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Originally Posted by jubu View Post

Thanks @watchidiot -- do you think the toe box is roomier, or about the same as the 65-last?
As you can see from the replies, the fit really depends on your foot and that there is no universally correct answer.

I have a wide forefoot and a very high instep. I measure 8.5D on the brannock. For 65 last I wear 8E on derbies and 8.5E on bals. For the grayson I wear 8.5D.

Before I figured out my 65 last sizing I actually bought an 8.5D strand. It works for my feet except that the vgap is too wide. Thus I have to increase the width for my subsequent purchases. If I was to be honest with myself though, 65 lasted bals aren't really for me.

For the toe box, Neo is correct. The 97 last has a more aggressive taper but that's only because it's wider on the balls of the feet than the 65 last. It is also more flat compared to the more "bulbous" toes of the 65 last.

Anyway to help you out here are some side by side of 8.5D Graysons and strands. Pardon the dirty soles.


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Those are some long trousers there. shog[1].gif

 

Don't pick on him too much. I feel his pain.

 

I've got short legs and it's damned near impossible to buy off the rack without getting pants hemmed. For beater jeans I just walk the bottoms off. It's bad, but it allows me more choice in shoes. Can't really tell the difference between a blucher or a bal so the toe matters most.

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In a vacuum, do you guys prefer the Grayson or the Adams?  Do you consider one to be dressier or dandier than the other?

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Originally Posted by BackInTheJox View Post
 

So my 3 pairs of shoes came yesterday (speedy shipping from the warehouse!).  

 

The Rutledge is a very nice shoe, and the 333 last fits me well, despite never having tried a shoe on it before.  My only problem is the overly heavy black burnishing all over them - much heavier than other photos would indicate.  I'm wondering if I can "undo" most of it with either AE conditioner/cleaner or something else (similar to when people clean a pair of bourbon shoes).

 

The second pair is the Brooks Kenwood Brown/Blue as listed on the shoebank website.  It's a very nice looking shoe, but I may not keep it simply because it was not what I was looking for when I bought it.  Otherwise they look fantastic.

 

And lastly, the Brooks Duke Tartan Plug.  This is the loafer I was looking for, and it's a steal as seconds (I really don't see any flaws on them).  I'm still not 100% sure I will keep them either, gotta make sure I will actually put them to use.  I like the tartan pattern, I have the BB tartan Shaker Heights, and a matching signature tartan belt.

 

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Wow, man. That's way more dramatic than mine.

 

 

 

There are ways of mellowing it. Saddle soap is a mellow starting point.  A little rubbing alcohol and some elbow grease will strip any patina that is just polish based. Some folks use acetone, as well, and then re-moisturize the shoe. It's not nearly as harsh as it sounds if you're careful... just use the google and folks will have step by steps posted all over.

 

Also, once you've gotten it as mellow as you're able to, using plain walnut polish should cover it a bit.Or even a darker brown so that the light walnut sections end up a little darker.

 

I hope it works out. I got super lucky with mine -- they're good enough I wouldn't have returned them if they were first. I honestly can't see why they were seconds other than they had been tried on -- which I base on some small scuffs on the soles like they'd been walked in on carpet.

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Originally Posted by BespokeBrooklyn View Post
 

In a vacuum, do you guys prefer the Grayson or the Adams?  Do you consider one to be dressier or dandier than the other?


I have the Adams and I prefer it.  To me, the braiding makes it slightly dressier than the Grayson.  Because it's an Independence shoe, the leather, lining, and outsole are better on the Adams.  But the Adams only comes in burgundy and black, whereas the Grayson gives you more color choices. 

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I have the Adams and I prefer it.  To me, the braiding makes it slightly dressier than the Grayson.  Because it's an Independence shoe, the leather, lining, and outsole are better on the Adams.  But the Adams only comes in burgundy and black, whereas the Grayson gives you more color choices. 

Thanks.  I picked up a pair of Adams loafers at Burlington Coat Factory for $100 last weekend, and I like how they look.  I guess because I had never seen the braiding in person before it's just taking me a while to get used to it.  I agree with you that the leather feels nicer even than the mainline Allen Edmonds models.

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@BespokeBrooklynI actually thought you were kidding with that question 😄. The Adams is one of their best styles, I think they're much nicer than the Grayson. Once you try the indep line it's tough to go back.

I'm a big fan of the braid - I always liked the way it looked. I put off getting the Maxfield forever after reading some reviews about people having the braid break off. No idea how they could have done that - seems like that would take like a decade of nonstop wear. Liked them enough I picked up the Rye too, before it disappeared.

Coincidentally I just saw an Adams in black at BCF, 100 is definitely a steal. Fringe size - width was either A or AA.
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Wow, man. That's way more dramatic than mine.

 

 

 

There are ways of mellowing it. Saddle soap is a mellow starting point.  A little rubbing alcohol and some elbow grease will strip any patina that is just polish based. Some folks use acetone, as well, and then re-moisturize the shoe. It's not nearly as harsh as it sounds if you're careful... just use the google and folks will have step by steps posted all over.

 

Also, once you've gotten it as mellow as you're able to, using plain walnut polish should cover it a bit.Or even a darker brown so that the light walnut sections end up a little darker.

 

I hope it works out. I got super lucky with mine -- they're good enough I wouldn't have returned them if they were first. I honestly can't see why they were seconds other than they had been tried on -- which I base on some small scuffs on the soles like they'd been walked in on carpet.

 

Yeah, I was hoping for much more "mild" burnishing like yours.  I had considered acetone/alcohol, I'll have to look into that further so I don't screw them up completely.  Thanks.

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Originally Posted by RLeslieS View Post


I have the Adams and I prefer it.  To me, the braiding makes it slightly dressier than the Grayson.  Because it's an Independence shoe, the leather, lining, and outsole are better on the Adams.  But the Adams only comes in burgundy and black, whereas the Grayson gives you more color choices. 
While I don't have the Adams I definitely think they use better materials than the Grayson (at least the calfskin versions).

That said I actually feel the opposite in terms of what's dressier. I feel that the the extra ornaments on the Adams makes it less dressy than the Grayson. The braided cord and the NST stitching makes it look more casual to me than the plain jane Grayson in the same way that an NST looks more casual than a plain toe.

We're splitting hairs here probably. We all know anyway that neither the Adams and Grayson can really be considered as formal shoes.
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@watchidiot I guess I completely overlooked the dressy/formality aspect. Absolutely agree that the Adams is less dressier with the extra, and also that I wouldn't go with either for super formal.
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My sizing experience is different from watchidiot's.   I take a 6 EEE in the 65 last but a 6.5E in the Grayson's 97 last.  I guess it all comes down to foot shape.

It so depends on foot shape! I see that on my own two feet. Not only is my left a size shorter, it also fits shoes much better. I got Leeds (511 last) in 8 1/2 3E and while the left foot obviously doesn't reach very far into the shoe, I can lace it up in lots of ways and it just fits and nothing hurts or feels weird. On the right foot however I can't use all lacing styles as that makes my instep hurt a lot, even though the foot still feels like its sliding around a bit. The tongue also noticeably sits in a different place than on the left. I've also never been able to get my right foot into any balmoral in a size that isn't ridiculously too big.
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Ok, so this morning I got a little antsy and decided to go ahead and give these a once over with some isopropyl alcohol and elbow grease (in the burnished areas).  Below are some pics (the lighting isn't identical to the original pics but you get the idea).  Obviously this is only my first go at it, and I will have to even the color out.  The photos are after I stripped much of the black color and then gave them a quick once-over with some AE cleaner/conditioner.  

 

I will continue to try to feather some of the burnishing so it all blends better, and then after some more conditioning, I am thinking of using some AE chili polish to slightly darken the leather and help it blend into the burnished areas.

 

First time having a go at this, so it's obviously not perfect.  Any suggestions/criticisms are welcome.

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks, @watchidiot and @neo1. I've never owned tassel loafers, and will probably only wear them to restaurants or to parties, with slacks and a sportcoat or sweater. I definitely see how the split toe and braid would make the Adams less formal, but also a bit "sharper" or dandier. I think that burgundy is probably a more versatile color for a tassel loafer, but at $100 I didn't feel as if I could pass them up. As for Neo's comment, I do wear a fringe size -- 15D, which is probably less rare than AA but still pretty difficult to find in brick-and-mortar stores. The downside is that its hard to find normal stock on a regular basis. The upside is that discontinued models turn up with a bit more regularity.

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@watchidiot I guess I completely overlooked the dressy/formality aspect. Absolutely agree that the Adams is less dressier with the extra, and also that I wouldn't go with either for super formal.

 

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I am very impressed with your work on these shoes.  I would just get some polish into them and go forth and shine (you and the shoes)

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