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Originally Posted by Southwick View Post

Sanford is my absolute favorite model. It broke my heart when they discontinued them before I completed my collection.

 

Jos A Bank has the same shoe, but they call it "The Lamont".  (Lamont Sanford from the old Red Foxx TV show, "Sanford and Son" -- someone has a sense of humor.) 

 

Available in walnut (in limited sizes).  Now on sale for $273.75! 

 

http://www.josbank.com/lamont-shoe-by-allen-edmonds-4DWL

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Originally Posted by BackInTheJox View Post
 

 

I just ordered a pair of these today myself!

Good luck! If they're close to mine you'll be really happy. Ran into a friend who also wears AE and he's almost angry at how little I paid compared to the strands he bought this spring.

 

He got strands in Bourbon for a wedding -- the groom just chose a color and let the groomsmen chose their own shoes -- and they're beautiful. I really want something in that color ever since seeing them. But I didn't tell him that. Just made sure to point out that I paid half as much a couple of times to get his ire up.

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@Moose22 - regarding the Rogue, worthy of a little more explanation on my part -

When I get a 65 bal, I'm basically getting something that I predict will fit in the future moderately well after significant break in. That pain you mentioned at the top? Very familiar...but if I can close the laces more than half way, I'll pull the trigger. With something as stiff as the PA, break in seemed endless, while in things like the rush st or neumok, it was far less painful. Bottom line is that with any of these, I lose the pain at the top and can close the gap to about 3/4.

With 65 bluchers, they always fit perfectly to start, but after breaking in they are always just a touch too large, just enough to be annoying. I am forced to wear heavier socks with them, and it still doesn't correct the fit 100%.

I love the look of the Rogue, but it's a blucher, and Ben said if a 65 blucher is big , a 201 would be worse. A 201 bal on the other hand....well, that's a totally different story.

The 333 worked for me for either open or closed lace, but open lace was more comfortable. Hope the Rutledge works out - my guess is that it will.
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Where is the downtown Brooklyn Burlington Coat Factory?
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Originally Posted by misterellington View Post

And then, from the “Now I've Seen EVERYTHING” file:

At the Downtown Brooklyn Burlington Coat Factory store, I came across these two...

A simply magnificent pair of Chocolate Suede DelRays in an 8.5E. They ARE seconds, but I couldn't find the “defect”.

The CRAZY shoe I saw however is a pair of “Maize and Blue” (Yeah, Michigan team colors) unlined Neumoks in a 10.5D—also seconds. They are as loud as a blown trumpet being run through a trash disposal, but...I don't know why...they somehow still kinda work. With maybe one outfit a Michigan fan would have, I guess. The leather? Buttah-soft!

I don't know the provenance behind these. Some sort of SMU (No, not Southern Methodist University you smart-asses, but rather, a “Special Make Up”) shoe for an event or regional group of stores...I dunno. I just know I saw 'em. Snapped 'em. So here they go! smile.gif If you've got a Michigan fan in your circle of friends, go down there and git 'em for him! But those DelRays are sweet as molasses themselves.


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Where is the downtown Brooklyn Burlington Coat Factory?


In Atlantic Center across from the Barclays Arena. It's NO fun to shop in—but inexplicably, they every so often get a bunch of NICE AEs there. Get the 4,5,2,3,R,N,or Q train there for no more than $139.00—if they stay there long enough, they go down to about $69-$89. Third floor, go to the back of the store. It's a crappy place to shop but I've found diamonds amidst the poop. (“Poop” being gobs of awful, corrected grain Aldos and greasy-looking second-line Stacy Adams')

 

There's still a lovely pair of Aberdeens there in a 9—with a nick on the vamp, but they're distressed anyway, so it works, and a few super-large “Independence” line shoes there (Size 14-15), and even a pair of Bourbon Bleecker Streets in a 14 as well.


Edited by misterellington - 9/4/15 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by Neo1 View Post

@Moose22 - regarding the Rogue, worthy of a little more explanation on my part -

When I get a 65 bal, I'm basically getting something that I predict will fit in the future moderately well after significant break in. That pain you mentioned at the top? Very familiar...but if I can close the laces more than half way, I'll pull the trigger. With something as stiff as the PA, break in seemed endless, while in things like the rush st or neumok, it was far less painful. Bottom line is that with any of these, I lose the pain at the top and can close the gap to about 3/4.

With 65 bluchers, they always fit perfectly to start, but after breaking in they are always just a touch too large, just enough to be annoying. I am forced to wear heavier socks with them, and it still doesn't correct the fit 100%.

I love the look of the Rogue, but it's a blucher, and Ben said if a 65 blucher is big , a 201 would be worse. A 201 bal on the other hand....well, that's a totally different story.

The 333 worked for me for either open or closed lace, but open lace was more comfortable. Hope the Rutledge works out - my guess is that it will.


How much looser, in your opinion, do 65 bluchers fit vs 65 bals? Should I go a letter down?

And how long, in your experience, is the "endless" break-in period for your PAs? I've worn mine around 5 times (for a full day) and they're still quite painful....
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Originally Posted by nbj08 View Post

How much looser, in your opinion, do 65 bluchers fit vs 65 bals? Should I go a letter down?

And how long, in your experience, is the "endless" break-in period for your PAs? I've worn mine around 5 times (for a full day) and they're still quite painful....

I have 65 bluchers (Bradley) and balmorals (Park Ave). They both fit me the same. There is some small variation in each shoe that could account for different experiences, and all my AE shoes are shells, so I don't think they stretch like calf does.

If the shoes hurt your feet after a few wears, I'd suggest you got the wrong last. There are lasts that will always hurt my feet and I just stay away from them. One exception for me is when I get a shoe with double soles, the soles take a bit longer to get the stiffness out.

IMO if your toes hurt, you can get the shoes stretched, but get a different last next time. If your hurting around the ankles, sit in front of the television for half an hour and hand flex the rear heel of the shoes and it should feel better next wear.

IMHO
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Great report. In my neck of the woods, we would call Southern Methodist, Super Millionaires University. Due to the preponderance of trust fund babies that attended. 

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Originally Posted by misterellington View Post
 

And then, from the “Now I've Seen EVERYTHING” file:

 

At the Downtown Brooklyn Burlington Coat Factory store, I came across these two...

 

A simply magnificent pair of Chocolate Suede DelRays in an 8.5E. They ARE seconds, but I couldn't find the “defect”.

 

The CRAZY shoe I saw however is a pair of “Maize and Blue” (Yeah, Michigan team colors) unlined Neumoks in a 10.5D—also seconds. They are as loud as a blown trumpet being run through a trash disposal, but...I don't know why...they somehow still kinda work. With maybe one outfit a Michigan fan would have, I guess. The leather? Buttah-soft!

 

I don't know the provenance behind these. Some sort of SMU (No, not Southern Methodist University you smart-asses, but rather, a “Special Make Up”) shoe for an event or regional group of stores...I dunno. I just know I saw 'em. Snapped 'em. So here they go! :) If you've got a Michigan fan in your circle of friends, go down there and git 'em for him! But those DelRays are sweet as molasses themselves.

 

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Originally Posted by Grumpton View Post

I have 65 bluchers (Bradley) and balmorals (Park Ave). They both fit me the same. There is some small variation in each shoe that could account for different experiences, and all my AE shoes are shells, so I don't think they stretch like calf does.

If the shoes hurt your feet after a few wears, I'd suggest you got the wrong last. There are lasts that will always hurt my feet and I just stay away from them. One exception for me is when I get a shoe with double soles, the soles take a bit longer to get the stiffness out.

IMO if your toes hurt, you can get the shoes stretched, but get a different last next time. If your hurting around the ankles, sit in front of the television for half an hour and hand flex the rear heel of the shoes and it should feel better next wear.

IMHO


It's strange: my 10.5D shell Cambridges fit me great. No pain at all. But my 10.5D PAs cut into the top of my feet, at the tongue of the shoe. Same last, different result.

But I've worn my Cambridges about 20 times now; PAs only 5 times.

I'm looking at a pair of Kenilworths, and am trying to figure out if I should stick with 10.5D

Fwiw, I'm between a 10.5C and 10.5D on Brannock
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I love the look of the Rogue, but it's a blucher, and Ben said if a 65 blucher is big , a 201 would be worse. A 201 bal on the other hand....well, that's a totally different story.
 

 

Then the Rogue is totally not for you.

 

They're not "big" per se. They're the right size. But having worn a 333 for the day I can say the Rogues have more space on the entire instep, and being a blucher they'd be on the wrong side of the 333 shape for you.

 

I bet a 201 bal would fit like a dream. I'm wearing a 333 bal now and after a day of wearing and about a half mile walk this evening I can close up the laces to about 3/4" on the right show and 1/2" on the left. Don't ask my why the right is tighter, I don't know if it's my feet or the shoes. But these will never be completely closed up, though they'll eventually be close enough for government work. There IS some pressure from my foot at the 2nd an 3rd eyelet. If these were bluchers they'd already fit like they were made for me, I'm sure.

 

I'm convinced the difference with the 201 will make them easier to close on those first eyelets, so a perfect fit for me and a bal. The Rogues, as they broke in, didn't change much, but they had enough play I could bring the eyelets a touch closer to keep the fit perfect. You, on the other hand, would probably end up swimming around a bit with a blucher.

 

heh -- it's amazing how much I know about my foot and shoes now that I didn't know 8 months ago, before I  walked into my first AE store looking for fitting help.

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 @nbj08

How much looser, in your opinion, do 65 bluchers fit vs 65 bals? Should I go a letter down?

And how long, in your experience, is the "endless" break-in period for your PAs? I've worn mine around 5 times (for a full day) and they're still quite painful....

 

I'll be interested to hear Neo's personal take, but I didn't find blucher and balmoral really different in their basic size when I was trying everything on. The differences in the lacing were just amplified for me because the 65 last is NOT designed around my foot. If they are the right last for your foot, you should be about the same size in each.

 

For me, I've got a high instep, and high closer to the toes. Weird shaped foot when stuffed into a 5 last. A lot better fit in the 201 last. In my case, specifically, since my instep comes up early the closed lacing on the PA means the first couple of eyelets closest to the toe cannot be spread a bit to ease the pressure on my instep. Basically, whatever the shape of the vamp is is what I'm going to get and so I get pressure on the top of my foot and it pulls the sides of the toe box in as well.

 

With a blucher, you can open that area up near the toe just a bit more, and even stretch the vamp where it turns into the tongue a little with break in. Or you can pull the laces a little tighter as you need if it's loose. It's not much, but there is just a bit more room for sizing. You won't get that flexibility with a balmoral. They are just not quite as forgiving when the last doesn't match your foot well.

 

Anyway, where does the PA hurt you? It most definitely shouldn't still hurt after 5 wears! The pair I'm wearing are a touch off from perfect for me, but one day and they're already noticeably better than this morning. My Rogues felt good an hour after I put them on and I walked a mile that same evening to break them in without too much discomfort. It takes longer to set your foot shape in the cork, but 5 days is more than plenty to do that, too. And  5 days definitely should have shown some improvement on the top.

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@Moose22 - regarding the Rogue, worthy of a little more explanation on my part -

When I get a 65 bal, I'm basically getting something that I predict will fit in the future moderately well after significant break in. That pain you mentioned at the top? Very familiar...but if I can close the laces more than half way, I'll pull the trigger. With something as stiff as the PA, break in seemed endless, while in things like the rush st or neumok, it was far less painful. Bottom line is that with any of these, I lose the pain at the top and can close the gap to about 3/4.

With 65 bluchers, they always fit perfectly to start, but after breaking in they are always just a touch too large, just enough to be annoying. I am forced to wear heavier socks with them, and it still doesn't correct the fit 100%.

I love the look of the Rogue, but it's a blucher, and Ben said if a 65 blucher is big , a 201 would be worse. A 201 bal on the other hand....well, that's a totally different story.

The 333 worked for me for either open or closed lace, but open lace was more comfortable. Hope the Rutledge works out - my guess is that it will.


How much looser, in your opinion, do 65 bluchers fit vs 65 bals? Should I go a letter down?

And how long, in your experience, is the "endless" break-in period for your PAs? I've worn mine around 5 times (for a full day) and they're still quite painful....

 

I take a 12E on 65 lasted blucher and a 12eee in 65 lasted bals..i get zero difference in the heel feel but the 12eee allows me to get the v-gap closed on the bal

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Originally Posted by Grumpton View Post

I have 65 bluchers (Bradley) and balmorals (Park Ave). They both fit me the same. There is some small variation in each shoe that could account for different experiences, and all my AE shoes are shells, so I don't think they stretch like calf does.

If the shoes hurt your feet after a few wears, I'd suggest you got the wrong last. There are lasts that will always hurt my feet and I just stay away from them. One exception for me is when I get a shoe with double soles, the soles take a bit longer to get the stiffness out.

IMO if your toes hurt, you can get the shoes stretched, but get a different last next time. If your hurting around the ankles, sit in front of the television for half an hour and hand flex the rear heel of the shoes and it should feel better next wear.

IMHO

Sorry to break into your conversation. I personally have yet to find a balmoral I can even get my foot into (unless I get them crazy big) and I gave up trying to. My Leeds 8 1/2 3E hurt the right pinky quite a bit after a day's wear (though fine in the morning). It didn't get better, even when the rest of the shoe was getting noticeably more pliable. I had to stretch out the toe overnight with socks around the tree and a little piece of leather in the right spot for the pinky toe. Since then, they're perfect.

One thing I never paid attention to before was lacing. Ian's shoe lace site is really great. I always used the typical criss cross lacing and the top of my right foot always hurt when tying it tight enough to make me not slide around. Straight bar lacing however and just doing one crossing at the top (5 eyelets) and I can tie things completely shut and my foot feels great. YMMV
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It's strange: my 10.5D shell Cambridges fit me great. No pain at all. But my 10.5D PAs cut into the top of my feet, at the tongue of the shoe. Same last, different result.

But I've worn my Cambridges about 20 times now; PAs only 5 times.

I'm looking at a pair of Kenilworths, and am trying to figure out if I should stick with 10.5D

Fwiw, I'm between a 10.5C and 10.5D on Brannock

Calf fits tighter than shell, hence your experience with 10.5D Cambridge vs. PA.
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Thanks for the heads-up!
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You know, I live a ten-minute walk from there, and it is about halfway between my apartment and my girlfriend's.  I walk past that mall all the time, but never took note of the Burlington Coat Factory there.  If they stock Allen Edmonds then I'll definitely swing by a bit more often.

 

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In Atlantic Center across from the Barclays Arena. It's NO fun to shop in—but inexplicably, they every so often get a bunch of NICE AEs there. Get the 4,5,2,3,R,N,or Q train there for no more than $139.00—if they stay there long enough, they go down to about $69-$89. Third floor, go to the back of the store. It's a crappy place to shop but I've found diamonds amidst the poop. (“Poop” being gobs of awful, corrected grain Aldos and greasy-looking second-line Stacy Adams')

 

There's still a lovely pair of Aberdeens there in a 9—with a nick on the vamp, but they're distressed anyway, so it works, and a few super-large “Independence” line shoes there (Size 14-15), and even a pair of Bourbon Bleecker Streets in a 14 as well.

 

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Originally Posted by misterellington View Post
 


In Atlantic Center across from the Barclays Arena. It's NO fun to shop in—but inexplicably, they every so often get a bunch of NICE AEs there. Get the 4,5,2,3,R,N,or Q train there for no more than $139.00—if they stay there long enough, they go down to about $69-$89. Third floor, go to the back of the store. It's a crappy place to shop but I've found diamonds amidst the poop. (“Poop” being gobs of awful, corrected grain Aldos and greasy-looking second-line Stacy Adams')

 

There's still a lovely pair of Aberdeens there in a 9—with a nick on the vamp, but they're distressed anyway, so it works, and a few super-large “Independence” line shoes there (Size 14-15), and even a pair of Bourbon Bleecker Streets in a 14 as well.

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