goodyear welting. Unless you think that's done purely for romantic notions, it suggests that there is a quality difference between the techniques.

It's not an insult to AE to clarify the differences between benchgrade, handgrade, and handmade. I strongly disagree with those people in this thread who think that talking about what reasonable expectations at a $385 price point are is off topic. At $385, you can't expect a handmade shoe made in the U.S. But you can expect a benchgrade shoe made in the U.S., and AE delivers on that.
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Anyone ever do a price adjustment and ask for it in gift card form? I used an amex offer that was expiring soon. Heard that AE is usually good about adjusting prices from their sales but would need to get refund in some other form to keep the offer.

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@yanagi

 

Then why are all the videos I watched on how shoes are made saying they're using the goodyear welt?

 

I'm not insinuating(sic) anything, here. And don't forget, there are others in this discussion so not everything is directly at you. You were just the last person in the reply stream. There are other arguments for which I'm also playing devil's advocate, so get over yourself and keep teaching me things. I really do find shoemaking videos fascinating. It's a bizarre affliction, as I'm never going to make any myself!

 

And, as an aside, don't people spend lots of money on romantic notions? Better or otherwise, it most certainly is a factor. There's a great deal of cachet to relatively unimportant crap in all kinds of niche market manufacturing, where it is quite obvious. But cachet, romantic notions, carry weight whether they matter greatly or not. You may think that the extra strength from a welt that can't be machine replicated matters, but someone might just think that it's cool his shoe was stitched up by an old fashioned cobbler and be willing to pay for the extra labor hours based on that notion alone. Sure, it could be stronger, but at a certain point the value comes in the perception of what it is worth.

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PC PoD to help rebalance the thread:

 

 

Sand Suede Gobis. I hope one day soon AE decides to start offering brown Dainite. I'd send these in for recrafting well before they needed to if that were the case.


You might be able to get brown Dainite soles from B Nelson in New York:

http://www.bnelsonshoes.com/dainite.asp

 

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OK, you win the shopping for bargains game.

Geez, I'd have bought that even if it wasn't my size to flip on ebay! Good eye.

Shell just looks...“different”. There had to be at least 150 shoes on that rack, and THOSE just sort of “popped”. I almost dropped them when I turned 'em over for the price reveal. And (I know, stupid, stupid...) I initially left those at BCF because they weren't my size and folks here WENT IN ON ME! LOL. They said the same thing—"Buy 'em to flip 'em" , which as profitable as it could be, is not "me". I'm a "buyer", not really a "seller". So I went back and checked 'em again—they weren't my listed size, but son-of-a-bitch, when I looked at 'em next to a pair of size 12D (I float between an 11E and a 12D depending on the last and maker) Suede Gobis, I noticed they "looked" about the same size.

Tried 'em on.

They fit. WTF?

Gunboats are cut big, and these were. I almost had a Goddamn heart attack. $49.00 for Shell Cordovan with a Goodyear Welt?

Played the lottery that week, as sh*t was apparently going my way nabbing those, the "Gobis" and a Nutmeg pair of "Big Surs" for $275.00 in total. Didn't win. But hey, I was already ahead of the game, right? LOL!
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