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It's a pet peeve of mine when I make an effort to find middle ground and it gets rebuffed. Yeah, obviously, if you buy seconds, you can't expect first-level quality. And if you buy firsts, no, you shouldn't be expecting Edward Green finishing. It's unfair to demand $1000+ quality control at $385. We all know this.

But at the same time, you can't say that someone who buys firsts can't complain about anything at all. It depends on what the perceived issue is. Maybe the complaint is unfair. Maybe it's justified. He should be asked to take photos of the shoes instead of being derisively told to look at Cole Haan and Johnston & Murphy instead.
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Originally Posted by yanagi View Post

It's a pet peeve of mine when I make an effort to find middle ground and it gets rebuffed. Yeah, obviously, if you buy seconds, you can't expect first-level quality. And if you buy firsts, no, you shouldn't be expecting Edward Green finishing. It's unfair to demand $1000+ quality control at $385. We all know this.

But at the same time, you can't say that someone who buys firsts can't complain about anything at all. It depends on what the perceived issue is. Maybe the complaint is unfair. Maybe it's justified. He should be asked to take photos of the shoes instead of being derisively told to look at Cole Haan and Johnston & Murphy instead.

 

Are you done yet?

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Are you done yet?

Sure am. Sorry we couldn't have a mature discussion.

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Sure am. Sorry we couldn't have a mature discussion.


 

I love that you just provided a screen shot like I give a fuck. I'm just happy you're done wasting our time.

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I think we can all afford to take a few deep breaths. Some commenters here have, in their own perception, overpaid for an item they believe to have been misrepresented. Of course that will be a sore spot.

Then there are people here with 20plus pairs of AE who post to this forum every day, they have significant investments of time and money into the AE brand so of course aggression against AE will be met in kind.

Let's just remove the personal stuff and discuss the issues matter of factly, and attempt some level of maturity
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Originally Posted by Levi1 View Post

I think we can all afford to take a few deep breaths. Some commenters here have, in their own perception, overpaid for an item they believe to have been misrepresented. Of course that will be a sore spot.

Then there are people here with 20plus pairs of AE who post to this forum every day, they have significant investments of time and money into the AE brand so of course aggression against AE will be met in kind.

Let's just remove the personal stuff and discuss the issues matter of factly, and attempt some level of maturity

 

Don't take this the wrong way but what blows my mind is that this thread is the Allen Edmonds Appreciation Thread and people continue to pollute it with off topic posting. If someone really feels the need to post incessantly about their opinion of the quality of AE shoes then there is a really neat feature on Styleforum that allows a user to create their own thread. I only own two pairs of AE shoes but I enjoy browsing this thread for what it was meant for. I am not an AE fanboy by any means, but after a while you get sick of scrolling through the... crap.

 

At the end of the day we live in a capitalist society. If you don't like AE shoes or you think that they are overpriced for the quality you as the consumer are getting, don't buy their shoes. It really is that simple.

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It is a common phenomenon as old as Internet message boards (like Usenet, etc): people feel compelled to demonstrate anonymously that they "know better" than you, and you should feel silly for not being as sophisticated as they.

Happens all the time, everywhere, regarding every topic.

Meanwhile, please enjoy my small family of PTBs. As you see here, Carmina and Allen Edmonds can exist side by side in peace and harmony.

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In the spirit of mas appreciation, I'm pretty stoked on these!

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First Ave boot in black grain with double v tread and brown transparent edging.

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Looks nice.

Went and saw the first ave in person yesterday and I think its my next. Probably the walnut one.
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It is a common phenomenon as old as Internet message boards (like Usenet, etc): people feel compelled to demonstrate anonymously that they "know better" than you, and you should feel silly for not being as sophisticated as they.

I have to point out one irony here. One of AE's strengths is customer service. If I google "Allen Edmonds" "Customer Service," I can find thread after thread from different fora - here, AAAC, blogs, Youtube, Reddit - praising AE's customer service. And yet, when someone here is talking about buying AE shoes (hardly off topic) at full retail but is unsure of whether he's getting his money's worth, he's basically told to fuck off. Sure, the people saying that aren't AE employees, but it feels like when they have issues, they go to AE to get it right; when others have issues, love 'em or leave 'em. Really?

I didn't come here to complain about AE. I said repeatedly that I agree about the value proposition. I said I am a happy owner of two pairs that I wear to work 3 times a week. My black PAs were my first nice, real dress shoes, and I'll never forget thinking "wow" when I pulled them out of the box and out of the cloth bag. But because I said a guy buying firsts has some right to complain (within reason), everything positive I said about AE is ignored, and I'm told to fuck off as if I'm saying AE sucks. Obviously I'll push back in that case.

Doesn't mean I don't appreciate my AEs.

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I'm sorry if it wasn't clear, but since you quoted me, I'll clarify that I wasn't referring to you. I hope you didn't take my post personally. I was just trying to say that the contretemps this weekend was nothing new and we should all just move on. Most of us know what we are buying when we get AEs. After 24 pairs (now down to to 16), I know I sure do.
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Saw a pair of Hopkinson (the Park Aves on the new 201 last) in store today.  It's the left one and on the right in the Park Ave for comparison. Take a look! 

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It's still around 100 here, so I am wearing (unlined) tan suede Strandmoks today.  I turned my right foot sideways when taking the picture, showing that the Strandmoks have a rubber heel stack (as heel stacks seem to be a popular subject here recently) as well as showing that when I had the Strandmoks reheeled the shoemaker didn't have exactly the same shade of rubber heels, which was fine with me as, in most cases, the only creatures on Earth who would notice this are probably bugs.......


...and for fans of pictures of Allen-Edmonds shoes in the wild, it was over 100 last week when I went to Santa Barbara, so here's a picture wearing the tan suede Strandmoks enroute to Santa Barbara.

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Originally Posted by yanagi View Post

It's a pet peeve of mine when I make an effort to find middle ground and it gets rebuffed. Yeah, obviously, if you buy seconds, you can't expect first-level quality. And if you buy firsts, no, you shouldn't be expecting Edward Green finishing. It's unfair to demand $1000+ quality control at $385. We all know this.

But at the same time, you can't say that someone who buys firsts can't complain about anything at all. It depends on what the perceived issue is. Maybe the complaint is unfair. Maybe it's justified. He should be asked to take photos of the shoes instead of being derisively told to look at Cole Haan and Johnston & Murphy instead.

I'm in the same boat as you...I can't stand when you try to have an objective civilized discussion, involving constructive criticism, and people retort with some ignorant-asshole, personal attack type comment, or snide comment, just because they disagree, or don't want to hear what you're saying...hell, I made it be known months ago that I thought this thread has become clogged with questions about flaws on second hand shoes that have been purchased for $10.00 off EBay or Burlington CF or Marshalls or wherever. But I wouldn't personally insult those people...I just ignore the posts I don't want to read and move on now. But to be clear, I'm not even bitching about flaws...Flaws and mistakes on second hand/reject shoes are one thing...routinely cutting corners across the board as a part of your accepted manufacturing process on firsts, to the detriment to the quality of the final product, all while raising retail prices every year and a half is something different entirely, in my book. But I'm assuming the cheaper leathers and cardboard heels are par for the course for a shoemaker at this price point according to Moneywellspent (I believe that was his name)...and I'm far from an AE hater, so that's actually good to hear, I guess
Edited by harlequin782 - 9/20/15 at 5:02pm
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I have a boatload of AE and the first time I heard the leathers were cut and initial stitching was done in the DR I was pissed. I came to AE as I wanted USA production. Got over it when I discovered the MTO and shell were all done stateside, think I have 7 or 8 MTOs.

Also was disappointed about the heel issue....of course I have no idea if Alden does the same or Viberg or Vass for that matter but I assumed it was stacked leather. I am yet to have a heel issue with any that I wear so perhaps it is a non issue.

Personally there are a few of my MTO boots that I would not trade for anything that I have seen by any maker under 1000 bucks. When AE is on the game from a quality standpoint they are unbeatable in value.
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Just went with another round of buying spree of AE shoes. Almost done building my own AE collection, just waiting for Black & Walnut Park Avenues. As a college senior, building a collection for post-graduation employment. Total of around 50 pairs of loafers and oxfords. And yes I rock them to lectures.

 

 

Current AE Line Up (12 pairs):

 

Carlyle (Walnut) | Strand (Walnut) | Strand (Bourbon) | McAllister (Walnut) | Fifth Avenue (Walnut) | 6th Avenue (Brown) | McGregor (Navy Suede) | Ascher (Walnut) | Ascher (Bourbon) | Cavanaugh (Walnut) | Cavanaugh (Choco Suede) | Bar Harbor (Brown - Beater shoe..)

 

 

Pics coming once I receive a few more and get a few others from my cobbler. If I wanted more loafers... Looking at the stone suede and navy suede of the Cavanaugh. Fits me very well and them suede models look very sexy.

 

Regarding this conversation with quality... My honest opinion is that even the first quality pairs are not "flawless" in quality. Even I think that fashion brands have better physically appearing build quality - stitching, centering, etc. But I feel like the imperfections of AE can even be quite deliberate, to make it more like old school hand made shoes. I personally don't buy AE for "best" craftmanship.. I mean you wear that once and you get scuffs and scratches and cracking. I think it should be all about the design + color, quality of input materials, and overall comfort of the shoes. Quite hard to beat AE in the comfort department.

 

With that said, haha peeps stop hating on Cole Haans... I think they are the best combo of design for classics + forward, all at the right price under $100~$150. Yes, their leather sucks bad.

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