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Quick question - considering picking up a pair of the Patriots.  How is the instep on these compared to the PAs (which is borderline too low for me).  And, how would I size on the 606 vs. the 5 last?  Thanks.


Interesting post.  For me, the instep on the PA wasn't borderline too low, it was plain too low.  After wearing them forever, they did finally break in.  I found that for 65-lasted balmorals, they almost always rub the tops of my feet raw until they finally are "good to go." Loafers are a royal pain in the you know what for me.  Much harder to get a good fit.  I have tried on a ton of loafers from AE, and the Patriot if one of the slim few that worked really well - going with my same 65-last size, they just plain worked.  Great fit, roomy toebox (but similar to the 65 last fit).  Only difference was the heel fit was quite narrow.  But awesome overall.  Hope they continue this last for some time.

 

FYI - I also found that the Presidio worked, but not as well.

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gentlemen:

after breaking in my new Daltons today, I can confidently say that the fit is way tighter (in the same size) than either:

1) Long Branch
2) Dundee
3) Shell Bradley

but calf stretches more than cowhide or shell, so I'm sure these will loosen up a bit.

great shoes, though. I can now say that I've owned all of the AE "staple" shoes: Park Ave, Strand, MacNeil, Patriot, Dalton.
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gentlemen:

 

after breaking in my new Daltons today, I can confidently say that they fit was tighter (in the same size) than either:

 

1) Long Branch

2) Dundee

3) Shell Bradley

 

but calf stretches more than cowhide or shell, so I'm sure these will loosen up a bit.

 

great shoes, though. I can now say that I've owned all of the AE "staple" shoes: Park Ave, Strand, MacNeil, Patriot, Dalton.

 

I've been very perplexed by the people who have said the Dalton an the Long Branch fit the same.  I own 2 pairs of Daltons that fit identical to each other, and a pair of Long Branch (in the same size as the Daltons) that are significantly roomier than the Daltons.

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gentlemen:

after breaking in my new Daltons today, I can confidently say that they fit was tighter (in the same size) than either:

1) Long Branch
2) Dundee
3) Shell Bradley

but calf stretches more than cowhide or shell, so I'm sure these will loosen up a bit.

great shoes, though. I can now say that I've owned all of the AE "staple" shoes: Park Ave, Strand, MacNeil, Patriot, Dalton.

I've been very perplexed by the people who have said the Dalton an the Long Branch fit the same.  I own 2 pairs of Daltons that fit identical to each other, and a pair of Long Branch (in the same size as the Daltons) that are significantly roomier than the Daltons.

No one should ever say a dalton and long branch fit the same...cause they don't and that is a fact not an opinion and I don't care what shape the person's foot is. Long branch has more volume.
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Wow, looking at that pic.. I remembered I never had such perfect laces on my feet. I was sized at AE store and SA mentioned that I have high arch and maybe that's the reason for the laces becoming V shape. Look at the PA and FA recently got. I know it gets covered by the trousers.. but what you guys think? Anyone else face this issue as well?

 

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That AE Last does not work for the shape of your feet. The V is too wide. You might want to try other Lasts or wide widths.
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That AE Last does not work for the shape of your feet. The V is too wide. You might want to try other Lasts or wide widths.

Do you or anyone know which lasts from AE is good for high instep(I think thats what its called)?

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Do you or anyone know which lasts from AE is good for high instep(I think thats what its called)?


I have a high arch and the Universities with the 333 last have been the best fit for me so far.

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I have a high arch and the Universities with the 333 last have been the best fit for me so far.


Thanks...I tried 9.5 E in 5 lasts.. so should I order 9.5 E or D in 333 last? What you think?

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Wow, looking at that pic.. I remembered I never had such perfect laces on my feet. I was sized at AE store and SA mentioned that I have high arch and maybe that's the reason for the laces becoming V shape. Look at the PA and FA recently got. I know it gets covered by the trousers.. but what you guys think? Anyone else face this issue as well?


Both look too tight on you, specifically around the ankles. Are you pinky toes hurting at all? Have you experience any discomfort walking around?
The v shape will get better over time but won't close that much. Have you try on wider width?
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Both look too tight on you, specifically around the ankles. Are you pinky toes hurting at all? Have you experience any discomfort walking around?
The v shape will get better over time but won't close that much. Have you try on wider width?


No pinky toe hurt at all. Very comfortable except the arch rise area. No, not many options on EE on Shoebank, will go and try in the store this weekend. Overall I hate to return the Black PA.. they look great and marginally better than the FA.

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Do you or anyone know which lasts from AE is good for high instep(I think thats what its called)?

 

Maxy,

 

I also have the same issue with the closed lacing and pressure across the top of the foot from a high instep. This led me to try multiple shoes and different lasts. I measure out an 10.5 EEE and thus far my best fit in AE is 11 EEE. With this as a starting point, I offer the following notes on lasts and sizes from my experience. Please also note that all of my shoes have been open lacing bluchers. This makes the fit easier and the sides more parallel, as opposed to the V shape. I also know that the closed lace is dressier, but such is life. Your mileage may vary.

 

 

234:  The lasts that fit my feet are the 234, which was used for the Regent street, which has been discontinued. The 234 is based on the 97 last used for the MacNeil.

 

97 last: Fits decently and I have tried this in the McNeil in 11, and I would try again at 10.5.

 

678:  I also can wear the 678 last used by the Bentons. Very comfortable shoes for my foot. The Benton can be more easily adjusted up or down as it allows room for an orthotic.

 

222 & 65 lasts. Not good for my shaped foot, especially closed laces. I have found the 222 used by the Williams and the 65 last used for the Jefferson to be too tight

 

201. This fits pretty well and I believe the 11 is a bit too big. I have a bit of heel slip in the 11 EEE Rogue. I would order 10.5 next time

 

108 last for the clifton fits really well. It is also a touch big at 11 and I would try a 10.5.

 

511G, used for the road warrior series. These fit pretty well, and can be more easily adjusted up or down as it allows room for an orthotic.

 

0 last. No longer used. It was used for the Riverside that is currently available through Nordstrom rack online store. The 11 was too big and the right heel slipped. The 10.5 was tried and it was too tight. Perhaps this is why the 0 last was discontinued.

 

114 last. This is used for slip on shoes. This seems a bit large in 11 EEE and I get some heel slip, but this may just be the nature of the Nashua. I have ordered another pair in 10.5 and will keep the one that fits the best.

 

I have found this a trial and error process and have kept notes and tried as many lasts as I can. Unfortunately, there is no outlet store and the nearest AE retail store is 55 miles away. I went down to specifically try on many different shoes to test the lasts, but its a smaller store and they had few 11 EEE shoes. I was only able to try on 4 shoes. I hope this helps.

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Maxy,

 

I also have the same issue with the closed lacing and pressure across the top of the foot from a high instep. This led me to try multiple shoes and different lasts. I measure out an 10.5 EEE and thus far my best fit in AE is 11 EEE. With this as a starting point, I offer the following notes on lasts and sizes from my experience. Please also note that all of my shoes have been open lacing bluchers. This makes the fit easier and the sides more parallel, as opposed to the V shape. I also know that the closed lace is dressier, but such is life. Your mileage may vary.

 

 

234:  The lasts that fit my feet are the 234, which was used for the Regent street, which has been discontinued. The 234 is based on the 97 last used for the MacNeil.

 

97 last: Fits decently and I have tried this in the McNeil in 11, and I would try again at 10.5.

 

678:  I also can wear the 678 last used by the Bentons. Very comfortable shoes for my foot. The Benton can be more easily adjusted up or down as it allows room for an orthotic.

 

222 & 65 lasts. Not good for my shaped foot, especially closed laces. I have found the 222 used by the Williams and the 65 last used for the Jefferson to be too tight

 

201. This fits pretty well and I believe the 11 is a bit too big. I have a bit of heel slip in the 11 EEE Rogue. I would order 10.5 next time

 

108 last for the clifton fits really well. It is also a touch big at 11 and I would try a 10.5.

 

511G, used for the road warrior series. These fit pretty well, and can be more easily adjusted up or down as it allows room for an orthotic.

 

0 last. No longer used. It was used for the Riverside that is currently available through Nordstrom rack online store. The 11 was too big and the right heel slipped. The 10.5 was tried and it was too tight. Perhaps this is why the 0 last was discontinued.

 

114 last. This is used for slip on shoes. This seems a bit large in 11 EEE and I get some heel slip, but this may just be the nature of the Nashua. I have ordered another pair in 10.5 and will keep the one that fits the best.

 

I have found this a trial and error process and have kept notes and tried as many lasts as I can. Unfortunately, there is no outlet store and the nearest AE retail store is 55 miles away. I went down to specifically try on many different shoes to test the lasts, but its a smaller store and they had few 11 EEE shoes. I was only able to try on 4 shoes. I hope this helps.


Thanks, really helpful. You know the issue is when I tried to measure my foot at AE store, it measures 10D. I pretty much wear 10D in every other shoe outside AE. Then, SA suggested that as I have high arch, I should try 9.5 E and then it fitted very well. I didn't observe the lacing in the store and only today I started noticing it. Too bad, looks like now I will end up returning them. 

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Hi, I'm new here and this is my first post ever, but I occasionally check out threads to get background information before making purchases. Allen Edmonds just sent me an email that they are having a clearance on their factory seconds, I need a pair of dress shoes and found a pair of rogues for $199. Is that a good value for factory seconds? I know that Allen Edmonds is a bit higher in quality than what my current budget was allowing for, but I'm unsure what the value of the factory seconds are. 

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Wow, looking at that pic.. I remembered I never had such perfect laces on my feet. I was sized at AE store and SA mentioned that I have high arch and maybe that's the reason for the laces becoming V shape. Look at the PA and FA recently got. I know it gets covered by the trousers.. but what you guys think? Anyone else face this issue as well?


If that's an E I suggest to go up to EEE and go a half size down. That's should reduce the vgap a bit.
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