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Originally Posted by vmss View Post

It does bother me that they are using inferior products like cardboard heels, lower leather quality compared other brands in similar price range. I like the company, but they seem to making shortcuts on materials. That is why I moved on to other brands like Carmina. I think they are relying on their reputation and getting away with the shortcuts.

Glad to know its not just me...because that's exactly how its striking me as well...I think they know the average consumer doesn't frequent these threads, and is therefore ignorant of what makes a good shoe for this price point...all the average consumer knows is that Allen Edmonds is a "great American shoe company....and by golly, they make top of the line leather shoes"... At least that's the company's previous reputation...but all this strikes me as HIGHLY duplicitous and even more insulting, as a semi-educated consumer...it would be one thing if their product was already almost always flawless...but judging by this thread, the shoe is already only worth considering if it can be had a tremendously deep discount or on sale...its clear that hardly any informed person considers their product worthy of paying full retail price for...and then, for them to cheapen the product even further, by taking such shortcuts, feels like even more of a slap in the face to someone like me, who has proudly paid full retail price for multiple pairs of shoes, despite them routinely increasing the prices year over year within the 4 years I've known about them.

And if they view such shortcuts as passable now, (cardboard building materials, cheap leather, Dominican Republic outsourcing etc) how do I know they won't wind up using paper mache to construct their soles, in the future eventually...or hey, why not use spaghetti noodles for the laces next...after all, all that matters is that the shoes can be found in bargain bins, and that whenever our quality control issues are discovered and brought to the fore, we make sure to bend over backward to leave the impression of exceptional customer service, instead of just delivering a quality product to begin with...If there's one thing that the recent Blue Bell Ice Cream debacle has taught me, its that: these companies will play that hardworking, down home, "aww shucks", innocuous, hometown, "American made" role for as long as it takes to get consumers' money. But behind closed doors, they'll be cutting every corner possible regardless of who it affects or endangers...as long as they feel no threat of being exposed. And they'll hide behind some professional business philosophy of LEAN or whatever else, but at the end of the day, it boils down to cutting corners, and giving customers as little as possible, for the money they pay.


And I know most people's thoughts are "hey, still better than Cole Haan and Kenneth Cole".... But at the price range at which AE is operating , so are Carmina, Alden and others. I initially thought AE's would carry me into the sunset as I enter my golden years... These days I'm starting to see them fading into the distant horizon in my rearview mirror; reluctantly accepting that they are nothing more than a fleeting brand by, of, and for opportunists seeking as many shortcuts to saving a buck as there are sizing dimensions on the brannock
Edited by harlequin782 - 9/19/15 at 8:17am
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In an attempt to increase the number of pics on the thread....

 

My MTO Natural CXL Leeds with Vibram Christy soles. Heavily worn, they've gotten significantly darker over time...

 

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In an attempt to increase the number of pics on the thread....

 

My MTO Natural CXL Leeds with Vibram Christy soles. Heavily worn, they've gotten significantly darker over time...

 

 

Those look so good! I never would have imagined pairing the harrier sole with that, but I think it works marvelously. Any more pics?

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Those look so good! I never would have imagined pairing the harrier sole with that, but I think it works marvelously. Any more pics?

 

Thank you kindly; unfortunately I don't have the photography skills of others here on SF, but these will hopefully fit the bill. As you can imagine, the white sole does get dirty rather quickly:

 

 

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Are styles that are being cleared out also discounted further during the rda? Interested in the jefferson but not sure if I should wait to see if they go lower. 

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Are they using cardboard heels on all of their models now?
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Originally Posted by vmss View Post

It does bother me that they are using inferior products like cardboard heels, lower leather quality compared other brands in similar price range. I like the company, but they seem to making shortcuts on materials. That is why I moved on to other brands like Carmina. I think they are relying on their reputation and getting away with the shortcuts.

Glad to know its not just me...because that's exactly how its striking me as well...I think they know the average consumer doesn't frequent these threads, and is therefore ignorant of what makes a good shoe for this price point...all the average consumer knows is that Allen Edmonds is a "great American shoe company....and by golly, they make top of the line leather shoes"... At least that's the company's previous reputation...but all this strikes me as HIGHLY duplicitous and even more insulting, as a semi-educated consumer...it would be one thing if their product was already almost always flawless...but judging by this thread, the shoe is already only worth considering if it can be had a tremendously deep discount or on sale...its clear that hardly any informed person considers their product worthy of paying full retail price for...and then, for them to cheapen the product even further, by taking such shortcuts, feels like even more of a slap in the face to someone like me, who has proudly paid full retail price for multiple pairs of shoes, despite them routinely increasing the prices year over year within the 4 years I've known about them.

And if they view such shortcuts as passable now, (cardboard building materials, cheap leather, Dominican Republic outsourcing etc) how do I know they won't wind up using paper mache to construct their soles, in the future eventually...or hey, why not use spaghetti noodles for the laces next...after all, all that matters is that the shoes can be found in bargain bins, and that whenever our quality control issues are discovered and brought to the fore, we make sure to bend over backward to leave the impression of exceptional customer service, instead of just delivering a quality product to begin with...If there's one thing that the recent Blue Bell Ice Cream debacle has taught me, its that: these companies will play that hardworking, down home, "aww shucks", innocuous, hometown, "American made" role for as long as it takes to get consumers' money. But behind closed doors, they'll be cutting every corner possible regardless of who it affects or endangers...as long as they feel no threat of being exposed. And they'll hide behind some professional business philosophy of LEAN or whatever else, but at the end of the day, it boils down to cutting corners, and giving customers as little as possible, for the money they pay.


And I know most people's thoughts are "hey, still better than Cole Haan and Kenneth Cole".... But at the price range at which AE is operating , so are Carmina, Alden and others. I initially thought AE's would carry me into the sunset as I enter my golden years... These days I'm starting to see them fading into the distant horizon in my rearview mirror; reluctantly accepting that they are nothing more than a fleeting brand by, of, and for opportunists seeking as many shortcuts to saving a buck as there are sizing dimensions on the brannock

 

Is there evidence of the cardboard heel in their main line? I don't know about leather quality but they seem to have rolled out Horween CXL and CF Stead suede...hardly inferior products.

 

I mean if you are comparing say Mondavi Woodbridge wine to Mondavi Opus One - and blanket statement that Mondavi makes inferior wine using inferior grapes and production based on Woodbrisge but lumping the whole mondavi brand in there it is not fair.

 

I am not defending AE as I have no idea if they use cardboard in their main line, DR lne, INDY line etc.. I also have no idea if their leather in those lines are inferior but it seems a whole lot of blanket statement thrown out in the above posts


Edited by Kahuna75 - 9/19/15 at 10:05am
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To those of you who keep lumping in Carmina and Alden with AE: Stop. They're easily $100+ more expensive. The leathers are better than what other companies are offering in this price range based on the Meermin and other low-end shoes I have (ie. Andrew Lock). If you're going to call yourself even semi-educated than you should know better than to write such a patently absurd rant (are you running for the 2016 GOP nomination by the way? It sure sounds like it) where you call the company duplicitous for doing...nothing of the sort. GOODNESS!

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I believe the comments are based on what they perceive to be cutting corners from what they think the quality was . Not sure if they are right, but that sounds like their argument.

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The heels of my McTavish have worn down, and it's definitely some type of paperboard underneath. I'll take a photo tonight when I'm home. The heel stiffener is celastic, I believe, and the toe stiffener in calf models is paperboard, I think.

Yeah, it irks me too when folks compare Carmina to AE. They're only comparably priced due to a fluke of currency fluctuations. It's easily a much higher end shoe.

Also labor and associated business costs in Spain are not comparable to USA.
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. . . they are nothing more than a fleeting brand by, of, and for opportunists seeking as many shortcuts to saving a buck as there are sizing dimensions on the brannock.

 

I didn't realize until today that I am an opportunist.

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I didn't realize until today that I am an opportunist.

It's a shocking revelation, I know...even I was grief stricken when I came to the realization, myself frown.gif
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I believe the comments are based on what they perceive to be cutting corners from what they think the quality was . Not sure if they are right, but that sounds like their argument.

Yeah...that's pretty much it...you seem to have much better reading comprehension than that other guy babbling about GOP and presidential candidates or whatever...lol
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I would have to say that it's nice to finally have something different to talk about apart from seconds, sales, defects, and awesome BCF deals. I like reading those too but this one is definitely more interesting. It's been awhile since the last proper discussion about quality...
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Originally Posted by Kahuna75 View Post

Is there evidence of the cardboard heel in their main line? I don't know about leather quality but they seem to have rolled out Horween CXL and CF Stead suede...hardly inferior products.

I mean if you are comparing say Mondavi Woodbridge wine to Mondavi Opus One - and blanket statement that Mondavi makes inferior wine using inferior grapes and production based on Woodbrisge but lumping the whole mondavi brand in there it is not fair.

I am not defending AE as I have no idea if they use cardboard in their main line, DR lne, INDY line etc.. I also have no idea if their leather in those lines are inferior but it seems a whole lot of blanket statement thrown out in the above posts

Like I said, as a semi-educated person about these matters, all I know is that when the heel came off of my Neumoks here recently, what came off with it was an awfully cardboard feeling white material sandwiched in the heel stack...I don't know if its actual cardboard or not, but it sure resembles it.
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