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Did the ol' NYC Burlington trawl after the gym this afternoon. If you're in or near Brooklyn, pop into the awfulness that is the Atlantic Center mall (Okay...stop at the pretzel place on the ground floor and get the cheddar stuffed pretzels. I'm not allowed to have 'em, so i'll live vicariously through you) and go to the third floor to that Burlington Coat factory and go to the back where you'll find these...








wow, some awesome finds! May be worth the trip from Jersey...


If these are in your size range, you really should. For about $270.00 you can get a couple of pairs of FABULOUS shoes. I post these finds because I know how awesome these shoes are and these are nice finds just sitting fallow at a place few would think to look for something so nice. Not everyone can afford to drop $400.00-$650.00 for a pair of these. So imagine getting two or three pairs for the cost of ONE! smile.gif

It's also a way to "share the wealth". I've gotten some serious deals at Burlington, but I only have one pair of Size 11.5-12D feet. smile.gif Why not let others get in on the action?
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A few of my recent days on which I particularly appreciated AE.

Natural shell cordovan MacNeil:




Navy shell cordovan Dundee:



Goddamn...those Navy Shell Dundees look amazing! Drooling!
Edited by misterellington - 7/14/15 at 6:56am
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Well, I think maybe people around here go a little overboard with the disdain for black.  Certainly at least one pair of black shoes and belt are a staple of any man's wardrobe, with many good uses.  I wear my black shoes about once a week.  However, I agree with the consensus that in most situations brown is a better choice. 

 

And frankly, I find your suggestion that black is good because it is worn by "tons and tons of people" at "the mall" to be one of the most hilarious things I have seen on SF!

 

I'm pretty sure that black is the best-selling color for dress shoes overall, due to the average person's perception that it just goes with everything.  But that fact is probably partially what fuels the idea that black shoes are boring among people who take more of an active interest in fashion.

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I'm pretty sure that black is the best-selling color for dress shoes overall, due to the average person's perception that it just goes with everything.  But that fact is probably partially what fuels the idea that black shoes are boring among people who take more of an active interest in fashion.

I honestly don't get the disdain. Going overboard with ANY color can be a drudge, but I'm a believer in multiple pairs of the big four styles —captoe, wingtip, loafer and boot in the classic three colors—Black, Brown & Burgundy. Any shoe can be boring if it's styled and worn boring-ly. I've picked up three AEs in the last two months in black —the Haight Boot, Suede Graysons and a pair of Calf "Players Shoes" and quite the opposite of "boring" has been the feedback from people who've seen them...




Variety is the spice of life. And a sprinkle of Black Pepper here and there can be mighty fine! smile.gif
Edited by misterellington - 7/15/15 at 1:06am
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There are some occasions where only a black shoe will do. And when it's time to kick ass, I bust out the black Neumoras.



It's a low priority right now, but eventually id love some black shell wingtip boots.
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So apparently this happens..

Any reason they would make the inside green??
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Question regarding the Amex offer... It says $50 off a purchase of $200 or more. Interested in something at $199.99 + NY tax. Will the tax take me over the $200 and into the discount, or does the tax not factor in? Any ideas?
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Originally Posted by CGKIII View Post
 

Education has to start somewhere. When one tries to find info about AE, this thread is one of the more prominent places, and has some of the best info out there. Sure, there are a lot of questions about "Is this typical/acceptable?" because people genuinely don't know.

 

When I first stepped into an AE store I don't think I would have been able to tell you why the McAllister and MacNeil were different shoes. Now I know the lacing style differences (and many other things, but that's the big one). Months later, I would have called the McAllister and Neumok the same shoe. Now, I know the leather style difference (and many other things). Months after that, I would have called the McAllister and Jefferson the same shoe. Now, I know the wheeling and lining and details. Months later, I would have called my Brown/Walnut webgem Broadstreet a "two-toned McAllister" (because it doesn't have the wheeling like the other 3). Now, I know it's also on a different last. Even more months later, I would have called the AE tan suede Neumok and Brooks snuff suede Newmok the same shoe. Now, I know about the poron insole. Actually, I guess I'll still call it the same shoe, but when pressed I can divulge why they're different.

 

Somewhere along the line I picked up pairs of EG, G&G, and J. Fitzpatrick. Now, I can tell you why the price differences exist. But for someone who just plunked down a couple hundred bucks for their first pair of shoes and is getting over the sticker shock of $385 retail (for something they're not really sure why it costs hundreds of dollars more than their Cole Haans or Florsheims because they look exactly the same to them), yes, they're going to wonder why they're not perfect. These people have never heard of EG, G&G, Lobb, St. Crispins. They're legitimately ignorant (most of them, I imagine).

 

Does it get a little tiring saying "Yes, that's a reasonable defect. If you don't like it, return them?" Is it a little annoying to read yet another request for a fit comparison between the 5 last and <any shoe from any manufacturer>? Yeah, a bit. But who else can they turn to for (reasonably) unbiased, objective opinions? The folks making up the community here are the experts. Should some of them look back a page and see their exact question answered before and not post this time? Yeah, of course. But until we get a separate thread for that sort of thing, it'll keep happening. And that's good! More people wearing AE or better shoes rather than cheap crap seems like a good thing to me. Maybe a separate fit/nitpick thread is warranted, I don't know who makes that call. But if it gets made, will many of us even bother looking there and responding? I probably won't. And that doesn't help the new folks.

 

I think this is a well put response to @bdavro23 's well put comment.  In fact, I don't think the response can be improved on.  And I pledge to use the phrase "pure balls irony" at least once before the week is out.

 

On the subject of black shoes, I don't really detect an overall disdain for black shoes per se, but rather the situations in which some would suggest wearing black shoes.  There are some very interesting looking but very informal shoes put out by AE and - to my thinking - black would usually be a poor choice for those models.  I think most would agree that in the right circumstances, black shoes look great.  There is simply a disagreement about what those circumstances are.

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There are some occasions where only a black shoe will do. And when it's time to kick ass, I bust out the black Neumoras.



It's a low priority right now, but eventually id love some black shell wingtip boots.


Sh*tfire, but those Neumoras look great. Sleek, simple and stately. And yeah, there are indeed occasions "where only a black shoe will do". I think though, a later poster sort of hit on the "issue" just right...

Count de Monet:

I don't really detect an overall disdain for black shoes per se, but rather the situations in which some would suggest wearing black shoes.


It kind of reinforces what you pointed out—Yes, they may "go with" everything, but if something is deployed all the time, it then loses its "specialness". Some have swung the pendulum so far to the other side because of the ubiquity of black shoes that no pair seems special to them...which is sad.
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I have been coming to this thread and the MTO thread less and less lately. The MTO thread because of the obviousl lack of activity, as you might expect. This thread, however seems to have turned into a place where people with 3 posts come to show their new AEs and ask if flaws I never would have noticed are worth returning, expected better, if I pay this kind of money..., etc, etc. 

 

I'm not trying to call anyone out specifically, but it has kind of ruined this thread for me. Maybe its because the unrealistic expectations  and value for nothing mentality reminds me that craft and quality is being priced, positioned, and six sigma'd out of life. People want perfection, but they're not paying retail for it. It makes me sad. AE makes $300-$400 shoes. The lasts arent great, the leather isnt great, the construction isnt great. If those things were great, the shoes would cost twice as much.

 

I think part of it is that AE has pushed seconds as a business model and that we (this board) have consistently gotten pretty good deals on seconds with very minor flaws that we've been conditioned to expect really good from seconds and perfect from firsts.

 

Maybe I just didnt sleep well and I am grumpy, but it seems to me that this forum used to be about geeking out over shoes and clothes and now its mostly about complaining (I am aware of the pure balls irony here) and indignation. More and more, I find myself willing to pay for quality with fewer compromises. I probably wont buy many more AE shoes. Not because of the quality, their shoes are reasonably well priced for what you get, but rather because they just dont fit me very well. I guess I am just getting old and miss the good old days. Or maybe I'm just a douche...

 

+1 to you sir....

 

Look, I AM a newbie to this forum - and I AGREE 100%.  Interestingly, when I complained on here about the same thing, I suddenly received PM's from Senior Members THANKING ME for saying what they wanted to, but felt they should not.

 

Do you buy a pizza then say "this slice is not as cheesy as the last one"?....do you buy a puppy and say "that hair is not as dark as the rest of them"?. "The used car I just bought has one tail light that shines brighter than the other - should I take it back?"

 

Leather is a natural fabric - it will have natural imperfections.  Of 5 pairs of AE's I have bought in the last year, only my Daltons do not APPEAR to have obvious signs that would make them 2nds...hell, my $299 shell Westchesters barely fit - AFTER my cobbler worked on them - and came with a small roll in them already...do you think I sent them back?  HELL NO - they're still freaking beautiful shoes, especially at that price, and they still LOOK GREAT.

 

Look, I get the "education" part - and you are absolutely correct...but the benefit here is education about fit / Lasts / materials / styles, not what imperfections are acceptable...gawd, there was one poster recently with miniscule imperfections that I woulda been doing backflips over if that's all my shoes came with who just kept posting waiting for someone to justify his OCD.

 

There's just NO VALUE to be gleaned from that shite BY ANYONE here.

 

So...when did this appreciation for AE cease being about great looking + well-made shoes that would wear and last better than the scheisse that we all used to buy?

 

--They look good

--You can wear them comfortably

--You like them

 

What's the problem here?

 

Let's get back to more productive conversations - like poster's atrocious fashion sense re: suits / pants  :fence:

 

(I sell suits for a living BTW...so that one was too easy LOL)

 

every post from now on about "should I keep these" will get a response from me that says "do you like the way they look?"

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So apparently this happens..

Any reason they would make the inside green??

 

Same thing happens to me too. It should subside, in time. A bit annoying.

 

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Question regarding the Amex offer... It says $50 off a purchase of $200 or more. Interested in something at $199.99 + NY tax. Will the tax take me over the $200 and into the discount, or does the tax not factor in? Any ideas?

 

It should be fine if it's $199+tax, but if you're concerned just buy a $2 polishing cloth.

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@HealthActuary: ah sorry. Megathreads ... smile.gif

While I agree that 2nds are 2nds for a reason, I think it should be completely fine to ask whether something is a problem structurally maybe, that AE missed. I do agree though that not all posts are necessarily warranted as I would expect 2nds to have problem spots. It probably depends on the exact wording of the post(s). That said, as a long time lurker that registered yesterday to ask my first question too: @CGKIII: Amen! wink.gif

Even with google finding the right page in 2000+ long threads can be tricky. I'm definitely in the first stage CGKIII mentioned. I appreciate AE very much and it was a big step from C$60 shoes to $299 US (clearance) + shipping + tax on arrival. Even given what I wrote about stretching, I appreciate them so much that I want to know how to best buy more of them biggrin.gif
Edited by tharkun - 7/13/15 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by Count de Monet View Post
 

 

I think this is a well put response to @bdavro23 's well put comment.  In fact, I don't think the response can be improved on.  And I pledge to use the phrase "pure balls irony" at least once before the week is out.

 

On the subject of black shoes, I don't really detect an overall disdain for black shoes per se, but rather the situations in which some would suggest wearing black shoes.  There are some very interesting looking but very informal shoes put out by AE and - to my thinking - black would usually be a poor choice for those models.  I think most would agree that in the right circumstances, black shoes look great.  There is simply a disagreement about what those circumstances are.

You are absolutely right, black shoes, in the right setting can be amazing. Its just that generally you see a lot more black bicycle toe monstrosities worn with baggy pleated khakis and a polo in your office. Black shoes are meant, to my mind, to be elegant and formal. They are often misused...

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Well, I think maybe people around here go a little overboard with the disdain for black.  Certainly at least one pair of black shoes and belt are a staple of any man's wardrobe, with many good uses.  I wear my black shoes about once a week.  However, I agree with the consensus that in most situations brown is a better choice. 

And frankly, I find your suggestion that black is good because it is worn by "tons and tons of people" at "the mall" to be one of the most hilarious things I have seen on SF!

I admit, I'm not the most qualified to comment on this. Before coming to this thread I thought a shoe rotation was a pair black shoes and a pair of brown shoes, not twelve different shades of brown. shog[1].gif I don't understand the disdain for black, or why brown is almost always a better choice. It's not better for everyone, and certainly not for every situation. I have a better appreciation for the variety that exists, thanks to this thread. But, due to my complexion and hair color, my wardrobe has always leaned toward a winter pallette with little brown in it. It doesn't work for me. Lots of black, gray, navy, etc.... Black and burgundy shoes have always seemed more versatile to me in my wardrobe. Now, thanks to this thread I have several other colors in my rotation, but at least a couple of pair of black shoes will always be needed in my rotation.
Edited by 22busy - 7/13/15 at 6:18pm
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Look, I get the "education" part - and you are absolutely correct...but the benefit here is education about fit / Lasts / materials / styles, not what imperfections are acceptable...gawd, there was one poster recently with miniscule imperfections that I woulda been doing backflips over if that's all my shoes came with who just kept posting waiting for someone to justify his OCD.

 

There's just NO VALUE to be gleaned from that shite BY ANYONE here.

 

 

 

I asked about a pair before I sent them for exchange. I got some help, and some nice advice about other things, too. That's value that I gleaned. And I am most definitely someone.

 

I'd never owned AEs before, and I really didn't know where the baseline is. And, after sending back what I deemed inappropriate craftsmanship for $300 shoes, I got a pair that are just F_ing PERFECT for what they are. Having one person say "to be fair, those don't look great" puts my mind at ease. I want what I pay for, but I honestly don't want to be "that" guy, the one for whom nothing is good enough because he expects too  much.

 

I also got a sub $200 pair of seconds shoes that was damned near perfect and people put my mind at ease regarding lasts and sizing and I would have accepted a hell of a lot worse for shoes I paid half-price for. My whiny "is this ..." questions helped in BOTH cases, about bad stitching and about sizing.  And, frankly, I've tried searching for answers to similar questions and it is hard to get the specific info you want out of 62,000 posts. If I have another annoying question I can't glean from a search I'll ask again, and one of the really nice people on this forum will almost certainly answer me even if you think it's valueless shite.

 

Man I love joining a forum and a week later seeing a bunch of posts about how the community has just gone to hell in a handbasket.

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